Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Eddie basically confirmed the deal today on his radio show. He's been a great president but he needs to explain why the club are going back on their word.

They arent going back on their word. They have got an improved offer out of Brisbane after a week of stalemate so negotiations are now open again. But other clubs can now join the party if they like. Unlikely Beams will end up elsewhere but they will talk to other clubs if they need to.

Besides, they dont owe you anything. They have a job to do to get a deal done.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

And now for the flip side of the coin...

Pick 5 = Scott Pendlebury

Greenwood = one vote of the best & fairest of a top 4 team, best ever season, close output to Beams' outside of goal kicking

Crisp = rated youngsters with potential, clearly if we take him Hine & co see something in him, otherwise he'd go to Essendon in a another trade

But I'm sure the fact the Boyd may go to the Dogs is a sign of their clear great management that has their captain walking out, coach resigning, Cooney, Higgins, Tutt, Jones all wanting out.

Even if we had the absolute worse list management in the league, you shouldn't entertain the thought of giving up your membership.

I'm from Europe and sat through year after year of crap from my soccer club, and never thought of giving up on my membership. Your club should mean more to you than the way it managed the 2014 trade period.

I agree with your analysis. I think its the best deal we're going to get for Collingwood. Greenwood and Crisp were both wanted by other clubs before coming to us. They both fulfil a need. Pick 5 is going to net us a good player. We lose in the short term with Beams going to Brisbane, but over time of say the next 5 years we may even come out ahead of the Brisbane deal. The key to the deal is who we recruit at pick 5 (up to Hine).

 

[MagpieJoel]

It's our twitter account, https://twitter.com/CollingwoodFC
They don't tweet every rumour and I reckon they only tweet what is likely to happen

Been on the Facebook page lately? That's what they have been doing all week.

 

[MeisterBot]

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne...2014/10/brisbane-lions-jack-crisp-trade-news/

It shits me we get more information on these trades on his radio show rather than the official one.

A play for Dayne Beams that involve five clubs could see Crisp end up in Brisbane

I like the sound of that.

(Will not lie that I am massively disappointed if we are going to cave after the strong stance we took on Friday).

 

[PieNSauce]

PieNSauce: You have been playing with semantics this morning.

Whilst it may not have been a stright out lie, it is reneging on a position represented to the public and more importantly to the Collingwood members and supporters.

To renege on the statement within less than 1 business day is feeble and weak.

The public is smart enough to know what posturing is, that is the artifical timeframe given to the public and Brisbane to negotiate a trade.

To made a public statement which vehemently cemented the thoughts of 98% of Collingwood supporters and members and then backflip so soon on that statement is disgraceful.

Obviously you and the few others that support your position are content with Collingwood becoming a feeder club.

I have been dealing with facts. I can certainly understand that not everyone interprets the words the same way but it is not semantics to say that the club's statement at no point stated that negotiations could not recommence nor would it have been sensible or logical to do so. To assume that the club's intention was to cynically mislead its members is an absolute nonsense. It simply stated what needed to be said so the its trading strategy could move on. The club has a responsibility to do what is in the interest of the members even if at times that means it cannot be totally transparent. From what I have seen that is exactly what it is doing.

 

[spartan-magpie]

Does anyone here have any contacts inside the club??

Why isn't the club quashing this crisp proposal? As mentioned earlier why haven't any other Brisbane players come out and requested a trade to us?

Gees, even the dogs have convinced Boyd to want to come to them - this kid is more valuable than Griffen. I can't understand why we aren't in this position also?

I read somewhere that Connors has basically blackmailed us into choosing Brisbane because I we don't apparently beams camp will come out and say bucket this and that.

If that's the case, then we should get the afl I loved and get beams deregistered for trying to bring the club into disrepute.

If we buckle on this, especially hear that, I'll never have faith in this administration again.

It's like we have no legs to stand in when we clearly do. Make an example of him. If it costs us a few games - so be it. If the club does the right thing the supporters will understand.

 

[Jande]

They have got an improved offer out of Brisbane

Getting a fringe Lions player is not of level of improvement that makes you go back in your statement.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

After all the bagging out Hanley gave his ex teammates this time last year, there is no way he was going to walk. Same with Aish. Will play in SA if anywhere later in his career. Redden was untouchable. Mayes was probably the one they thought they had an outside chance with, but no cigar. The first week was just a tree-shaking exercise for Collingwood.

 

[Anzacday]

Been on the Facebook page lately? That's what they have been doing all week.

Just had a quick look and it appears to be similar to to twitter if not identical, they aren't posting every rumour known to man.
They seem to be posting/tweeting about deals that are more likely than not to be done; which to me implies they've been agreed to in principle.
I don't get your point, have I missed something?

 

[MAGPIE2013]

hine must have something else planned with 5, otherwise i dont see him black flipping just like that. Hine may have worked out another deal with pick 5 with another club over the weekend.

 

[jonbe54]

Look AGAIN it's an OFFER which has yet to be accepted - no paperwork yet so it's obviously not a done deal - that's the first thing to remember.

Secondly anyone who considers that we will get a great deal for Beams under the circumstances really needs to go back to kinder, parity even will take some really hard negotiation - and that's IF Beams hasn't totally closed the door on other offers.

We are in a shitty situation and the club is attempting to do its due dillagence by all, no need to get hysterical or start hurling insults at each other - just take a breath, calm down and show a little respect for other posters.

Some of you are ranting you are ashamed of the club well some of you should be looking in the mirror first.

 

[eddiebankbalance]

I read somewhere that Connors has basically blackmailed us into choosing Brisbane because I we don't apparently beams camp will come out and say bucket this and that.

If that's the case, then we should get the afl I loved and get beams deregistered for trying to bring the club into disrepute.

I almost get the feeling Collingwood are setting Brisbane up, could get interesting

 

[josephs_79]

Coming from the opposite side of the fence, I thought the press release\message from Collingwood was concluding the exclusivity talks with Brisbane and was opening the door up for all others to put their case forward (including this big 5 club deal) for a trade.

This has allowed the clubs to get to this point. I understand you guys want to shut us out and basically not want "to give in" to us but this will probably be the best outcome for all parties because you may, as others have suggested, use 5 for another trade and all along knew getting 5 last week allows you to work other trades this week and why a "deadline" was put on the talks.

Apologies if people don't like this but just wanted to add an outside view on the mail from the club.

 

[golazo]

hine must have something else planned with 5, otherwise i dont see him black flipping just like that. Hine may have worked out another deal with pick 5 with another club over the weekend.

It rhymes with Chewbacca

 

[Jande]

We are in a shitty situation

I'm more concerned at why we are in a shitty situation. Did we read the play? Were we blindsided? Have we railroaded ourself into this position?

 

[Apex36]

Look AGAIN it's an OFFER which has yet to be accepted - no paperwork yet so it's obviously not a done deal - that's the first thing to remember.

Secondly anyone who considers that we will get a great deal for Beams under the circumstances really needs to go back to kinder, parity even will take some really hard negotiation - and that's IF Beams hasn't totally closed the door on other offers.

We are in a shitty situation and the club is attempting to do its due dillagence by all, no need to get hysterical or start hurling insults at each other - just take a breath, calm down and show a little respect for other posters.

Some of you are ranting you are ashamed of the club well some of you should be looking in the mirror first.

A five way deal is not an offer, they have to be carefully nutted out by all involved clubs until everyone is happy.

We are way past the simple Beams for 5, 25 and Crisp "offer", so im not really sure where you're coming from here.

 

[RuFiO]

Getting a fringe Lions player is not of level of improvement that makes you go back in your statement.

Didn't you know?
Quantity > quality when it comes to trading.

 

[makethat2]

We probably don't for those players you mentioned. Hanley is an Irishman whose brother has recently been picked up by Brisbane. He would probably be treated well and amongst the highest earners at the club. He has no reason to come to Collingwood or to anywhere else for that matter. Aish is from SA and would be wise to stay at Brisbane next year. At the end of next year he will be in an incredibly strong bargaining position to either gain a massive pay rise from the Lions or to get himself back to SA.

Even if you're the best run and most desirable club going around it can be difficult to persuade people to leave if they're not unhappy or homesick etc. The only leverage you have in the end is money.

People complaining about potential Boyd or Beams deals (neither of which is complete) would be wise to remember that not only do the clubs have to agree but the players also. Beams has shafted us by only nominating Brisbane, whereas Griffen has chosen a club that has oodles of players that are willing to leave as well as lots of picks. Lucky for WB, bad luck for us.

5 + 25 + Crisp is not what I had hoped for but is pretty close to a fair deal. If there are no serious offers elsewhere or Beams is refusing to go elsewhere this should be taken.

Clearly we didn't hope for this outcome. It's the club who emailed us saying we won't accept anything other then 5 and a good player. They backed them selves into the corner. Explanation needed.

 

[MagpieJoel]

I don't get your point, have I missed something?

Yes. They are reporting what is reported in the media. They have been doing it since free agency week. It means nothing.

They have posted about Dangerfield etc.

 

[danielnajdek]

It rhymes with Chewbacca

Ah crap we are going after Schoenmakers.

 

[jmac70]

I'm more concerned at why we are in a shitty situation. Did we read the play? Were we blindsided? Have we railroaded ourself into this position?

No, yes and yes.

 

[jonbe54]

I'm more concerned at why we are in a shitty situation. Did we read the play? Were we blindsided? Have we railroaded ourself into this position?

There is no smoking gun apparently but it seems like Swann approached Beams mid season and arranged and exclusive trade, if Beams sticks to that and refuses to go to another club our options are basically non-existent - take the deal offered or keep Beams on the books for another year.

 

[jonbe54]

A five way deal is not an offer, they have to be carefully nutted out by all involved clubs until everyone is happy.

We are way past the simple Beams for 5, 25 and Crisp "offer", so im not really sure where you're coming from here.

Oh ok so its a non-offer?

Jeezuz

 

[Anzacday]

Yes. They are reporting what is reported in the media. They have been doing it since free agency week. It means nothing.
They have posted about Dangerfield etc.

Ok fair enough - thanks

 

[Enforcer]

Does anyone here have any contacts inside the club??

Why isn't the club quashing this crisp proposal? As mentioned earlier why haven't any other Brisbane players come out and requested a trade to us?

Gees, even the dogs have convinced Boyd to want to come to them - this kid is more valuable than Griffen. I can't understand why we aren't in this position also?

I read somewhere that Connors has basically blackmailed us into choosing Brisbane because I we don't apparently beams camp will come out and say bucket this and that.

If that's the case, then we should get the afl I loved and get beams deregistered for trying to bring the club into disrepute.

If we buckle on this, especially hear that, I'll never have faith in this administration again.

It's like we have no legs to stand in when we clearly do. Make an example of him. If it costs us a few games - so be it. If the club does the right thing the supporters will understand.

I share your frustration spartan-magpie however I have decided to not get too worked up over the Beams trade until I hear something official from the Collingwood Football Club.

Not interested in rumours, FB, what others have heard, what others have read in on-line forums, tweets, media articles, etc.

Our club has demonstrated that it does not conduct their business through the media, a decision or announcement will only be made when they see fit.

This mooted trade with Brisbane may well go ahead however with the news of Boyd wanting out changes the landscape and may delay deals until the dust has settled.

For me, good news will be no decision on Beam or anyone else today.