Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[backtozero]

We're not in Israel. You can change your pants. Stop shitting the bed.

It's also no secret that the very vulnerable sections of the community will be strongly encouraged to continue to receive booster shots for the foreseeable future. Is this news to you?

You'll change your tune and act like a 4th shot was all part of the plan soon enough.

 

[wallumi]

Except antibiotics work differently to vaccines so it's not really comparable is it

Specifically it's not comparable. Conceptually it is. The current data on Covid19 immunity Vax vs infection makes the basis of this relationship quite evident.

In the context of Covid we also witness the typical approach of relying on a (highly profitable) silver bullet drug, whilst making no notable effort to address the co-morbidity casual factors or the socio-economic factors underlying the main infection vector and death cohorts. Most people seem completely happy to preserve the causal pig and just mandate intravenous application of expensive lipstick.

 

[PAFC66]

You'll change your tune and act like a 4th shot was all part of the plan soon enough.

Ah booster shots were always foreseeable from the moment these were released.

 

[Papa G]

We're already seeing the triple jabbers turning on the double jabbers. It's gonna be fun watching the quadruple jabbers turn on the hesitant antivaxxer triple jabbers for putting society at risk.

 

[Lagooner]

Flu shots aren't mandatory. Becoming pincushion is a personal choice. Mandating what amounts to a speculative, highly invasive exercise is an entirely different thing. The lack of comparative context your response exhibits is quite... *goes directly applicable descriptor* ...bewildering.

Jesus. For the zillionth time since March 2020, covid poses a bigger threat than the flu ergo the management is different. It’s one thing to use big words like “comparative context” but another to actually understand what they mean.

Highly invasive? Seriously what are you on about? You don’t have to get vaxxed with a 10 inch needle up your arse ffs. It is in no way any more invasive than the flu shot or any other vaccination for that matter.

Stop talking garbage.

 

[Contested Marx]

Specifically it's not comparable. Conceptually it is. The current data on Covid19 immunity Vax vs infection makes the basis of this relationship quite evident.

In the context of Covid we also witness the typical approach of relying on a (highly profitable) silver bullet drug, whilst making no notable effort to address the co-morbidity casual factors or the socio-economic factors underlying the main infection vector and death cohorts. Most people seem completely happy to preserve the causal pig and just mandate intravenous application of expensive lipstick.

Pray tell how would you suggest they address the co-morbidity casual factors?

 

[wallumi]

Flu jabs aren't mrna vaccines with absolutely zero data as to long term health effects. Flu jabs don't cause side effects like inflammation of the heart tissue.

They also aren't required for a person to be employed or just generally exist in society.

A couple of small details.

Those equating flu boosters to the Covid situation only demonstrate their complete lack of understanding of what's gong on. They survive this ignorance by their mob attack on the subject.

As regards deletion from society, the Qld Premier announced today that from Dec. 17 those without double vaccination will not be able to access health care services. I guess that means doctors, dentists, skin cancer checks, etc.

This removal of care is to enforce the application of a product that the latest data shows to be ineffective after just 3-6 months. From there the strategy will rely on people being willing to continue accepting anything the program mandates to patch over the emerging holes.

Talk about loading all the eggs into one bizarrely narrow strategic basket and then forcing everyone to paddle toward evidently troubled waters. Yep, we're all in this together.

 

[wallumi]

They are for some.

So that's justification for expanding to a universal mandate?
Do you think at all or do you just get urges to write stuff?

 

[Papa G]

5 million deaths, in a world population of more than 8 Billion, most of which occured pre vaccination, 93% of deaths occur in the over 50s, 75% of deaths for those over 65.

 

[wallumi]

That's an 'or', not an 'and'.

If you don't want to live in a world of face masks, limits on association, movement tracking and restrictions, and social distancing, then there are only two ways of achieving that. One is continuing to let millions of people die of a preventable disease, the other is mandating that people spend ten minutes at the doctor once every 6 months or so if they want to be able to fully participate in society. For a sociopath like yourself I understand that might be a tough choice, but for most of us it's pretty simple.

Where is the evidence that masks and contact tracing go away after vaccination? Even after on-going vaccination?

Israel now requires a third shot for vaccine passport validation whilst masks and contact tracing remain in place.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Pray tell how would you suggest they address the co-morbidity casual factors?

I think he means that instead of vaccines during a raging pandemic governments immediate find miracle cures for those immunocompromised, a dietary program to help the morbidly obese lose 200kg over the next two years and also reverse their diabetes whilst hiding them away somewhere to avoid the circulating virus whilst immediately building for them and the poor new spacious dwellings, properly ventilated to address overcrowding, oh and fix poverty .
Could work.

 

[PortWTF]

As regards deletion from society, the Qld Premier announced today that from Dec. 17 those without double vaccination will not be able to access health care services. I guess that means doctors, dentists, skin cancer checks, etc.

No she didn't.

"Anyone needing hospital care or health treatment, whether they are vaccinated or not, will still have full access to our health services," Yvette D'Ath says.
"This is about visitors coming in."

 

[OneGreatClub]

No she didn't.

"Anyone needing hospital care or health treatment, whether they are vaccinated or not, will still have full access to our health services," Yvette D'Ath says.
"This is about visitors coming in."

So Walluminati isn’t quite as all knowing as he purports to be…shocked

 

[wallumi]

Someone really does need to do a PhD on the observed phenomenon that (ironically) as your IQ goes down, your need to share your own personal scientific opinions goes up.

This thread would be a rich source of study material.

Why don't you do it? I'm sure the result would be hilarious. A self-evidencing paper. Might start a whole new trend.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I was never a fan of Keating but he was impressive and knowledgeable.
Morrison’s area of expertise likely lies in his laying on of hands.

 

[backtozero]

I think he means that instead of vaccines during a raging pandemic governments immediate find miracle cures for those immunocompromised, a dietary program to help the morbidly obese lose 200kg over the next two years and also reverse their diabetes whilst hiding them away somewhere to avoid the circulating virus whilst immediately building for them and the poor new spacious dwellings, properly ventilated to address overcrowding, oh and fix poverty .
Could work.

Inoculate the world to save the 200 kilo folks.

 

[wallumi]

No she didn't.

"Anyone needing hospital care or health treatment, whether they are vaccinated or not, will still have full access to our health services," Yvette D'Ath says.
"This is about visitors coming in."

You're right. I just checked the statement in its written form. However the verbal announcement of it was not so clearly delimited. This 'overstatement' was a complete announcement and not due to news editing. Was this clumsy, an action intended to gauge a reaction, a massaging technique?

Whichever, it illustrates an essential problem within the social warfare strategy that is being crudely and conveniently implemented. Social and political trust is being destroyed. A lot of this has nothing to do with 'conspiracy'. It stems directly from the generally dismal quality of our elected 'leaders'.

 

[OneGreatClub]

We have a choice.
Woolies for me.

 

[OneGreatClub]

You're right. I just checked the statement in its written form. However the verbal announcement of it was not so clearly delimited. This 'overstatement' was a complete announcement and not due to news editing. Was this clumsy, an action intended to gauge a reaction, a massaging technique?

Whichever, it illustrates an essential problem within the social warfare strategy that is being crudely and conveniently implemented. Social and political trust is being destroyed. A lot of this has nothing to do with 'conspiracy'. It stems directly from the generally dismal quality of our elected 'leaders'.

You sound really scared.

 

[pastmyprimus]

5 million deaths, in a world population of more than 8 Billion, most of which occured pre vaccination, 93% of deaths occur in the over 50s, 75% of deaths for those over 65.

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More Craig Kelly style analysis. Comparing covid deaths with the world's population not total deaths. Covid was the third largest killer in the USA. Puts things into proper perspective.

 

[wallumi]

Why would I get jabbed every 6 months? Where's the widespread data that supports this? There is however solid data that supports a booster shot 7-8 months after your 2nd shot especially whilst working in high risk areas and if you're particularly vulnerable, it does give you that extra level of defence.

Nobody is yelling at you to get a booster moron

If the vaxed immunity wanes significantly after 6 months (which Israeli studies make very clear it does) what was the point of getting the first two if you do not follow up with a third?

On the basis of this recent spike in vaxed infections, and the need to control it with a 3rd jab, Israeli authorities are preparing for a fourth jab.

People who do not keep up with the data should be more careful about adding their political weight to compulsory medications.

 

[bomberclifford]

So that's justification for expanding to a universal mandate?
Do you think at all or do you just get urges to write stuff?

What are you on about, bozo?
I didn't use it as justification, I responded to a statement that was not entirely correct.

Do you even read anything or do you just get urges to antagonise?

 

[powermacs]

Highly invasive? Seriously what are you on about? You don’t have to get vaxxed with a 10 inch needle up your arse ffs. I

You don’t?? shit, I fell for the old 10 inch needle up the backside trick again!!

 

[wallumi]

Leading immunology experts in Germany largely rule out the possibility of people becoming ill years later as a result of COVID-19 vaccinations.

That's like 'US Intelligence sources say...(insert desired social belief here)"

Some prominent immunologists and virologists are saying otherwise. However their observations and concerns do not get blanket media coverage. Therin lies the public

The CDC made a very explicit statement regarding vax immunity vs infection immunity that was at odds with the latest published research on the matter. The CDC claimed to be based on the 'science', however it did not identify the specific science relied upon.

We are less than 2 years into this thing and already promises of resolution are being altered and slipped into shallow graves. A global experiment is being conducted whilst evidently false claims are asserted of it all being under control. Hopefully it will all turn out ok. The US might yet nuke everyone ahead of anything else going bad so maybe there's nothing to worry about.

 

[wallumi]

What are you on about, bozo?
I didn't use it as justification, I responded to a statement that was not entirely correct.

Do you even read anything or do you just get urges to antagonise?

So you're representing pedant's corner rather than attending to the actual point of the discussion?