Cotchin vs Rich vs Scully vs Swallow

[TheBigUnit]

your joking right?, swallows kicking comes second in that crew only to rich....scully and cotchin come last...

I thought someone would pull me up on that! Yeah, it's probably a bit 'nitpicky' - he's a good kick (I'd put him behind Rich and Cotchin) and certainly not a weakness, but I think he could (and probably will now he'll be getting professional AFL level development a year early) improve his overall reliability. I think he may have even mentioned it himself in an interview as one of the areas he'd like to improve (?).

 

[halfman_halfroo]

Cotchin is the best kick going around only thing rich has is a long penetrating kick...watch some football before you post

lol, thats the way you argue is it...if we are arguing like that then I would respond by saying, your team makes cotchin look better than he is due to its extreme lack of everything

as we speak if swallow is reading this he thinking about how he will murder cotchin in a tackle when they first meet. It also might interest you to know that Swallow was injured through the 18's carnival, he had an inner thigh injury the whole time, he didnt train hard for the three weeks before the carnival, and he openly admitted that his kicking was of due to the fact he could not fully extend when he kicked...so if thats the football i should have watched for his kicking then i suppose his injury should have stopped him from kicking at an 80% efficiency...wait..that was exactly his kicking efficiency for the whole carnival....with an injury...

swallow at 16 would destroy cotchin for fun in his spare time.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I pick one of the one's who hasn't played yet. That way, if I use my imagination, they are always the best. So much upside!!!!111

 

[Smyth94]

I pick one of the one's who hasn't played yet. That way, if I use my imagination, they are always the best. So much upside!!!!111

QFT

So many people on here don't have a clue...I mean rating players who have never played a single game at AFL level above proven AFL performers (Rich & Cotchin) - puuurrlleeaasee

its the UPSIDE!!!!11 think of the UPSIDE!!!!111

 

[halfman_halfroo]

I thought someone would pull me up on that! Yeah, it's probably a bit 'nitpicky' - he's a good kick (I'd put him behind Rich and Cotchin) and certainly not a weakness, but I think he could (and probably will now he'll be getting professional AFL level development a year early) improve his overall reliability. I think he may have even mentioned it himself in an interview as one of the areas he'd like to improve.

It may interest you to know as i mentioned above, that swallow had an injury the whole way through the carnival, which didnt help his kicking...but he went at still around 80% efficiency...not to mention he only trained lightly for the previous 3 weeks....

ohh then there is the fact he played off centre half back...a position he had never before played...obviously being rewarded with the larke medal...


his kicking at wafl level was embarrasingly good...better then his team mate Lucas.... his kicking is a strong point. not as penetrating as rich..but then again david is 188cm and 87 kilo...he would rape rich when it comes to getting the ball, his quickness leap would have him all over it.....

imagine if he got fit...something his 18's coach said he wasnt the whole carnival....

...i think after you take into consideration all these things...then the fact he wasnt fit, played in a position he had never before played...and won the larke medal...

well his fame is well due spaniard.

 

[halfman_halfroo]

QFT

So many people on here don't have a clue...I mean rating players who have never played a single game at AFL level above proven AFL performers (Rich & Cotchin) - puuurrlleeaasee

its the UPSIDE!!!!11 think of the UPSIDE!!!!111

fairly sure i saw ur essendon contraires comparing jack darling to michael hurley in another thread...so yeah.

 

[doddy87]

lol, thats the way you argue is it...if we are arguing like that then I would respond by saying, your team makes cotchin look better than he is due to its extreme lack of everything

as we speak if swallow is reading this he thinking about how he will murder cotchin in a tackle when they first meet. It also might interest you to know that Swallow was injured through the 18's carnival, he had an inner thigh injury the whole time, he didnt train hard for the three weeks before the carnival, and he openly admitted that his kicking was of due to the fact he could not fully extend when he kicked...so if thats the football i should have watched for his kicking then i suppose his injury should have stopped him from kicking at an 80% efficiency...wait..that was exactly his kicking efficiency for the whole carnival....with an injury...

swallow at 16 would destroy cotchin for fun in his spare time.

What a tool! I have never stated richmond are any good infact quiet the opposite but I just mentioned cotchin is a gun kick both sides of his body its probably his biggest upside! In fact I didnt even rate the players mentioned! btw arguing how good his kicking is in a U/18 carnival just goes to show how little football knowledge you actually have ....wait until they start playing AFL

 

[halfman_halfroo]

What a tool! I have never stated richmond are any good infact quiet the opposite but I just mentioned cotchin is a gun kick both sides of his body its probably his biggest upside! In fact I didnt even rate the players mentioned! btw arguing how good his kicking is in a U/18 carnival just goes to show how little football knowledge you actually have ....wait until they start playing AFL

I was pointing out your lack of ability to argue by simply stating to someone "you obiovusly dont watch football"..my arguement was obviosuly in line with your statement, your response "what a tool" confirms your own original point was usless as was my point refuting your point.

again, this is a current versus future players thread...to claim "wait untill they start playing AFL" is usless...as this is the "drafts and trading forum"..

speculation is the pervue of drafts and trading and thus this thread.


...so again based on purley what i have seen at 18's and junior footy, and i saw cotchin at junior level....

swallow would rape and pillage cotchin and eat his unborn children, based on what i have seen of both players at junior level. and based on the points i have already made.

take your uneducated arguing to a less speculative forum.

 

[Smyth94]

fairly sure i saw ur essendon contraires comparing jack darling to michael hurley in another thread...so yeah.

Fairly sure you've got it the other way around mate...it was your legion of fanboys claiming Darling was the second coming of JC

 

[Smyth94]

I was pointing out your lack of ability to argue by simply stating to someone "you obiovusly dont watch football"..my arguement was obviosuly in line with your statement, your response "what a tool" confirms your own original point was usless as was my point refuting your point.

again, this is a current versus future players thread...to claim "wait untill they start playing AFL" is usless...as this is the "drafts and trading forum"..

speculation is the pervue of drafts and trading and thus this thread.


...so again based on purley what i have seen at 18's and junior footy, and i saw cotchin at junior level....

swallow would rape and pillage cotchin and eat his unborn children, based on what i have seen of both players at junior level. and based on the points i have already made.

take your uneducated arguing to a less speculative forum.

P*** off fan boy...Cotchin = proven AFL performer; Swallow = a nobody

 

[halfman_halfroo]

Fairly sure you've got it the other way around mate...it was your legion of fanboys claiming Darling was the second coming of JC

im not complaining about it though...


as previously mentioned drafts and trading is speculative, so is this thread...if you dont like, dont post here..

you dont think clubs dont draft players based on comparison to past and current players..

so and so is compared to ablett, ect. Its helpful to understand what kind of player they will be, and often these comparions help a player define his play.

This is a thread about 4 current and specific future, players including, Hurley is not one of these...

 

[EagleMan87]

Lol I love it how West Coast supporters have hijacked this thread.

Becoming quite a common occurence really. It's quite revealing.

At least we talk up players that are actually on our list already...

And FFS, can people learn how to quote?

 

[halfman_halfroo]

P*** off fan boy...Cotchin = proven AFL performer; Swallow = a nobody

..ahh i can now see were your ability to argue lies...in simplicity.

so let me make my point easier and so you can grasp the concept.

Me:1
You:0

this is a drafts and trading thread. speculation is its aim.

your point about swallow having never played is a given, thus irrelevent, I have seen cotchin at Junior level, and swallow.

I will rate them as juniors as not to muddy the waters for the interlectually challenged. i have highlighted the main points so you dont get confused.


at junior level:
Swallow: would rape and murder cotchin.
Cotchin: r*ped and murdered by swallow.

 

[halfman_halfroo]

At least we talk up players that are actually on our list already...

And FFS, can people learn how to quote?

FFS its a speculative thread...the point is self evident...its the drafts and trading forum...again specualtive.

comparing current and future players is indeed speculative...FFS how can you not comprehend that?

did you miss the thread title...were you confused by the OP's original speculative point??

if your pissed none of your players were listed in the thread title, start one of your own....your own speculative thread...

 

[Spluff]

..ahh i can now see were your ability to argue lies...in simplicity.

so let me make my point easier and so you can grasp the concept.

Me:1
You:0

this is a drafts and trading thread. speculation is its aim.

your point about swallow having never played is a given, thus irrelevent, I have seen cotchin at Junior level, and swallow.

I will rate them as juniors as not to muddy the waters for the interlectually challenged. i have highlighted the main points so you dont get confused.


at junior level:
Swallow: would rape and murder cotchin.
Cotchin: r*ped and murdered by swallow.

This from the guy who labelled Lucas a dud with "no skills" like "chris marsden [sic]", and then a few weeks later went on to claim Scully was "meh" and "if i was melbourne, i would not take scully, i would take Lucas."

 

[pinkus maximus]

Perhaps Swift could be granted the same courtesy pinkus? Played virtually no football in the last two years and wasn't really expected to play AFL at all this year. Ends the season with a 26 touch 10 tackle BOG performance. After being rated by Voss the best 16 year old in the country he seems to be fully fit and used to the tempo of AFL footy. Surely you can understand why Eagles fans are excited about him? He's out best young prospect by a fair margin in my opinion.

Of course I can Quinz. I rate Swift and would happily have him at Freo. I was just having a crack at Prem for bunching him with other players who are widely regarded as better talents. It feels like every thread these days is derailed by WC and Melb fanboys and it's getting tiresome

 

[Smyth94]

at junior level:
Swallow: would rape and murder cotchin.
Cotchin: r*ped and murdered by swallow.

Your little caveat about "junior level" is worthless as there are so many factors which decide how a player develops at AFL level.

I don't care how much better Swallow is/was than Cotchin at underage level because like you said - it is purely speculative.

Your comment "would rape and murder Cotchin" is quite bizarre really, Cotchin is an elite talent, and not some plodder - Its as if you were comparing Buddy Franklin to Andrew McDougall.

 

[Prem87]

Of course I can Quinz. I rate Swift and would happily have him at Freo. I was just having a crack at Prem for bunching him with other players who are widely regarded as better talents. It feels like every thread these days is derailed by WC and Melb fanboys and it's getting tiresome

Swift was the standout 16 year old in the country by a fair margin, on talent alone he is entitled to be included in that group of highly rated junior mids.

 

[halfman_halfroo]

This from the guy who labelled Lucas a dud with "no skills" like "chris marsden [sic]", and then a few weeks later went on to claim Scully was "meh" and "if i was melbourne, i would not take scully, i would take Lucas."

I dont rate Lucas, but i rate him above Scully, I dont rate Masten either.

All 3 mentioned are good athletes, average footy players...i dont see how this is contentious give the "average" bunch of draftees this year.

 

[halfman_halfroo]

Your little caveat about "junior level" is worthless as there are so many factors which decide how a player develops at AFL level.

I don't care how much better Swallow is/was than Cotchin at underage level because like you said - it is purely speculative.

Your comment "would rape and murder Cotchin" is quite bizarre really, Cotchin is an elite talent, and not some plodder - Its as if you were comparing Buddy Franklin to Andrew McDougall.

you need read a comment properly otherwise you will continue to embarass yourself. Lets have a look at what I said, and then what you said.


in response to smyth94
i wrote this:
..ahh i can now see were your ability to argue lies...in simplicity.
so let me make my point easier and so you can grasp the concept.
Me:1
You:0
this is a drafts and trading thread. speculation is its aim.
your point about swallow having never played is a given, thus irrelevent, I have seen cotchin at Junior level, and swallow.
I will rate them as juniors as not to muddy the waters for the interlectually challenged. i have highlighted the main points so you dont get confused.
at junior level:
Swallow: would rape and murder cotchin.
Cotchin: r*ped and murdered by swallow.


I have highlighted the points as to make your job easier, im not sure what im dealing with here...

I rated them originally a few posts back, then in response to some stupidity about "guessing" what they will turn out to be at AFL level, i changed tacks to become a little more direct. Thus measuring them both at Junior level.

Yes Swallow is much better at an early age, of course you have no real idea about how they will turn out, but thats what recruiting was all about...


my little Caveat was intended to subdue questions about "guessing" on future versus current players by using the old "at that point in their career" comparison. Again the subjectivity was reduced and i still got the "you cant compare arguement" from ***** on this board.

Yes again, this is all a little guess work, but we do have lamp poles of guidance through this process. Inevidably, and probably statistically a certain number of great juniors will never make the AFL leap, but based on what we know, Swallow> Cotchin based on what we can see and existing criterion.

My rape and murder comment was made to show that at 16 Cotchin was a little weed with good skills, Swallow is a man, and is ready to play right now...at 16. GC would not have picked him up otherwise.

My comment is that using the same age theory, as well as a bit of deductive reasoning if Swallow continues his current path he piss over cotchin sometime during his first season.


please learn to read, think and use some form of reasoning before posting, if AFL scouting was as speculative as you are indicating, a draft lottery would be more akin. As its not, and they can make certain assumptions about players at an early age...i dont think its such a bad thing to guess their AFL path based on junior comparisons.


EDIT: yes i think Franklin would rape and murder Mcdougall...I also think Swallow would rape and murder Cotchin...right now.

 

[halfman_halfroo]

Swift was the standout 16 year old in the country by a fair margin, on talent alone he is entitled to be included in that group of highly rated junior mids.

...you mean at the time..yes Swift would have been rated...id say the knee injuries, his meh form at AFL level and his lack of awarness all add up to the fact he should not be mentioned alongside these three.

to suggest otherwise is inviting this debate to be open to all manor of players whom are not really in the same class. It is with this understanding that I will ask you to not mention Swifts name ever again.

..unless your talking about mid range draftees whom come good.

 

[King Of The Hille]

How about Tom Swift pre injury as a 16 year old in comparison to these guys a the same age?

Swift is slowly working his way back into that form at AFL, highlighted by his 3 Brownlow vote game against Richmond in round 22. He will be a superstar.


The thread title should read - Murphy v Gibbs v Selwood v Rich v Swift v Cotchin v Scully v Swallow

Who would you take? Who has the most potential/upside?

I see Swift, Cotchin and to some degree Scully as having that Judd/Ablett type dynamic ability.

Masten > Swift

 

[EagleMan87]

Masten > Swift

I love Masten, but Swift will be so much better than him it's not even funny.

 

[lionshine]

Can't spilt them. All young guns but Swallow should be last imho because we havent seen him at the top level yet likewise Scully. However I think they will do well at the top level.

 

[Tulip]

If Swift is being talked about as part of this thread then why isn't Jack Grimes? Missed a heap of development, missed all but rd22 last year, missed pre-season and went on to get something like a 40 possession, 3 brownlow vote game. Neither of them should be in this thread though as they're not sure things or future no.1 picks. Selwood and Palmer are and thus should be included. BTW, Sam Blease and James Strauss were both taken before Swift and it will be interesting to see their progress in 2010