Mega Thread >>COVID-19 DISCUSSION THREAD<<

[Wolfgang West]

Dictator has banished dream eyes Brett for throwing him under the bus

Not a Dictator more like a Dichead

 

[RW]

Still think Palaszczuk is worse than Dan

 

[The King!]

Still think Palaszczuk is worse than Dan

It’s close , Andrews is better at playing politics and deflecting she just cries

I mean there’s a curfew no one advised or recommended and he has it because it just umm works

But yeah she’s woeful

The WA Premier is 3rd place, little rat eyed fella

 

[RW]

WA is a different situation due to their relative isolation, their border restrictions will be the last to be lifted I suspect. Also they have no significant border towns.

 

[The King!]

WA is a different situation due to their relative isolation, their border restrictions will be the last to be lifted I suspect. Also they have no significant border towns.

He’s an arrogant piece of crap , fifo workers can just move to WA, lol propping his economy up

 

[RW]

He’s an arrogant piece of crap , fifo workers can just move to WA, lol propping his economy up

WA is vitally important to the nation's economy due to its natural resources, so I can understand him not wanting to take any chances.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

NSW has been the gold standard for contact tracing. The outbreak arising from Vic truck driver at crossroads hotel should by rights have been sufficient to cause uncontrollable outbreak but it didn’t because of their expertise. Numbers kept habitually low and outbreaks totally contained. They have demonstrated high level competence to the point that borders (with exception of Vic) ought to be allowed open now. The proximity of vaccines too influences that choice. Expected Jan and second one several months later. In their stead there should be 100% temperature checks at borders. The first symptom of Covid is a temperature. Of course that’s not going to happen because the politicians in other states are gun shy irrational. I think places like QLD should import NSW contact tracing practices to be ready when borders are open again

The aim was ALWAYS being able to demonstrate suppression even through outbreaks. Nsw has by being able to keep numbers to single digits for several months now. Time to replicate that expertise in other states and (vic aside) open the borders. The risk return trade off pendulum has in my opinion now swung to allow this approach

 

[Millky95]

NSW has been the gold standard for contact tracing. The outbreak arising from Vic truck driver at crossroads hotel should by rights have been sufficient to cause uncontrollable outbreak but it didn’t because of their expertise. Numbers kept habitually low and outbreaks totally contained. They have demonstrated high level competence to the point that borders (with exception of Vic) ought to be allowed open now. The proximity of vaccines too influences that choice. Expected Jan and second one several months later. In their stead there should be 100% temperature checks at borders. The first symptom of Covid is a temperature. Of course that’s not going to happen because the politicians in other states are gun shy irrational. I think places like QLD should import NSW contact tracing practices to be ready when borders are open again

The aim was ALWAYS being able to demonstrate suppression even through outbreaks. Nsw has by being able to keep numbers to single digits for several months now. Time to replicate that expertise in other states and (vic aside) open the borders. The risk return trade off pendulum has in my opinion now swung to allow this approach

Ruby Princess gave them a good head start. Shame that methods weren't shared across states

And didn't the NSW health person say if they had the same numbers as Vic they'd be ****ed too?

 

[RW]

And didn't the NSW health person say if they had the same numbers as Vic they'd be f’ed too?

Something like that. Calling NSW the 'gold standard' is a bit of a stretch, but they do have an advantage over Victoria in that NSW Health has a more decentralized structure with a number of local health districts which has helped them manage the virus better. They might be better resourced, but even they would struggle if they had the same numbers as Victoria.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Something like that. Calling NSW the 'gold standard' is a bit of a stretch, but they do have an advantage over Victoria in that NSW Health has a more decentralized structure with a number of local health districts which has helped them manage the virus better. They might be better resourced, but even they would struggle if they had the same numbers as Victoria.

Perhaps you didn’t hear Morrison’s speech then. They are the exact words he used. I had suspected it with the results but he confirmed it. Apparently NSW contact tracers are going to help compare methods with Vic.

I’m not close enough to critique respective state responses. Morrison probably is. When it runs rampant no territory can control it. Pretty sure of that

 

[Millky95]

Perhaps you didn’t hear Morrison’s speech then. They are the exact words he used. I had suspected it with the results but he confirmed it. Apparently NSW contact tracers are going to help compare methods with Vic.

I’m not close enough to critique respective state responses. Morrison probably is. When it runs rampant no territory can control it. Pretty sure of that

Morrison was speaking like the Vic opposition leader, not the PM of Australia

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Something like that. Calling NSW the 'gold standard' is a bit of a stretch, but they do have an advantage over Victoria in that NSW Health has a more decentralized structure with a number of local health districts which has helped them manage the virus better. They might be better resourced, but even they would struggle if they had the same numbers as Victoria.

The aim of contact tracing is if I understand correctly to get ahead of the infections and quarantine them to diminish or eradicate community transmission. I suspect VIC never got ahead of the curve from the abattoir onwards and it was growing community transmission also undetected until it became too late. It’s easy to say that numbers were too hard to handle and were but that was down the track after it wasn’t contained by tracing and quarantine

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Average daily tests in VIC the last week 13k where virus is rife.

Average daily tests in NSW the last week 24k where virus is very low level.

is that anomalous? You would think where there is greater threat there is more proactive response by community

 

[Millky95]

Average daily tests in VIC the last week 13k where virus is rife.

Average daily tests in NSW the last week 24k where virus is very low level.

is that anomalous? You would think where there is greater threat there is more proactive response by community

A lot have probably been jaded. I got tested when I had a symptom a while ago. Only leave home to shop due to new guidelines. No one in my house has symptoms so we don't get tested. People in NSW who go out more, might be having more symptoms thus testing more.

Also, if you believe the Dan Andrews thread they believe instead of protesting you just don't get tested so if there are no tests there are no cases so we can get back to life and have everyone sick and die

 

[Millky95]

Also let this thread die please

 

[mikey_san]

And Victorians elected dictator Dan. Got what they deserved.

I don't accept the premise of your statement.

 

[mikey_san]

Try living under the Dictator Dan regime.

You could always go down the park and claim your sovereign citizen status.
Say hello to Mr Capsicum Spray while you're there.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

The historical unemployment rate has fluctuated between 5 and 5.5%. At the peak of the pandemic the rate escalated to 7.4% as lay offs occurred but has now dropped again to 6.8% in August as a result of people adapting to the crisis. Certainly above historical rates but it’s hardly the insurmountable crisis many promote

 

[mikey_san]

Have you lost a family business built over decades? If not p1ss off, try living it.

Truly sorry if you've been adversely affected. It's been a lousy year for so many. Hope you recover.

But Dan's been working 7 days a week to get things in place. The payoff is coming. Only 15 new cases last 24 hours.
ITMT Scomo's been doing 4 and half day weeks the last 6 months.
Why did the libs let their Hillsong mates off the Ruby Princess to spread it round?
How about the former Vic Lib President who brought it back from Colorado ski fields and refused to self isolate?
But billionaire media owners pump out propaganda 24/7 blaming ALP only and people repeat it word for word. Sorry I'm not having a bar of it.

Hope the footy brings a welcome distraction. All the best.

 

[Bandicoot]

Truly sorry if you've been adversely affected. It's been a lousy year for so many. Hope you recover.

But Dan's been working 7 days a week to get things in place. The payoff is coming. Only 15 new cases last 24 hours.
ITMT Scomo's been doing 4 and half day weeks the last 6 months.
Why did the libs let their Hillsong mates off the Ruby Princess to spread it round?
How about the former Vic Lib President who brought it back from Colorado ski fields and refused to self isolate?
But billionaire media owners pump out propaganda 24/7 blaming ALP only and people repeat it word for word. Sorry I'm not having a bar of it.

Hope the footy brings a welcome distraction. All the best.

The sole reason Victoria is in the mess they are in is due to the absolute balls up of the hotel quarantine. We may as well have had kindergarten children in charge. Let's face it - if Andrews was the CEO of a private company he would have been sacked well before now.
The Ruby Princess fiasco was due to the state government, not federal.

 

[mikey_san]

The sole reason Victoria is in the mess they are in is due to the absolute balls up of the hotel quarantine. We may as well have had kindergarten children in charge.
The Ruby Princess fiasco was due to the state government, not federal.

Suggest you research which level of government has responsibility for quarantine, border security, bio-security, AND Aged care.

Is your argument the Federal Gov left everything to the States to hastily cover for the LNP Gov's outright incompetence and unpreparedness?
You may have a point in that.
Regards,

 

[melbournehammer]

while it is somewhat interesting to read the different views about the lockdown in Victoria, and I am truly sorry for those who have suffered extensively through this period (I know my kids have suffered but in the overall scheme a year at home is what it is) there are a lot of posts here which don't advance anything one way or another.

Can we not just accept that there will be different views as to exactly who and where responsibility lies (and in my view the responsibility is fundamentally an issue of a widely infectious disease which has a reasonably high level of mortality particularly for those with pre-existing illnesses and age) and move on ?

At the risk of being Bedders none of these have anything to do with the trade and draft hypotheticals...

 

[TheMase]

Suggest you research which level of government has responsibility for quarantine, border security, bio-security, AND Aged care.

Is your argument the Federal Gov left everything to the States to hastily cover for the LNP Gov's outright incompetence and unpreparedness?
You may have a point in that.
Regards,

Lots of BS politics at play.

Such as naming NSW as the best state despite QLD, SA and WA having hardly any cases but they are a Labor government so nothing to gain by praising them....

The aged care piece is largely in private and not for profit not government run facilities. Also regulated by the commonwealth not the states.


(I don’t support either political party I just hate bullshit)

 

[mtooler]

The sole reason Victoria is in the mess they are in is due to the absolute balls up of the hotel quarantine. We may as well have had kindergarten children in charge. Let's face it - if Andrews was the CEO of a private company he would have been sacked well before now.
The Ruby Princess fiasco was due to the state government, not federal.

I'm putting it down to the BLM protests changing the psyche of Victorians from we're all in this together, to do whatever the hell you want and whats the point. Yes the quarantine was bad but theres been outbreaks before and nothing nearly as bad as a matter of weeks after the shambolic response from Dan Andrews in the lead up to the event.

 

[Bandicoot]

while it is somewhat interesting to read the different views about the lockdown in Victoria, and I am truly sorry for those who have suffered extensively through this period (I know my kids have suffered but in the overall scheme a year at home is what it is) there are a lot of posts here which don't advance anything one way or another.

Can we not just accept that there will be different views as to exactly who and where responsibility lies (and in my view the responsibility is fundamentally an issue of a widely infectious disease which has a reasonably high level of mortality particularly for those with pre-existing illnesses and age) and move on ?

At the risk of being Bedders none of these have anything to do with the trade and draft hypotheticals...

fair enough.