Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

[Chief]

Australian Coronavirus Stats

Latest COVID-19 stats from Australia.

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[SaintsSeptember]

the difference is there is a vaccine for flu, and none for covid 19

There are vaccines for some types of flu, which are packaged together and administered in one hit.
They select the ones that have been most virulent in Asia/Europe the preceding winter.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There needs to be strict laws and high penalties for any issues with wet markets. Have a two strike policy, you do the wrong thing once, fix it or else you can't operate. It's that simple.

I'd rather have a greater emphasis on self isolation in terms of travel and this should be a policy going forward wherever you go. You come back, you isolate for a week.

Yeah ok, so we all lose a week from our annual leave. Business trips to New Zealand?
?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah ok, so we all lose a week from our annual leave. Business trips to New Zealand?
?

Work from home, and that's he one positive out of this. Businesses in general should be more mobile going forward. There's no need to be at work 5 days a week at an office when you can work from home 2 days and get the same work done.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Work from home, and that's he one positive out of this. Businesses in general should be more mobile going forward. There's no need to be at work 5 days a week at an office when you can work from home 2 days and get the same work done.

You know there are plenty of people who actually work hands on on non-virtual things don't you?

 

[compact72]

The CCP and Chinese sympathists here makes me embarrassed to know they are fellow Australians.

Feel for the Chinese citizens, that's about it

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You know there are plenty of people who actually work hands on on non-virtual things don't you?

I'd rather keep the country safe, if that means some inconvenience, that is what it is...then we have the ridiculous anti-vaxers. We should be thinking about the end game here a bit. At least tourists should have to isolate for a period of time.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'd rather keep the country safe, if that means some inconvenience, that is what it is...then we have the ridiculous anti-vaxers. We should be thinking about the end game here a bit. At least tourists should have to isolate for a period of time.

I wasn't talking about inconvenience.

I'm talking about construction projects that need people on site. Specialists. AFL footballers. etc etc. Your ideas would be effective, but they are simplistic.
How about mining , workers fly in and out. Are they included in your travel restrictions. They fly in, work two weeks , then quarantine for a week?

No more holidays for anyone ?

Surely if we did those things soon enough when a new virus hits, then it works anyway.
As an ongoing thing, its over the top and paranoid IMO.
If any government wants to implement such measures permanently i'll be voting for their most viable opponent.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I wasn't talking about inconvenience.

I'm talking about construction projects that need people on site. Specialists. AFL footballers. etc etc. Your ideas would be effective, but they are simplistic.
How about mining , workers fly in and out. Are they included in your travel restrictions. They fly in, work two weeks , then quarantine for a week?

No more holidays for anyone ?

Surely if we did those things soon enough when a new virus hits, then it works anyway.
As an ongoing thing, its over the top and paranoid IMO.
If any government wants to implement such measures permanently i'll be voting for their most viable opponent.

Well what's your end game...going back to before isn't the idea. We've had a number of outbreaks with this being the worst one in the last decade or so (SARS, Ebola, COVID19). There has to be some restrictions. The vaccine will come but post that we have to decide what we can an cannot do with our borders. We are fortunate as an Island country so we can implant these and we can stop them before they come in. We have to be smart about it. Just opening all borders pretending it didn't happen this year isn't the solution.

 

[Coconut_twirl]

The China numbers make little sense on paper but my Dad lives there, he doesn't know anyone who is sick and the hospitals in his city aren't full at all with sick people, all businesses have reopened including shopping centers cafes and restaurants.

Besides it being mandatory to wear a mask in public they have zero restrictions.

So they seem fairly confident it's not rampant at this point.

They still have to apply some social distancing. Schools are not open in Beijing or Shanghai.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Well what's your end game...going back to before isn't the idea. We've had a number of outbreaks with this being the worst one in the last decade or so (SARS, Ebola, COVID19). There has to be some restrictions. The vaccine will come but post that we have to decide what we can an cannot do with our borders. We are fortunate as an Island country so we can implant these and we can stop them before they come in. We have to be smart about it. Just opening all borders pretending it didn't happen this year isn't the solution.

Apart from this one, what serious outbreaks have we had in the last decade or so?

 

[samFFC]

Wrong thread.

Still seeing comments about deliberately infecting young people; not worrying about young people etc. etc..
Also commentary from Andrew Bolt to that effect.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Apart from this one, what serious outbreaks have we had in the last decade or so?

SARS being the big one despite it being limited to SE Asia. Look yes this is a 1 in 1000 year thing, but lets not pretend the signs weren't there. You release border protections and you run a huge risk, and cruise ships are just a joke they are worse. There has to be an end game. This year is what it is, but what can we do after the vaccine to protect us. Doing nothing isn't a valid response and one I'll be livid with. Personally I've already decided to never travel to China until certain things are in place, that is a personal thing though. What can we do in the long and short term after this is over?

 

[Pessimistic]

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May require a spit-shine..

‘don’t need to go too deep to grope the sand

 

[Roby]

Hubei had an extended strict lockdown. 2 months. It was locked down on January 23rd.
January 30th. other provinces started locking down.
The new year holidays were officially extended towards the end of February.
After that , people started going back to work , depending on what they were doing and where they were located.

It remains puzzling how it hasn't spread throughout China like it has in Europe.

It's not puzzling.

 

[Sterge]

What is your endgame solution? There are 2 options:

1) Herd immunity
2) Stay in lockdown until a vaccine is developed and widely distributed (~18 months)

Option 1 obviously has many variants. There is the option of uncontrolled spread which has more deaths and reaches herd immunity faster, or various levels of more controlled spread.

But until one of these is in place, the virus continues.

We live on an island, theoretically you could lock everyone down until cases reach basically zero.

Then no one comes in until a vaccine, but otherwise everyone already here could basically go about their lives. The economy wound need to adjust but it is better than 18 months of nothing.

 

[BEaston]

Hi Monkey.

Your critical thinking was infiltrated indisputably by your criminal President Xi.

Are you deliberately trying to prove his point for him, or?

 

[Chism]

Not really surprising...

China’s coronavirus conspiracy: Wuhan residents tell of chilling death toll clue

Some residents believe that up to 18 times the number of people have died in their city from COVID-19 than authorities are reporting.

7news.com.au

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not really surprising...

China’s coronavirus conspiracy: Wuhan residents tell of chilling death toll clue

Some residents believe that up to 18 times the number of people have died in their city from COVID-19 than authorities are reporting.

7news.com.au

Colour me shocked

 

[Forward Press]

Not really surprising...

China’s coronavirus conspiracy: Wuhan residents tell of chilling death toll clue

Some residents believe that up to 18 times the number of people have died in their city from COVID-19 than authorities are reporting.

7news.com.au

I never believed in the numbers from China and I think the Australian government didn't either.

 

[mightymouse75]

Lots of fear mongering..
From media & from trolls on the internet.
Some may legitimately beleive in the fear they are spreading to others.

Just remember the CCP does not represent the majority of chinese people.
If we were china now & I said scomo is a fat panda & a bit of a campaigner I would be down the police station & my fam would not see me for a while..

I have spent some time there, I did not encounter any wet markets, they are not popular for the majority of Chinese. They are now a thing of the past, the CCP has lost all legitimacy from this outbreak in it's own country & internationally & will crack down on anything that resembles, that is the the CCP works. They are still widely used in many other countrys like indo & Thailand as we speak.
They all need to stop. (So do concentrated chook & pig farms, they are all virus incubators)

Chinese people are also suffering greatly from this virus.

The chinese economy has been hit just as hard as any other country.

There are just as many campaigners in Australia as there are in the USA & ,China..

Do not let fear guide your opinions or be afraid to call others out if they are being dicks.

For eg Xi jin ping is a dick who enabled this virus by not keeping those crappy wet markets shut after the SARS epidemic. The tucker looks like whinnie the pooh.

 

[TheSunGod]

Lots of fear mongering..
From media & from trolls on the internet.
Some may legitimately beleive in the fear they are spreading to others.

Just remember the CCP does not represent the majority of chinese people.
If we were china now & I said scomo is a fat panda & a bit of a campaigner I would be down the police station & my fam would not see me for a while..

I have spent some time there, I did not encounter any wet markets, they are not popular for the majority of Chinese. They are now a thing of the past, the CCP has lost all legitimacy from this outbreak in it's own country & internationally & will crack down on anything that resembles, that is the the CCP works. They are still widely used in many other countrys like indo & Thailand as we speak.
They all need to stop. (So do concentrated chook & pig farms, they are all virus incubators)

Chinese people are also suffering greatly from this virus.

The chinese economy has been hit just as hard as any other country.

There are just as many campaigners in Australia as there are in the USA & ,China..

Do not let fear guide your opinions or be afraid to call others out if they are being dicks.

For eg Xi jin ping is a dick who enabled this virus by not keeping those crappy wet markets shut after the SARS epidemic. The tucker looks like whinnie the pooh.

But everyone loves fat pandas and Winnie the Pooh!

 

[jatz14]

We live on an island, theoretically you could lock everyone down until cases reach basically zero.

Then no one comes in until a vaccine, but otherwise everyone already here could basically go about their lives. The economy wound need to adjust but it is better than 18 months of nothing.

The economy would adjust by collapsing

 

[jatz14]

Colour me shocked

Under reporting deaths in Wuhan is entirely believable.

That there is a mass epidemic going on now much less so.
The fact info is getting out about Wuhan, but not a rampant current epidemic, when info on the former would be much easier to control suggests as much.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

SARS being the big one despite it being limited to SE Asia. Look yes this is a 1 in 1000 year thing, but lets not pretend the signs weren't there. You release border protections and you run a huge risk, and cruise ships are just a joke they are worse. There has to be an end game. This year is what it is, but what can we do after the vaccine to protect us. Doing nothing isn't a valid response and one I'll be livid with. Personally I've already decided to never travel to China until certain things are in place, that is a personal thing though. What can we do in the long and short term after this is over?

You said there were signs.
Perhaps the answer is to be better able to respond to the signs.
One of John Travolta's earliest movies was "the boy in the plastic bubble " at the end of the movie he came out of the bubble , preferring to take the risk than live inside it.

 

[Toump Ass]

Goddamn, mods are busy in this thread!

PSA: Now I'm laid off work I have more time than ever for bigfooty, happy to do moderating too, if anyone wants to give me a badge and a gun I'm ready to start right away.