Crows SANFL Reserve Side

[Vantz]

Don't agree. Do you follow a SANFL team?

It is still a brilliant competition. Crowds are great every week and the passion in the stands is still at a excellant level.

This is a good question. How many supporters who followed the Crows since inception actually genuinely support the SANFL?

I honestly have no affiliation to any SANFL team.

On the SANFL crowds. They are fine, average around 3,500 a game?

Adelaide need to be brave and enter a reserves team into a competition, whether thats the SANFL, VFL or a national reserve competition it's a necessity to remain competitive. Every team is doing it, and we are being left behind.

Put the Crows first and provide them with an opportunity to develop and foster young talent, bringing young lads through the system together, learning the game plan of ONE team and ONE system.

Or continue to see talented players such as James Sellar play at the Bay out of position and get delisted just because he played junior football for the Bays so we don't do anything and just let him regress. *Just an Example, not having a go at the Bays* They just play him where they think he fits best for them, not for the Crows, which is the point exactly.

Could you imagine Manchester United not having a reserves side and just sending all their players out to a whole range of teams in the area? *I'm not including loans, that's a clubs choice.* Australian Rules Football is a professional game now, it's time the Adelaide Crows become fully professional and form a reserves team.

 

[WALL-e]

With a debt of $27 mil and forced to dispose of a valuable asset to fix their financial problems the SANFL are looking more like a "Greek" tragedy than a long term viable competition.

How much do you think the AFL would pay to get their hands off the Crows and Power?

 

[DoubleBlue2]

Sucked in Crows.

Double Bluuuuuuuues

Hahahahhahahaha

Nah, Crows need a reserves side, put them in the comp. make Port Magpies a reserve team too, everyone knows it actually makes sense.

The Crows reserves would just be a team I have an interest in when they aren't playing aganinst Sturt. When they play us I hope they lose. I don't see how people can have an identity crisis about that, it's not stranger than cheering on the Power players who play for your clubs, it's less weird actually.

As for the SANFL...they are poison to both AFL teams.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Don't agree.

What don't you agree with? The loss of the competitions integrity?

Do you follow a SANFL team?

Avid Norwood fan, I just don’t get to as many games as I like anymore.

It is still a brilliant competition. Crowds are great every week and the passion in the stands is still at a excellant level.

So, I don't think adding a Crows reserves side would change that. In my opinion, I think it will only enhance it as it will become a much more viable option to the new footy fan that only follows AFL. If you follow SANFL football now, I don’t see why you would change over to the Crows as you have had that club loyalty for a number of years, and if they haven’t – the SANFL is not gaining that economic impute anyway. The way I see it, if the SANFL were to add Port Adelaide (Magpies) and the Adelaide Crows as the 10th team as the reserves side, it will add a new demographic to the competition but will also help improve the economic segment of the football market.

 

[Interceptor]

As for the SANFL...they are poison to both AFL teams.

It's amazing sometimes for older supporters to see the kind of disregard for the competition that spawned both AFL sides and continues to provide numerous players for the entire league.

Even if it makes some sense to add a Crows reserve side to even out the number of SANFL sides and allow full control over players, I highly doubt the existing clubs will ever vote for it. You'll find that clubs would prefer to remain as independent as possible and the biggest change that may happen with respect to the SANFL (because it's ultimately beyond their control) and the AFL clubs is with the licence holdings.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

It's amazing sometimes for older supporters to see the kind of disregard for the competition that spawned both AFL sides and continues to provide numerous players for the entire league.

Even if it makes some sense to add a Crows reserve side to even out the number of SANFL sides and allow full control over players, I highly doubt the existing clubs will ever vote for it. You'll find that clubs would prefer to remain as independent as possible and the biggest change that may happen with respect to the SANFL (because it's ultimately beyond their control) and the AFL clubs is with the licence holdings.

Yeah, because they want their cake and to eat it as well. The 9 SANFL clubs only care about the 2 AFL clubs when they want money.

 

[headache1]

Yeah, because they want their cake and to eat it as well. The 9 SANFL clubs only care about the 2 AFL clubs when they want money.

This. The AFL clubs are nothing more than cash cows to the SANFL; as is evidenced by them taking their cut no matter what the financial situation of each respective club may be.

and continues to provide numerous players for the entire league.

You say this like it actually means something. This is what happens with every second tier level competition of every sport in the world. Players with the talent to make it to the top level generally have ambitions to do so. It's not like SANFL clubs are playing talented kids in their senior sides for any other reason than it benefits them to do so.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

It's amazing sometimes for older supporters to see the kind of disregard for the competition that spawned both AFL sides and continues to provide numerous players for the entire league.

See, this the thing I don’t get. Both SA AFL clubs basically finance the running of the local league yet get no drafting or recruiting benefits from doing so. We fund the development of junior player to get drafted by Collingwood and co. That’s bullshit. That’s the thing that shits me. If we had first call on these players, funding the SANFL wouldn’t be an issue, but we don’t.

How much money does Collingwood, Essendon and co put into the Eastern Rangers, or Calder Cannons?

 

[matty p]

I would've thought adding a Crows reserves team to the SANFL would greatly enhance the standing of the competition, not diminish it as some people are saying. It seems more of a case of traditionalists not wanting to interrupt the status quo. Things don't always improve by keeping them the same, change helps sometimes and can create new traditions

 

[Interceptor]

You say this like it actually means something. This is what happens with every second tier level competition of every sport in the world. Players with the talent to make it to the top level generally have ambitions to do so. It's not like SANFL clubs are playing talented kids in their senior sides for any other reason than it benefits them to do so.

Talented players want to play at the highest level? No shit sherlock
Who puts the time and effort into initially nurturing that talent and creating a standard of football that allows young and mature players to step straight into AFL sides.
Of course it means something FFS
Yes, the first priority for SANFL clubs is to win the SANFL flag, but to dismiss their overall contributions to AFL lists as just 'something that happens' is a wank.

 

[LC40]

This arguments been done to death.
Why does the SANFL have the licenses for the two AFL clubs in the first place.
The SANFL clubs put up the money for the Crows and Port.
The Crows were created in 3 months because the of the SANFL yet now they are nothing more than leeches according to some here.
Without the SANFL, football at the grass level would be in diabolical trouble.
Who pays for all those Auskick kids and organises the venues and coaches.
The football community is more than just the AFC and Port.

I love going to the SANFL every week.

 

[headache1]

Talented players want to play at the highest level? No shit sherlock

Exactly, so second tier competitions such as the SANFL/WAFL are nothing more than stepping stones for these kids.

Who puts the time and effort into initially nurturing that talent and creating a standard of football that allows young and mature players to step straight into AFL sides.
Of course it means something FFS
Yes, the first priority for SANFL clubs is to win the SANFL flag, but to dismiss their overall contributions to AFL lists as just 'something that happens' is a wank.

It's an entirely valid point. Do you think colleges in the US chase after the best high school athletes in the country and offer them scholarships so they can be the team that "nurtures that talent" and send them off to the professional leagues? Or do they do it because it benefits them directly while said talented athletes are playing for their teams? If AFL clubs were allowed to, they'd be nurturing and developing their own talented 16-17 year olds.

The SANFL looks out for the SANFL and nobody else. Sure, they provide players for AFL lists (as does the WAFL/VFL/etc...) but as I said, this is the reality of being a second tier sporting competition the world over. Our two AFL clubs prop them up financially whilst receiving sweet **** all in return for doing so.

 

[Huntercrow]

How much do you think the AFL would pay to get their hands off the Crows and Power?

The SANFL paid $4mil for the Crows licence, not sure for the Power but allow for inflation (Roughly 2.8% PA) since first instalment would value around $7mil each licence in 2011 dollars. Offer these back to the two clubs at $5mil each over 10 years plus interest.

result
Instant money for SANFL $14mil
Good long term investment for the AFL.
2 revitalised clubs controlling their own destiny.

but won't happen

 

[Hank93]

This is a good question. How many supporters who followed the Crows since inception actually genuinely support the SANFL?

I honestly have no affiliation to any SANFL team.

On the SANFL crowds. They are fine, average around 3,500 a game?

Adelaide need to be brave and enter a reserves team into a competition, whether thats the SANFL, VFL or a national reserve competition it's a necessity to remain competitive. Every team is doing it, and we are being left behind.

Put the Crows first and provide them with an opportunity to develop and foster young talent, bringing young lads through the system together, learning the game plan of ONE team and ONE system.

Or continue to see talented players such as James Sellar play at the Bay out of position and get delisted just because he played junior football for the Bays so we don't do anything and just let him regress. *Just an Example, not having a go at the Bays* They just play him where they think he fits best for them, not for the Crows, which is the point exactly.

LOL Many Glenelg fans would not have been opposed to him getting transferred to another SANFL club.

What don't you agree with? The loss of the competitions integrity?

Bolded bits.

The integrity of the SANFL died years ago. This argument doesn't hold any weight anymore. If it came down to having a Crows reserves side or not - my first preference would be as an independent competition against Collingwood, Carlton and co but I wouldn't lose any sleep if it was in the SANFL either.

From Centrals and Woodville coming into the competition in the late 60's early 70's to the creation of the Crows in the 90's to the merger between Woodville and West Torrents to the one Port Adelaide club. What integrity the original SANFL had, is long gone. It's not simply a bastardized competition living on the golden days.

#justsayin'

If there is never going to be a AFL reserves comp, then I think it may be inevitable that there will be a Crows and Port reserves team in the SANFL.

I just don't want to see Glenelg playing the Crows. I would find it very akward.

Not sure what format a Crows and Port SANFL comp would take. Would they play for premiership points?

The NRL run a U-20 national club competition, as do the A-League. If they can afford to do a junior national comp, how can the AFL not be able to fund a Reserves comp.

 

[relapse]

This arguments been done to death.
Why does the SANFL have the licenses for the two AFL clubs in the first place.
The SANFL clubs put up the money for the Crows and Port.
The Crows were created in 3 months because the of the SANFL yet now they are nothing more than leeches according to some here.
Without the SANFL, football at the grass level would be in diabolical trouble.
Who pays for all those Auskick kids and organises the venues and coaches.
The football community is more than just the AFC and Port.

I love going to the SANFL every week.

So you're suggesting that the Crows should continue be disadvantaged in relative terms to other clubs so that the SANFL remains viable.

The AFC is an AFL club not a mickey mouse franchise that is used to generate money for the SANFL. Honestly what would the point be in supporting an entity if it's sole purpose isnt to achieve success, but rather exist as a novelty attraction that's sole purpose is to create revenue for the SANFL.

The SANFL have either joined the AFL for the two teams to win it or they need to hand those licenses to the clubs themselves.

 

[Carmo]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch................

If it were me, I would demerge the the combined woodville/ west torrens club. I think west torrens was in the most dire straights so I would let woodville take all the current merged clubs facilities, players and finances etc, I would ressurect west torrens, they would then become crows reserves. This would allow the Woodville tradition to continue. It would allow all the SANFL clubs to go on as is. The bye would disappear. It would allow west torrens to begin again and the crows would be on a par with the Power who have the magpies. All crows and power list players pull out of other sanfl teams and join the aligned team. Since west torrens doesnt exist there is no one from that club to get their nose out of joint over the whole issue.

Easy fixed.

Next.

- Well you get the concept anyway, needs a few details to be sorted but I think the concept is sound.

 

[FR0GGY]

I don't know the exact answer but i don't think a crows reserve side could ever be made from a current sanfl side. It would have to be a completely new side.

 

[JP Sauce]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch................

If it were me, I would demerge the the combined woodville/ west torrens club. I think west torrens was in the most dire straights so I would let woodville take all the current merged clubs facilities, players and finances etc, I would ressurect west torrens, they would then become crows reserves. This would allow the Woodville tradition to continue. It would allow all the SANFL clubs to go on as is. The bye would disappear. It would allow west torrens to begin again and the crows would be on a par with the Power who have the magpies. All crows and power list players pull out of other sanfl teams and join the aligned team. Since west torrens doesnt exist there is no one from that club to get their nose out of joint over the whole issue.

Easy fixed.

Next.

- Well you get the concept anyway, needs a few details to be sorted but I think the concept is sound.

This would leave Torrens fans with no club. If you're going to de-merge clubs you may as well just make a new Crows SANFL team.

 

[Coopers]

Surely the crows + port team would make a farce out of the SANFL?

The two teams featuring 15 AFL listed players every week would play off in the grand final every year.

 

[Coopers]

I'm all for a Crows Reserve side in an AFL reserves competition. I'm deadset against a Crows Reserves side competing in the SANFL.

You know, I'd probably watch the crows in this comp on TV in favour of certain other AFL games.

I doubt I'd attend a game... but maybe. Certainly the TV rights would be worth a bit you'd think.

And the AFL has shitloads of money, they could make this happen.

 

[headache1]

Surely the crows + port team would make a farce out of the SANFL?

The two teams featuring 15 AFL listed players every week would play off in the grand final every year.

Don't see why this would happen. Port Melbourne smashed everyone this year in the VFL and they aren't alligned with any of the AFL clubs.

 

[jackster83]

Surely the crows + port team would make a farce out of the SANFL?

The two teams featuring 15 AFL listed players every week would play off in the grand final every year.

LOL the majority of the guys we had playing SANFL all year were pretty shit anyway. Cook, Sellar, Armstrong, Hendo, Tambling, Symes and Young were hardly a class above. Gunston was the only one who dominated at SANFL level this year (Vince as well in the 2 or 3 games he played there).

 

[macca23]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch................

If it were me, I would demerge the the combined woodville/ west torrens club. I think west torrens was in the most dire straights so I would let woodville take all the current merged clubs facilities, players and finances etc, I would ressurect west torrens, they would then become crows reserves. This would allow the Woodville tradition to continue. It would allow all the SANFL clubs to go on as is. The bye would disappear. It would allow west torrens to begin again and the crows would be on a par with the Power who have the magpies. All crows and power list players pull out of other sanfl teams and join the aligned team. Since west torrens doesnt exist there is no one from that club to get their nose out of joint over the whole issue.

Easy fixed.

Next.

- Well you get the concept anyway, needs a few details to be sorted but I think the concept is sound.

As a West Torrens man through and through, this naturally sounds very good to me.

 

[Schulzycrow]

You would find that by the middle of the season with injuries etc getting 15 Crows players into a reserves team would be a hard task. Look at our last two seasons to see this. Going towards the end of the season there was stuff all to pick for our main 21 plus emergencies.

Both Port and the Crows would be strong at the beginning of the year, but as has been seen in the VFL stand alone ressie teams don't dominate. This said the need for both AFL sides to have more say in their players should be the over riding factor in having a reserve side somewhere, more cost effective to have it here, but it will happen.

AFL will push for it eventually if only to be a level playing field for all sides.

 

[Huntercrow]

A local reserves side playing as a curtain raiser for every Crows and Power home game would be an ideal way of selling memberships.

"See the future stars of the AFL fight it out before the main game".

This would also produce a clash every showdown between the two ressy sides.
It could be billed as a "preview to future showdowns" or something like that but the SANFL need to help their two licensees with the scheduling so for their part they need to get the local clubs on board for this to happen.

However my impression is the SANFL priority is to their member clubs before the Crows/Power which is the main problem for the AFL clubs so they are unlikely to do anything that might detract from the "integrity" of their competition.