Mega Thread >>COVID-19 DISCUSSION THREAD<<

[Angry Red Bull]

What’s becoming obvious is that there is a divide in opinion and that divide seemingly won’t shift no matter what arguments are raised either side so I won’t waste my time any more. Fortunately the people who matter (those making the decisions) concur with my beliefs.

 

[Olian]

NRL locked in for round 3 kick off on May 28. Full credit to them they have taken a punt, looks like it will pay off. Only 3 new COVID cases since 3pm yesterday helps their cause. AFL lagging behind. Would be nice if the football was back.

 

[Swansujelly]

Sweden never really stopped dabbling with eugenics, did they?

 

[Angry Red Bull]

As you all know I’m a little OCD with many things I do. I NEED to be on top of any new challenge especially one that threatens life. When this crisis first started I commenced a habit of logging onto the worldodometer each morning where it shows country by country new cases death new deaths recovered and critical. As a country we were position 17 back then in number of cases and so as vulnerable as most. I wanted to have a measure of success of our measures so I monitored it each day. We are now position 42 and with only 4 new cases overnight. Blessed really. I focused on Canada who were about 5 positions below us better off to start. They are now position 13 and have 1400 new cases a day with about 130 deaths a day. That number is about the attendance at a wedding. Imagine that.......every family member and friend wiped out entirely and then tomorrow it will be someone else’s family and friends and that is just Canada who are by no means the worst off here. It’s a way I try to stay anchored and most mornings I shed a tear as perspective hits me.......but for the grace if god go we.....you, me our family our friends wiped from existence. And I should shed a tear because that is what humanity is ....caring what happens, understanding it’s implications and being in touch with what that means if it were instead me my family my friends all lost. Another tear forms. Damn. Think about it people.

I wish I didn’t feel so helpless that there was a sacrifice I could make that would make a difference. The only way for me is to disseminate what I learn in the hope someone can use the research I’ve done to save themselves their family or friends.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You and assumptions....

The article was average not exactly food for thought.

Wow. Someone has gotten out of bed on the wrong side two days running.

You do agree that there was nothing in the article to suggest the idiotic assumption that Hewson was pretending to be a medical doctor?

You do agree that there has been much discussion (even in this thread!) of the economic devastation wreaked by a pandemic, and that it's reasonable to think a doctor of economics might have something to contribute on that discussion?

Sheesh.

As for the article being "average" and "not exactly food for thought", thanks for your opinion. I found it very thought-provoking in its examination of the big-picture implications for the future, as have others.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Wow. Someone has gotten out of bed on the wrong side two days running.

You do agree that there was nothing in the article to suggest the idiotic assumption that Hewson was pretending to be a medical doctor?

You do agree that there has been much discussion (even in this thread!) of the economic devastation wreaked by a pandemic, and that it's reasonable to think a doctor of economics might have something to contribute on that discussion?

Sheesh.

As for the article being "average" and "not exactly food for thought", thanks for your opinion. I found it very thought-provoking in its examination of the big-picture implications for the future, as have others.

The only article I could find on Dr Hewsons views was discussing post corona virus crisis opportunities at revamping tax system and moving toward greater recognition of science in most aspects of government. The article was spot on as regards the tax system. It’s always been my view (as a tax practitioner) that moving away from taxing corporate profits and instead taxing gross revenue is undoubtedly a preferred basis. In that way the massive efforts to shift profits using complex international structures designed to sheet those profits to low tax jurisdictions would be to no avail. We all would be horrified at the extent of this. Were it to change as Dr Hewson advocates you would be able to substantially reduce personal tax as big corporates start to pay appropriate share of taxes. Will that happen? Doubt it. It was recently posited that people like Murdoch decide what happens in liberal party politics including change of leaders. We all should be horrified at that. That being the case there are undoubtedly vested interests that would politically resist a move to that more equitable system. In pure economic terms I’m an admirer of Dr Hewson and his views, but he wasn’t politically savvy when leader and probably not politically savvy now. Still principles are sound but practice in getting there with so many vested interests is the hurdle. We can all dream I guess

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Read up some of his responses and it’s the usual diatribe BS of the restrictions being more damaging than the disease. He is a funds manager who was a doctor who studied some economic subjects in University all of which makes him dangerous in his opinions and NOT well informed. At least I completed my commerce degree which had a stream of economic subjects so thanks Michael but I’ll stick to what I know. He also heavily advocated use of hydroxycloroquine as treatment being highly critical as to why it hasn’t been widely used. The answer is that the disease creates a prolonged q-t interval in heart rhythm as it attacks the cardiovascular system and hydroxycloroquine extends that interval even further as it’s inherent effect to the point of attending medical professionals being uncomfortable with the dangers. It clearly works because it stamps out the Cytokline storm to prevent ARDS but it isn’t the panacea here for its risks or so the informed medical opinion asserts. Here in AUST it has been limited to a clinical study as considered position but otherwise denied use other than extreme compassionate use which is informative IMO. It’s a risk they’re none too keen to take. Haven’t checked but wouldn’t be surprised if the drug is not advocated to those with heart disease troubles in its normal pattern of use and covid 19 attacks those most vulnerable exactly that category.

Report out today results of a clinical study in USA of the drug indicated a higher death rate compared to normal treatment. The Australian response once again on the mark.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

NRL locked in for round 3 kick off on May 28. Full credit to them they have taken a punt, looks like it will pay off. Only 3 new COVID cases since 3pm yesterday helps their cause. AFL lagging behind. Would be nice if the football was back.

Worth a go. Plus casual fans may watch it well because lets be frank the alternative is watching the racing or some useless old match.

 

[BloodySwan]

Worth a go. Plus casual fans may watch it well because lets be frank the alternative is watching the racing or some useless old match.

NRL attendance is also really poor. Most fans watch on the TV than go to the games anyways

 

[LukeParkerno1]

NRL attendance is also really poor. Most fans watch on the TV than go to the games anyways

Without crowds it’s only TV viewership anyway. Doesn’t matter about crowds this season. They won’t be back till next year (both codes)

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Given that hydroxycloroquine is now proved useless and that NY doctor had a 100% success with it and zinc lozenges it raises the intriguing possibility that virtually all the success was attributable to the zinc lozenges as that is the only factor distinguishing the treatment. One hypothesis is that zinc attacks viral load in throat which has been proven with other coronaviruses and before it can settle heavily in lungs enabling the immune system to cope better. Wonder if zinc nasal spray is available too, Throw in the fact that Vitamin C megadose has also proven to have 20% impact in studies then that may be a sensible combination to the consternation of medical professionals. Ie they are natural remedies!

Edit: nah apparently zinc spray is damaging to nasal cavity

 

[BloodySwan]

Given that hydroxycloroquine is now proved useless and that NY doctor had a 100% success with it and zinc lozenges it raises the intriguing possibility that virtually all the success was attributable to the zinc lozenges as that is the only factor distinguishing the treatment. One hypothesis is that zinc attacks viral load in throat which has been proven with other coronaviruses and before it can settle heavily in lungs enabling the immune system to cope better. Wonder if zinc nasal spray is available too, Throw in the fact that Vitamin C megadose has also proven to have 20% impact in studies then that may be a sensible combination to the consternation of medical professionals. Ie they are natural remedies!

Edit: nah apparently zinc spray is damaging to nasal cavity

 

[Ticky009]

Coronavirus tracking app winner is Amazon. Lolz. Which means the data is now offshore and in accordance with US law able to be utilised when required by their govt. agencies

I'm Keen to see the govt response to this one. Am glad to see their manufacturing onshore is taking off in leaps & bounds

 

[Del198236]

Coronavirus tracking app winner is Amazon. Lolz. Which means the data is now offshore and in accordance with US law able to be utilised when required by their govt. agencies

I'm Keen to see the govt response to this one. Am glad to see their manufacturing onshore is taking off in leaps & bounds

Is this true?
If so, there's no way I will download the app. After seeing Amazon on ABC a couple of weeks ago, I will never even open their website let alone give them access to my phone!!

 

[swansfan51]

Coronavirus tracking app winner is Amazon. Lolz. Which means the data is now offshore and in accordance with US law able to be utilised when required by their govt. agencies

I'm Keen to see the govt response to this one. Am glad to see their manufacturing onshore is taking off in leaps & bounds

So it went to AWS which is the biggest and best cloud platform in the world and has more capacity than the next 3 biggest competitors combined. An very sensible decision

 

[Ticky009]

Is this true?
If so, there's no way I will download the app. After seeing Amazon on ABC a couple of weeks ago, I will never even open their website let alone give them access to my phone!!

The app isn't open source & govt is prevaricating on clarifying data integrity details on this aspect. I'll have a clearer idea once they release it and we crack it open for a look.

 

[Swansujelly]

this is the government creep i was feasrful of. Not just the app, but other gov )initiatives). Take NSW, the gov is going to "fastrack" construction projects in the "pipeline", goosbye environmental impact stusies, community consultation etc. Sny opposition to these intiatives is labelles as opportunistic and unAustralian. There was a book written about it, a female author who wrote about what the Republicans snuck in after Hurricane Katrina. Gonna happen again, but here too this time, just watch

 

[Ticky009]

this is the government creep i was feasrful of. Not just the app, but other gov )initiatives). Take NSW, the gov is going to "fastrack" construction projects in the "pipeline", goosbye environmental impact stusies, community consultation etc. Sny opposition to these intiatives is labelles as opportunistic and unAustralian. There was a book written about it, a female author who wrote about what the Republicans snuck in after Hurricane Katrina. Gonna happen again, but here too this time, just watch

Meanwhile, bushfire victims still waiting for their promised coin

 

[Ticky009]

**** all the depressing shit...it's Friday!
I love how sometimes all you can see is this tail wagging happily

 

[Bonz]

Meanwhile, bushfire victims still waiting for their promised coin

From the insurance companies or the government?

To be honest can see why there might be delays from the Government, this Covid situation has truly screwed our economy.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Given that hydroxycloroquine is now proved useless and that NY doctor had a 100% success with it and zinc lozenges it raises the intriguing possibility that virtually all the success was attributable to the zinc lozenges as that is the only factor distinguishing the treatment. One hypothesis is that zinc attacks viral load in throat which has been proven with other coronaviruses and before it can settle heavily in lungs enabling the immune system to cope better. Wonder if zinc nasal spray is available too, Throw in the fact that Vitamin C megadose has also proven to have 20% impact in studies then that may be a sensible combination to the consternation of medical professionals. Ie they are natural remedies!

Edit: nah apparently zinc spray is damaging to nasal cavity

Trial announced with antiviral drug, antibiotic, megadose vitamin c, zinc and vitamin D.

I’ve been taking megadose vitamin c and vitamin d and recently added zinc so I’m already taking most of the trial lol. I include berberine which has anti inflammatory and antiviral properties and shown to reduce ARDS as well as pine bark extract with l arginine. These latter two up the nitric oxide levels (which decline in the elderly) and adequacy of nitric oxide was shown to undermine SARS in 2003/04 so may play a similar role with its viral cousin.

 

[Swansujelly]

Trial announced with antiviral drug, antibiotic, megadose vitamin c, zinc and vitamin D.

I’ve been taking megadose vitamin c and vitamin d and recently added zinc so I’m already taking most of the trial lol. I include berberine which has anti inflammatory and antiviral properties and shown to reduce ARDS as well as pine bark extract with l arginine. These latter two up the nitric oxide levels (which decline in the elderly) and adequacy of nitric oxide was shown to undermine SARS in 2003/04 so may play a similar role with its viral cousin.

Won’t do you much good when your liver karks it.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The case numbers now declining and fingers crossed we are on threshold of eradication.

700 cases of success with a treatment of Hrdroxycloroquibe an antiobiotoc and zinc. having studied statistical analysis I know with high confidence interval that it is statistically anomalous at that data sample size to have that outcome randomly. Therefore it’s highly likely outcome is influenced by one of the components and given that component can’t now be Hydroxycloroquine it must then be zinc. It’s not a rock nor is the virus a tiger. The virus kills people like my family that I’m trying to protect. But don’t believe me believe the medical community that have now included a combination of natural remedies that now also includes zinc.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Won’t do you much good when your liver karks it.

That is an ignorant comment. Had you done the research as I’ve done you would realise that there are acceptable limits to all these things. The worst that can happen with megadose Vit c is upset stomach or bowel and creates no toxicity otherwise the hospitals and clinical trial wouldn’t likewise be using them. The regimen I created for me and all my family is the exact same regimen that is now being used front line and in clinical trials.You want to ridicule me for doing what I’ve done then you are a fool. You want to hope you don’t catch it as a means of survival then that’s your choice. That is never my style. I find answers. Those answers that I quoted several weeks ago are now being used front line so I mustn’t be too far off the mark in what I’ve done to protect my family. Things are turning for the better so maybe neither will need protection but should that not be the case I know with some degree of confidence that what I’ve created for family gives them absolute best chance for survival and a hell of a lot better than ‘f*** what do I do now’

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Coronavirus tracking app winner is Amazon. Lolz. Which means the data is now offshore and in accordance with US law able to be utilised when required by their govt. agencies

I'm Keen to see the govt response to this one. Am glad to see their manufacturing onshore is taking off in leaps & bounds

None too clued in on all this Ticky but if you say no then I’ll take that on board