List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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Current contract status (Updated 31/10/25) : Total 38 Players - Main List (33) Rookie List (4) Cat B (1) Contracted to 2029 (4) : Jake Waterman (6/5/98) - Signed a 4 year extension (2026-29) on an existing contract due to expire 2025 in October 2024 Liam Baker (27/1/98) - Signed a 5 year...

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Tsatas reminds me of Polec. Would anyone like to draft Jared Polec at pick 1?

I wanted Polec over Gaff so take whatever I say with a massive grain of salt cos I don't watch any of these U18 games, I just go by articles like the one posted, YouTube highlights, and feed off BigFooty melts when we don't draft the board's flavour of the month.

 

[briztoon]

I have done it from the cut off age for players turning 29 as we have a lot turning 30 this year and they include McGovern, Gaff, Darling and Cripps as I cannot see any of them being around for our next flag

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I have then done another line up - best line for those turning 22 this year and younger

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Witherden and SPS are only 24, and Allen, Petruccelle and Naish are 23. I don’t know about the others off the top of my head. But for the purposes of this exercise, we’re talking about 2014 draftees (if drafted at 18), or previous draftees.

I’d put Chesser on a wing until he proves he can play through the midfield.

I believe you have some building blocks, but they are mostly players who would be very good role players, if they were in a good team.

Some are still young and have time to improve.

We’ve seen it with Ah Chee this year at our club. A 2015 draftee with talent, but he’s only now showing the consistency and physical maturity that has enabled him to lock down a best 22 spot.

 

[briztoon]

The Florenca in the mid season draft talk confuses me, because your website already has him listed as a WC player.

 

[briztoon]

hey briztoon
If West Coast hold pick 1, I am sure there can be a suitable price negotiated for the sale of the Lion's round 1 pick that includes a discount for agreeing not to call out Ashcroft at pick 1. There is nearly a 400 points differential between being called out at 1 (20% discount in 2,400) v 2 (20% discount in 2,014).

Assuming Lions make minimum Preliminary Final, you will have pick 15 (points equivalent of 1,112)

Our current picks are 1, 19, 26 and 37. Pick 26 is worth 729 points and 37 is worth 483 for a total of 1,212. Add in the saving of not bidding at Pick 1 or 386, we could do a suitable deal. We or you could happily get a points premium with pick 26 and to a lesser extent with 37. I am sure the Suns, Pies or Cats sitting with loads of picks in the 40's and 50's would be willing buyers of an upgrade to 26.

Fair and legal? I think so. Is it what the AFL intended. I don't care. You know from how we went with Sydney and hid their pick, we can be trusted at the draft table.

All I’ll say is we can only take 5 picks to the draft. We have our own first round pick, second round pick and Ports third round pick, and our forth round pick.

What ever deal we make, has get us to 2765 points or better for our 5 combined picks.

Or the equivalent picks 31 to 35.

That allows us to match bids at pick 2 and pick 19 on our two father son kids.

Any clubs with picks directly behind our 5 picks have to understand those picks aren’t going to be used in the open draft, and everyone will move up 3 picks.

 

[briztoon]

Fast and outside, good kick in general play but not a good kick at speed which is his biggest strength. I think he'll be found out at the top tier and is at best in the 6-10 bracket of the draft.

If Wardlaw was a few cm taller and was getting 5 more disposals a game then yes he would be right there with Ashcroft at the top of the draft however as far as im concerned a 20 disposal player at juniors even if 50% are contested and with great athleticism isn't a number 1 pick or talent. Lets see what happens at the champs when he's playing against guys who have similar levels of size and strength. If he continues to improve and puts up big numbers there, then sure he is in that conversation.

Tsatas reminds me of Polec. Would anyone like to draft Jared Polec at pick 1?

Pretty sure from what I’ve read, Wardlaw has been playing either sick or injured, and has played a fair bit up forward as a result, and not in the guts.

Also, Wardlaw is physically taller and broader than Ashcroft.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The Florenca in the mid season draft talk confuses me, because your website already has him listed as a WC player.

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Florenca is a Covid top up player and as such is listed on our web site as is Ainsworth, Giro, etc. He can only play when we are impacted by injury and covid protocols. He will not stay on the list unless we wanted to draft him more permanently in the mid season draft

 

[WCErevival]

The Florenca in the mid season draft talk confuses me, because your website already has him listed as a WC player.

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I wouldn't use our website as any sort of guide. It's always a shambles. One of the other top ups was on there the other day and seems to have disappeared. Sheppard is still visible.

 

[RanaNaved]

I'm not saying they won't be drafted top 5 but I don't have them in the top 5 talents.

If you don't me asking, who do you think are better at this point?

 

[RanaNaved]

Pretty sure from what I’ve read, Wardlaw has been playing either sick or injured, and has played a fair bit up forward as a result, and not in the guts.

Also, Wardlaw is physically taller and broader than Ashcroft.

This is correct. He was really struggling physically against Eastern Ranges (iirc) a few weeks back.

 

[shooshka]

I wouldn't use our website as any sort of guide. It's always a shambles. One of the other top ups was on there the other day and seems to have disappeared. Sheppard is still visible.

Shep is still technically on our list isn't he, as he retired after list lodgment (obviously can't play due to retirement, but is still a listed player who will come off the list at the end of this season)?

But yeah, top ups are being listed as our players - not quite right.

 

[Chump Change]

That allows us to match bids at pick 2 and pick 19 on our two father son kids.

who is the other one?

 

[shooshka]

I'm not saying they won't be drafted top 5 but I don't have them in the top 5 talents.

You see, now I'm not sure if you just have a different ranking of talent to others, or are taking a board meme to the next level.

 

[RanaNaved]

Fast and outside, good kick in general play but not a good kick at speed which is his biggest strength. I think he'll be found out at the top tier and is at best in the 6-10 bracket of the draft.

If Wardlaw was a few cm taller and was getting 5 more disposals a game then yes he would be right there with Ashcroft at the top of the draft however as far as im concerned a 20 disposal player at juniors even if 50% are contested and with great athleticism isn't a number 1 pick or talent. Lets see what happens at the champs when he's playing against guys who have similar levels of size and strength. If he continues to improve and puts up big numbers there, then sure he is in that conversation.

Tsatas reminds me of Polec. Would anyone like to draft Jared Polec at pick 1?

Tsatas is averaging 6 clearances a game, he's not as outside as you might think. He's also going to be a fair bit bigger than Polec and is a better athlete.

Context is important when looking at Wardlaws' possession average. As briztoon mentioned he's been ill, and it noticeably impacted him in two games. Spent plenty of time on the bench and forward, and was lacking his usual energy on field.

 

[Monocle]

You see, now I'm not sure if you just have a different ranking of talent to others, or are taking a board meme to the next level.

Hope he has a different ranking.

To much “group think”on the main stream talent assessment boards.

Also way to early to have the top order fully assessed.
Kids grow, kids develop and kids we haven’t seen year due to school football.
Additionally some bolters will emerge this year because due to Covid we have neither heard of them or seen them yet.

After the championships some sort of pecking order will emerge.
Until then, you may just as well be throwing darts at the board.

 

[RanaNaved]

Group think is generally more reliable than contrarian think imo.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

After the championships some sort of pecking order will emerge.
Until then, you may just as well be throwing darts at the board.

And then just draft the injured half back flanker anyway

 

[Goldfish]

Group think is generally more reliable than contrarian think imo.

Have you even read 1984?

 

[BigVic]

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is averaging 5 goals at West Adelaide and is from South Australia like legend Shannon Hurn

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. Keep an eye on him.

 

[briztoon]

Anyone know when the deadline for F/S nom is?

Our would our club be meeting with him and telling that every decent Eagles player wins a flag? If Brisbane don't win one in the first couple of seasons (assuming he can get a game), it's a long wait.

Ummm, Hipwood and Ah Chee are 25, McCluggage and Berry 24, Rayner, Bailey and Starcevich 23, Answerth and Coleman 22, Robertson and Prior are 21.

Then we still have a few 2020 and 2021 draftees that performing well at VFL level, developing nicely.

We’ll potentially add two father sons this year, one very highly rated, the other is regarded as a top 25, borderline first round talent.

Then there’s young Levi Ashcroft coming through in the 2024 draft. He’s more inside bull than his brother. Video on second page of the Instagram link.

Best chance for the Ashcroft brothers to play together is to both nominate Brisbane.

And we’ve got two 16 year old academy key forwards already playing QAFL footy for the 2024 draft as well.

I believe we’ll be right for a while.

 

[RanaNaved]

Have you even read 1984?

Join us....

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Ummm, Hipwood and Ah Chee are 25, McCluggage and Berry 24, Rayner, Bailey and Starcevich 23, Answerth and Coleman 22, Robertson and Prior are 21.

Then we still have a few 2020 and 2021 draftees that performing well at VFL level, developing nicely.

We’ll potentially add two father sons this year, one very highly rated, the other is regarded as a top 25, borderline first round talent.

Then there’s young Levi Ashcroft coming through in the 2024 draft. He’s more inside bull than his brother.

And we’ve got two 16 year old academy key forwards already playing QAFL footy for the 2024 draft as well.

I believe we’ll be right for a while.

Yeah, well we brought Ainsworth back so shove that up your arse

 

[Dark Sharks]

Ummm, Hipwood and Ah Chee are 25, McCluggage and Berry 24, Rayner, Bailey and Starcevich 23, Answerth and Coleman 22, Robertson and Prior are 21.

Then we still have a few 2020 and 2021 draftees that performing well at VFL level, developing nicely.

We’ll potentially add two father sons this year, one very highly rated, the other is regarded as a top 25, borderline first round talent.

Then there’s young Levi Ashcroft coming through in the 2024 draft. He’s more inside bull than his brother. Video on second page of the Instagram link.

Best chance for the Ashcroft brothers to play together is to both nominate Brisbane.

And we’ve got two 16 year old academy key forwards already playing QAFL footy for the 2024 draft as well.

I believe we’ll be right for a while.

Yeah, well we've got this gun kid in our NGA and probably haven't even lodged the paperwork to get him!

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I quickly pulled a few of Jai Culleys highlights for you all.
Number 17 on red team, these are only ones I had time to find, there were many many more...

 

[ziad]

Yeah, well we've got this gun kid in our NGA and probably haven't even lodged the paperwork to get him!


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thats our management style

 

[Monocle]

Group think is generally more reliable than contrarian think imo.

Maybe but other opinions also prompt you to look closer than you previously had and review want you may have missed.


That said the majority of the group think emanates out of Victoria, where the guys , not only swap notes, but also meet up regularly at VIC games and there vision of interstate games is mostly on TV.
As I am sure you appreciate, you can only garner a certain amount, with out watching kids live and see what they do off the ball and better assess their running patterns.

By way of example- I for one appreciate Knightmares work because he calls it as he sees it and whilst I don’t always agree with his rankings, I do appreciate the reasoning that he gives behind his ratings and rankings.

If you know some of the coaches at Club level and school level, you also get input into what Club Recruiters are asking and saying about players.
From my experience working in the system, when talking with the AFL Club recruiters they tend to ask you a lot of questions about the oppositions that you coach against.
They ask more personality / temperament coach ability type question about the kids you coach.
You would be very surprised by some of the questions that recruiters ask you about certain players.
Coaches generally have a good idea who are on recruiters radars.

Having worked in the VIC system, I know just how incestuous it is.

Group thinks boards always change dramatically after they get the list of Combine Invitees.
Because, by virtue of the fact, that in order to get an invite you need to be nominated by a certain amount of Clubs, who’s intel is far more expansive, than just football teams that play predominantly in a district that has a post code that starts with a 3 .

There are several really insightful SA talent assessor’s on BF and I rate and rank their work as top quality and far more expansive than the main stream Victorian group think.

The draft guru Cal, is not particularly good himself at talent identification, however he excels at being well connected with those that are and the Club recruiters, consequently his intel is general on the money.
He also has insider information as to who has or has not been invited to the Draft Night, much earlier than the masses.
Funny about that how the AFL always seem to have the top 10 draftees there for the group picture every draft night…. Who would have thought that, what are the chances

It’s all part on the jig saw puzzle of recruiting.

Case in point , in the lead up to the 2016 draft. Up until about a month before the draft Tim Toronto and Oliver Florant we’re seen by the group think as mid to late second rounders , Oliver was actually seen by most as a third rounder.
It wasn’t till the info got out as to how many Clubs had wanted them both at the Draft Camp ( as it was called then ) , that the group think started placing them higher on their draft boards.

So whilst your initial comment about group think being more reliable, has some merit diversity of opinions in talent ranking is also valuable.