Vic Daniel Andrews and the Statue of Limitations

[Gralin]

I mean I wouldn't front an inquiry run by Canavan and McKenzie either

You do gotta give McKenzie points for trying to put herself on the side of Integrity in Sports though

Also apparently according to her she's having to do Albo's job for him by running this inquiry that nobody has to turn up to.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Auditor Generals numbers on the costs though so see how it compares to the figures Andrews claimed

 

[Satan]

Isn't it an Upper House Inquiry in the Victorian Parliament?

Yes and andrews wont appear because lower house mp dont have too

 

[Gralin]

Isn't it an Upper House Inquiry in the Victorian Parliament?

the article linked was talking about the federal and state ones

the Upper House one in Vic I think they should have to deal with but again they can't be compelled to deal with it.

the one I talked about in the last post I wouldn't both with at all

 

[Carn The Berries]

Who knew a global inflationary crisis and worsened supply constraints could change the economic calculus.

The Reserve Bank certainly didn't, which is the body that advises the state and federal governments on macroeconomic trends.

Inflationary pressures caused a $2.6bn "project" to blow out to (allegedly) $6-$7bn? What supply constraints would have impacted the Comm Games exactly?

 

[Gough]

Canada wising up too.

Canadian province Alberta cancels bid for 2030 Commonwealth Games

It comes weeks after the Australian state of Victoria pulled out of hosting the 2026 Games.

www.bbc.com

 

[FIGJAM]

And here come the conspiracy theories. Again.

Lighten up bud! It was a 'back of envelope' joke FFS!!

FWIW, I'm sure they would have at least used the latest release of Lotus 1-2-3.

 

[The Punter]

Canada wising up too.

Canadian province Alberta cancels bid for 2030 Commonwealth Games

It comes weeks after the Australian state of Victoria pulled out of hosting the 2026 Games.

www.bbc.com

They cancelled their bid before they were awarded the games. The Canadians are wisER.

 

[kalex6251]

fully expect canadian officials to be called to appear before the 2 inquiries now under way ..... mckenzie can invite them all out for a bang-up meal at her 'local'* gun club to sweeten the invite

*is there a gun club in south melbourne?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

They cancelled their bid before they were awarded the games. The Canadians are wisER.

It's been indicated that it was informed by Victoria's decision.

Andrews making the hard choices and leading the way again.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Unsurprisingly, Dan the Grub doesn't have the guts to front an enquiry about the games debacle

Why wouldn't he appear if he has nothing to hide?

MSN

The party that runs this state is neither here nor there. But damn do we need a better Premier. Gutless wonder.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

The last polling was 53-47. I think it being around the same at the moment is a reasonable analysis.



See, this is the tactic many of the Andrewsstans use so effectively. Andrews' rhetoric on his opposition is that they're irrelevant, but his social media foot soldiers will blame anything he does on the influence of a party he considers irrelevant and a media he doesn't engage with.

In any reasonable analysis, you can't have it both ways. If there is very few examples of bad debt, the decision to cut this service is indefensible. But this is a government happy to slug a private school that ONLY educates special needs kids because its fees are high. Why would you want your kids in the public system if Andrews is removing support and you have the means to look after your kid in the way you see suitable? Most of the commentary about private schools completely ignores the basic human compulsion to use every reasonable means to make things better for your own children, a compulsion that is not learned behaviour but human nature - like the belief that if you work harder, you should earn more.

The Andrews Government is solely to blame for this, and governments ALWAYS need to endure a higher level of scrutiny and accountability than oppositions because they are the government. Don't do as they say when they say "look over there".

Spinning yourself into knots mate, you don't got it.

The Libs opposed increased funding for public education knowing the result.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

fully expect canadian officials to be called to appear before the 2 inquiries now under way ..... mckenzie can invite them all out for a bang-up meal at her 'local'* gun club to sweeten the invite

*is there a gun club in south melbourne?

Someone may have to fill me in if they have the same hysterical fetish for wasting public money chasing phantoms or to prop up a rightwing news cycle?

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Canada wising up too.

Canadian province Alberta cancels bid for 2030 Commonwealth Games

It comes weeks after the Australian state of Victoria pulled out of hosting the 2026 Games.

www.bbc.com

Put a fork in her.

If Andrew's decision leads to the end of the Commonwealth Games, that'd be a significant achievement.

 

[Saint]

So winning one lower house seat, while losing 3 in the upper house is an "absolute landslide" now?

I'm not suggestion the Libs are making ground. The Vic Libs are dead in the water. Their entire platform seems to be 'we're just like labor, but not as corrupt'. In a fight against a party that lost 6.2% of their 1st pref vote, the libs managed to...lose 0.71% of their own first pref votes! If they were a serious opposition Dan wouldn't have done nearly as well as he did...but they're not.

But back to the ALP....6.2% 1st pref and 2.3% 2PP swing against, and they still won a seat. Think about that for a while. I'm not suggesting anything untoward (cough), but gee those redistributions worked in the ALP's favor didn't they?

I think the last platform was "We're just like Labor, but corrupt in a different way" Why else would they have Matt Guy as their leader?

I think there will be a big swing against ALP in Vic at the next election, but it's a long way away, so unsure if that swing will be further splintering to independents, Greens or back to the Libs. All the Libs have to do is not look stupid and they hubris of this Andrews Govt will bring it down.

I'm not sure they're upsetting a lot of people who weren't perennially upset, but I'm also not sure who is still 100% onside with the Vic ALP at the moment (other than those perennially onside with them).

 

[eagleskickass]

I wonder if the UK could host 2026 as a 'last hurrah'!

 

[The Punter]

Honest question - what is bad about the Commonwealth Games?

Is it merely the cost?

Is it merely celebrating anything to do with the British Empire?

I don't think they are a big deal, and the cost makes it very hard to excuse the expense, but in end it's a multi-sport event where a number of people who don't get to the Olympics are able to compete and get a lot out of doing so.

I am asking how is it bad, not how is it "meh".

 

[Gralin]

I just don't see a justification for spending the money on it when we don't have spare cash to waste and already underfund essential services that need it

Like we we were fully funding education and health and public infrastructure and had money to burn sure, put it on

but when the Government won't fund public schools to the level they have agreed to I don't want to see a single cent going to stuff like the commonwealth games or to professional sporting leagues for more stadium upgrades

 

[Sttew]

Honest question - what is bad about the Commonwealth Games?

Is it merely the cost?

Is it merely celebrating anything to do with the British Empire?

I don't think they are a big deal, and the cost makes it very hard to excuse the expense, but in end it's a multi-sport event where a number of people who don't get to the Olympics are able to compete and get a lot out of doing so.

I am asking how is it bad, not how is it "meh".

Valid question. Until Dan cancelled the 2026 Games you would not have thought support for the Commonwealth Games went down party lines, but here we are, and we have posters applauding the demise of what is the world’s second largest multi-sports event, and the fourth most watched global broadcast sports event, featuring athletes from 71 nations and territories.

Australia can still become a republic and remain part of the Commonwealth. 36 out of the 56 Commonwealth member states are republics.

What impact will the demise of the Commonwealth Games have on our Olympics success? Athletes are already saying it will impact because the Comm Games have served as a very useful springboard and because it is an event held 2 years before the Olympics, it has served as a tune up for our athletes

 

[The Punter]

I just don't see a justification for spending the money on it when we don't have spare cash to waste and already underfund essential services that need it

Like we we were fully funding education and health and public infrastructure and had money to burn sure, put it on

but when the Government won't fund public schools to the level they have agreed to I don't want to see a single cent going to stuff like the commonwealth games or to professional sporting leagues for more stadium upgrades

That's fine - it shouldn't be a priority. Lots of nice things should not be priorities for governments. But the chief cheerleader up there is banging on about the Canadians finally seeing the light on something intrinsically bad.

 

[Gralin]

That's fine - it shouldn't be a priority. Lots of nice things should not be priorities for governments. But the chief cheerleader up there is banging on about the Canadians finally seeing the light on something intrinsically bad.

i don't think there is a country in the world that could host the commonwealth games that would financially be in a position to do so unless they are happy to throw money away on something with very little prestige

the reality is that commercially it's not a good investment

politically it's not a good investment

so why would anyone touch it right now

 

[Gralin]

which again goes back to the biggest issue with this being that we bid on it in the first place

 

[Sttew]

i don't think there is a country in the world that could host the commonwealth games that would financially be in a position to do so unless they are happy to throw money away on something with very little prestige

the reality is that commercially it's not a good investment

politically it's not a good investment

so why would anyone touch it right now

Birmingham Games, Gold Coast Games, and the last Melbourne Games were successful. Whether you like them or not and whether you rate them or not, the Commonwealth Games are (or were) the 2nd biggest multi-sports event in the world.

But in April 2022 the Victorian government ought to have known better than anyone the state could not afford the 2026 Games, particularly if done as regional extravaganza. Regional Games would hardly be viable in the best of economic times given the sheer logistics involves.

 

[Satan]

Canada wising up too.

Canadian province Alberta cancels bid for 2030 Commonwealth Games

It comes weeks after the Australian state of Victoria pulled out of hosting the 2026 Games.

www.bbc.com

We believe the recent decision by the Victorian government to withdraw from the 2026 Commonwealth Games was a significant factor in Alberta's decision, as well as an over-dependence on taxpayers' support for the planning and delivery of the Games," a statement from Commonwealth Sport Canada said.

 

[Roylion]

Honest question - what is bad about the Commonwealth Games?

Nothing.

As I've said previously, not all games events have to be the size of the Olympics to be relevant or valid. The Commonwealth Games include athletes from 71 nations and territories, comprising approximately one third of the world’s population.

Other groups of countries united by historical, cultural or language similarities run their own multi-sport games.

For example:

• Francophone Games for French-speaking nations and communities. (56 member nations) - based on the old French Empire.
• Lusophony Games for Portuguese-speaking nations and communities. (12 member nations)
• Pan Arab games, first held first in 1953, for Arabic-speaking nations.
• Islamic Solidarity Games first held in 2005, for all member states of the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation (57 member nations)
• Bolivarian games began in 1938, for countries liberated by Simon Bolivar (7 member nations)
• Games of the Small States of Europe
• Island Games for teams from several islands and other small territories (27 participants)
• Maccabiah Games for Jewish athletes worldwide
• African Games
• Baltic Sea Games
• Pan American Games
• Central American and Caribbean Games
• Central American Games
• South American Games
• Asian Games
• South-East Asian Games
• East Asian Games
• West Asian Games
• Central Asian Games
• South Asian Games
• European Games
• Mediterranean Games
• Pacific Games
• Indian Ocean Island Games

If the Commonwealth games have no value, then surely the above listed games are equally of no value.

Many regard the Commonwealth Games as a gateway to podium performances at the Olympic Games. Athletes are able to assess how they are they are progressing midway through the four year cycle of preparation for the Olympics while also comparing how they measure up to some of their main Olympic competitors (in the Commonwealth) during a large international sporting event.

 

[The Punter]

which again goes back to the biggest issue with this being that we bid on it in the first place

So we could educate the Canadians.