List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Bender_]

Why are we playing games with this arrogant glasses campaigner.

We've made an offer, it's more than a reasonable one for a regular concussion risk, take it or **** off c*nt. You've already announced Starcevich is going, so if the trade period comes and goes we'll take him in the PSD.

Don't even get me started on this Kent with Oscar Allen. Had the best part of 9 months to have the contract sorted, and now suddenly it's ducks and drake's holding up the paperwork despite you just clearly saying "Oscar Allen is our number one priority.."

Clearly not priority enough, f*ckwit.

Poindexter has never done a set on his traps in his life. Bet he road cycles too.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Poindexter has never done a set on his traps in his life. Bet he road cycles too.

Recumbent bicycle, the alpha nerd activity.

 

[No Hassle Hough]

WRT to the Allen FA Contract, surely he and his management have agreed to terms (both years and dollars).

This contract either qualifies as Band 1 or not.

Brisbane can't suddenly say to OA "we are going to decrease your offer by 100k pa" and expect him to sign that.

 

[eaglevision]

WRT to the Allen FA Contract, surely he and his management have agreed to terms (both years and dollars).

This contract either qualifies as Band 1 or not.

Brisbane can't suddenly say to OA "we are going to decrease your offer by 100k pa" and expect him to sign that.

Agreed. Very happy to let FA deadline lapse, Lions won’t walk it back. Oscar would have told WCE what the deal is and we’d know whether it’s band 1 or not.

 

[eaglevision]

I didn’t hate the way he handled that interview.

As for the poindexter with the phosphorescent teeth, he can **** right off.

 

[CountryLad]

Pick 16 & 23 to Freo

Pick 12 & 33 to Eagles.

Freo will want to shift pick 12 to get the McVee trade done. We shift pick 16 away from the Lions.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Poindexter has never done a set on his traps in his life. Bet he road cycles too.

Thin wrists, low testosterone.

 

[Couchpotato]

Agreed. Very happy to let FA deadline lapse, Lions won’t walk it back. Oscar would have told WCE what the deal is and we’d know whether it’s band 1 or not.

It is rather odd to imply you have any leverage under the RFA system... Imagine your employer changing your salary on you just before you sign just because it helps them with some other negotiation for an exiting staff member.

If we match OA bid and Brisbane have to trade, then we will be better off with pick 19 than their 'threat' of a band 2 compo which will be pick 20 at best.

If we 'have to' get Starc through FA then we probably move pick 2 to pick 20. Or we keep OA and get Starc through FA for nothing.

No matter how you cut this, any perceived leverage of Brisbane's is fairly limited...

 

[Obeanie1]

I know I made this argument with Petch, but if people can't see Brockman's potential value to this side (especially as the midfield develops) then they're insane.

I think Mini erred not giving him more time in the midfield as the season progressed.

He looked good in there late in quarters to add some pace around clearances.

I recalled he did get more opportunities late in the season.

Anyway he has shown he has the tools to rotate through the centre square set up for sure.

 

[eaglevision]

Pick 16 & 23 to Freo

Pick 12 & 33 to Eagles.

Freo will want to shift pick 12 to get the McVee trade done. We shift pick 16 away from the Lions.

In theory very good but we lose points for what we ultimately want to trade to GCS.

23 and 38 to Crows for 16 (after OA compo) would be better.

Leaves Crows 23 to give for Ah Chee and 24 for us to give for Starcevich.

Send 16,17 to GCS for 7 and no bids.

 

[TheBudgies]

He looked good in there late in quarters to add some pace around clearances.

I recalled he did get more opportunities late in the season.

Anyway he has shown he has the tools to rotate through the centre square set up for sure.

It was more middle if the year he got CBAs. Kind of offset with Kelly a little in that his numbers tailed off when Kellys went up at the back end of the season.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Brockman is a fantastic player, just needs a bit more consistency. He's worth way more than Ryan to us in this stage of our rebuild. He's 22 years old and has played 53 games.

 

[Farmer Lister]

That was a much more comprehensive chat with Clarke and puts the chat with Cal in context a lot more than the clipped bites by them.

Wow that brizkent manager is a real smug prick isn't he?

 

[Dylan82]

To be honest, I'm f**ked right off about the whole situation.


What would B.Starcevich be worth alone as a free agent?

A four year contract for J.Worpel (same age, more matches) only managed end-of-second-round compensation.
That's currently pick 42 - and it will continue to slide down.

The contract offer on J.Worpel is believed to be 4 years averaging around the $600k mark.


Is B.Starcevich worth significantly more than that from a contractual basis, given he missed 3 months of this year through concussion, and may be just one bump away from forced retirement?

He is not even a midfielder - why on earth would the club consider trading away the type of pick that could could be used to make a genuine difference in the middle on another back flanker?


We have pick 37, offer that and nothing more. If Brisbane don't like it, call Sydney, Geelong and Collingwood - I'm sure they have a good amount of interest in O.Allen that would still deliver pick 2. Heck, tell Carlton they can take O.Allen, move on C.Curnow for picks and then have the currency for swings at C.Oliver or Z.Merrett.


I'm sick to death of the being friendly, good-relations shit that gets served up every year. The club has won just 11 times from the last 85 matches - it has no friends. The rest of the competition isn't handing up any feel-good offers now because of how the Eagles have been such great trading partners over the years, it's trying to pick away what it can and capitalise on the club's unfortunate position.

Brisbane already have enough falling their way through the ridiculous bidding system that has allowed them to build a dynasty through father/son and academy in a way that clubs like our own never can. D.Annable will become their third top 5 pick in the last four years - during a period where they also traded out first round picks to bring in J.Dunkley.

By comparison, H.Reid remains the only top 5 pick West Coast has had since A.Gaff in 2010.

The absurdity of back-to-back premiers taking the captain of the wooden spooners through free agency seems to be lost throughout current media discussions. It is an open demonstration of how broken the current system is.



As for T.Young, he is not even on Richmond's main list. Offering pick 56 would be generous for a rookie-listed player coming out of contract that has flagged their public intention to move on.

 

[beagles]

Anything from the AFL on the revised 2026 draft rules for matching FS and Academy bids yet?

Thought they would have been announced before start of trade week. I have not seen any details.

 

[Scotland]

I used to feel sorry for Brisbane during the mid 2000s to mid 2010s. Ordinary on field, stale off it, players leaving, AFL focused on the new shiny thing in Qld to their detriment.

Could not GAF now. Like watching their team play but the entitlement has reached Geelong proportions.

Not content with getting Allen (band 1/2) and Draper (band 2) for free and having a top 10 academy player they can draft for cents on the dollar, they want pick 16 for an out of contract player who if he left in free agency would net them precisely nothing.

 

[RookiePick]

Why are we playing games with this arrogant glasses campaigner.

We've made an offer, it's more than a reasonable one for a regular concussion risk, take it or **** off c*nt. You've already announced Starcevich is going, so if the trade period comes and goes we'll take him in the PSD.

Don't even get me started on this Kent with Oscar Allen. Had the best part of 9 months to have the contract sorted, and now suddenly it's ducks and drake's holding up the paperwork despite you just clearly saying "Oscar Allen is our number one priority.."

Clearly not priority enough, f*ckwit.

This kind of negotiation reminds me a lot of two lanes merging into one with a car in each lane.

Brisbane is the nice, late model Mercedes driven by a well to do, successful businessman. He believes he's entitled to the right of way.

We're the VP Commodore, bald tires and pursuit rims. Half rusted out and still not repaired after the 2010 hailstorm.

Time for Clarke to say, "toot-toot mfer" and see who flinches.

 

[JackOutback]

To be honest, I'm f**ked right off about the whole situation.


What would B.Starcevich be worth alone as a free agent?

A four year contract for J.Worpel (same age, more matches) only managed end-of-second-round compensation.
That's currently pick 42 - and it will continue to slide down.

The contract offer on J.Worpel is believed to be 4 years averaging around the $600k mark.


Is B.Starcevich worth significantly more than that from a contractual basis, given he missed 3 months of this year through concussion, and may be just one bump away from forced retirement?

He is not even a midfielder - why on earth would the club consider trading away the type of pick that could could be used to make a genuine difference in the middle on another back flanker?


We have pick 37, offer that and nothing more. If Brisbane don't like it, call Sydney, Geelong and Collingwood - I'm sure they have a good amount of interest in O.Allen that would still deliver pick 2. Heck, tell Carlton they can take O.Allen, move on C.Curnow for picks and then have the currency for swings at C.Oliver or Z.Merrett.


I'm sick to death of the being friendly, good-relations shit that gets served up every year. The club has won just 11 times from the last 85 matches - it has no friends. The rest of the competition isn't handing up any feel-good offers now because of how the Eagles have been such great trading partners over the years, it's trying to pick away what it can and capitalise on the club's unfortunate position.

Brisbane already have enough falling their way through the ridiculous bidding system that has allowed them to build a dynasty through father/son and academy in a way that clubs like our own never can. D.Annable will become their third top 5 pick in the last four years - during a period where they also traded out first round picks to bring in J.Dunkley.

By comparison, H.Reid remains the only top 5 pick West Coast has had since A.Gaff in 2010.

The absurdity of back-to-back premiers taking the captain of the wooden spooners through free agency seems to be lost throughout current media discussions. It is an open demonstration of how broken the current system is.



As for T.Young, he is not even on Richmond's main list. Offering pick 56 would be generous for a rookie-listed player coming out of contract that has flagged their public intention to move on.

I want the best deal possible as well, but Starc is being offered more money and more years, by all reports. So it's apples and oranges. Pick 37 is not fair value but hopefully we play hardball and don't give up more than a pick in the 20s.

 

[WCE777]

Wow that brizkent manager is a real smug prick isn't he?

Got a right to be fairly confident in his abilities, have a look at their list!!
That said I thought he was just doing what list managers should, try and get the best deal they can for the club.

 

[Shueygod]

If WC were to match a FA offer of Allen are they then allowed to pay some of his contract if a trade were to occur?

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

To be honest, I'm f**ked right off about the whole situation.


What would B.Starcevich be worth alone as a free agent?

A four year contract for J.Worpel (same age, more matches) only managed end-of-second-round compensation.
That's currently pick 42 - and it will continue to slide down.

The contract offer on J.Worpel is believed to be 4 years averaging around the $600k mark.


Is B.Starcevich worth significantly more than that from a contractual basis, given he missed 3 months of this year through concussion, and may be just one bump away from forced retirement?

He is not even a midfielder - why on earth would the club consider trading away the type of pick that could could be used to make a genuine difference in the middle on another back flanker?


We have pick 37, offer that and nothing more. If Brisbane don't like it, call Sydney, Geelong and Collingwood - I'm sure they have a good amount of interest in O.Allen that would still deliver pick 2. Heck, tell Carlton they can take O.Allen, move on C.Curnow for picks and then have the currency for swings at C.Oliver or Z.Merrett.


I'm sick to death of the being friendly, good-relations shit that gets served up every year. The club has won just 11 times from the last 85 matches - it has no friends. The rest of the competition isn't handing up any feel-good offers now because of how the Eagles have been such great trading partners over the years, it's trying to pick away what it can and capitalise on the club's unfortunate position.

Brisbane already have enough falling their way through the ridiculous bidding system that has allowed them to build a dynasty through father/son and academy in a way that clubs like our own never can. D.Annable will become their third top 5 pick in the last four years - during a period where they also traded out first round picks to bring in J.Dunkley.

By comparison, H.Reid remains the only top 5 pick West Coast has had since A.Gaff in 2010.

The absurdity of back-to-back premiers taking the captain of the wooden spooners through free agency seems to be lost throughout current media discussions. It is an open demonstration of how broken the current system is.



As for T.Young, he is not even on Richmond's main list. Offering pick 56 would be generous for a rookie-listed player coming out of contract that has flagged their public intention to move on.

Given that FA compensation is calculated solely on guaranteed money and years, he might even be lower than band 4. Would imagine given his concussion history that there's a lot of incentives and conditional money in the proposed contract.

 

[Hasselhough]

Brisbane list manager acting very arrogant here

They have just won 2 premierships in a row I'm not surprised

 

[Scotland]

We have pick 37, offer that and nothing more. If Brisbane don't like it, call Sydney, Geelong and Collingwood - I'm sure they have a good amount of interest in O.Allen that would still deliver pick 2. Heck, tell Carlton they can take O.Allen, move on C.Curnow for picks and then have the currency for swings at C.Oliver or Z.Merrett.

This. Sydney, Gold Coast and Geelong are all into Curnow.

If Brisbane want to **** around then I would happily let Allen go to another club. There is a very real scenario where Brisbane end up getting nothing for Starcevish and not signing Allen.

 

[RookiePick]

This. Sydney, Gold Coast and Geelong are all into Curnow.

If Brisbane want to **** around then I would happily let Allen go to another club. There is a very real scenario where Brisbane end up getting nothing for Starcevish and not signing Allen.

...and it actually would make zero difference to Brisbanes prospects of going deep again for the next several years.

They are stacked.

 

[TwoStriders]

Some math on a possible Gold Coast points trade. I'm working on the assumption that Allen nets up Pick 2 and that Gold Coast trade Flanders for pick 7 (8 after Allen compo) and this is on-traded for Petracca.

Bids on Uwland and Patterson at 2 and 4 respectively will cost 3,999 points (with the discount applied).

Gold Coast’s draft hand would be:
7 – 1543 points
15 – 973 points
18 – 836 points
36 – 317 points
Total – 3,669

Leaving them with a shortfall of 330 points to match those bids.

They will probably pick up some extra points from Fiorini, Rosas, maybe Ainsworth etc. but there will still likely be a decent gap left to cover.

I haven’t completely crunched the numbers, but it does look like we are one of if not the only organisation with the picks to be able to offer a package for pick 7 that would provide a surplus in points.

Two fairly simple options below:
7 and 36 (1,860) for 17, 23 and 24 (2,153) – surplus of +293 points.
7 (1543) for 17, 23 and 38 (2,029) – surplus of +266.

If we lose 17… and honestly, if we lose 23… in the Starcevich trade, it becomes way harder to make a move like this work.

Crunching more pick points... the Carlton situation is a little different to Gold Coast.

As it sits now, they don’t actually have a shortfall. They can cover a Dean bid (at around pick 7 or 8) with pick 10 due to the 10% discount. And they'd still retain the Silvagni compo pick.

I think the motive for them to trade pick 10 would be to get points in next year’s draft for Walker, while also retaining enough to match Dean this year. Something like 23 + F2 + Chesser for 10 does actually work for this, but it feels light IMO.

There are also moving parts with Curnow. If they get the Swans pick 11, then it would make more sense to try and trade pick 10 outright for a future first (which will be more handy to cover a Walker bid).

Then 11 can outright eat a Dean bid, or they can split it for points while trying to get a little something extra.

Something like:

• 10 for a F1 from someone.

Then do either:

• 11 for 23, 24 and F2 or
• 11 for 17, 38, Chesser and F2

Would give them the points for Dean, plus an F1 and F2 to help with Walker.