Mega Thread Delist/Trade/Draft Super-mega-ultrathread

[dajesmac]

PRANKSTER666 Bigfooty is failing at letting me quote your post.

Think we have much more pressing needs than a ruck/KPF.

KPD's and inside midfielders namely.

 

[NSLK]

I don't see the position as Nicoski v Hill at all - I see it as Nicoski v McGinnity and Hill v Dick (though I see the irony in that Hill and Dick don't play the same position either).

McGinnity could also push Selwood out (of a fully fit 22) in his own right for a different role - but he did play the defensive forward role well late in the year.

Masten Darling Hill
Nicoski Kennedy LeCras

would work fine, with Cox and Naitanui rotating through there too.


EDIT - Discussion from the previous page, forgot to quote.

 

[QS]

Do we need a 4th ruckman on the main list though? Would have thought the rookie list would have been better

A Lynch type

 

[The Dodger]

Its not like Nicoski's year was any better than Hill's 2012 anyway. They both averaged the exact same amount of goals and behinds per game. Hill brings more skills like his marking so he should be in the team come round 1. Nicoski will be good depth.

I was also a fan of Hill's time through the middle. Something I am not sure Nico can do well.
So IMO Dick will be a better crumber than Nico and Hill offers a similar type of game that is slightly more flexible.

 

[erbenz]

It is interesting to see how we'll go at the draft, because our needs are obviously

1) KPD
2) Inside Midfielders

(I'd put these on the same level of priority)

and 3) Rucks (Not because we desperately need one, but just rookie someone and see how he develops just in case Lycett doesn't come on).

Otherwise, we have a very strong and even list.

I'm of the opinion that, especially in light of free agency's ability to fill up list deficiencies with relative ease, it is generally better to go for best available and develop. However, given how deep we're starting in the draft, it might be better to get our needs and back our development staff in, especially since we're in the middle of a window and the players we get are more likely to be part of the 2nd window that Woosha is planning post-Kerr/Glass.

I just feel we can take a few calculated risks; especially since we were smart with the age of the players we traded in this off-season (all under 25 with room for improvement).

 

[QS]

When we are balls deep in a draft though, I think it's a bit like backing a $22 horse to win.. Oh wait...

 

[PRANKSTER666]

The type of inside mids we will get at 40+ plus will be a) slow and/or b) have rubbish disposal. If they didn't they would go much higher, as we all know inside mids with speed and good disposal are quality.

Who would have thought we would need to top up on inside mids a year or two ago.

What we get at picks 40 and 60 are going to have glaring weaknesses so I would rather they be big guys who are yet to develop properly, i.e. possible late developers. A young ruckman and a key position defender would be good types to target this year with our picks given our position in the draft, so we need to take risks to uncover a gem..

The reason I asked about Mr Bean is that mid range ruckmen tend to slide and he will require a heap of development and weight to be put on his light frame, looks very much a project player (this is Notte a cue for jokes) which clubs are less likely to take risks with.

 

[keviewiggle]

Couldn't see him playing for at least 3 years so will be post Cox era and I have a bad feeling about Lycett. Reckon one of the Adelaide clubs will throw the kitchen sink at him if he develops well under Cox and NicNats tutelage. And we all know good ruckman are hard to find and worth plenty at the trade table so you always get something back for them if they do become surplus.

I would like another one on the rookie list too, either a mature WAFL ruckman or a maturing one for insurance.

Lycett comes from Ceduna. It's not like Adelaide is just up the road. He is actually closer to WA than Adelaide.
His parents were really happy when he was recruited by the Eagles.

 

[kane249]

A Lynch type

Still think McGovern could be our answer to that. He's about 193cm with a decent leap and just needs to be able to at least contest like Lynch did who was a similar height.

Not saying he should be our long term second ruck, but can at least be our hail mary option if we are desperate for someone to contest.

 

[kane249]

Lycett comes from Ceduna. It's not like Adelaide is just up the road. He is actually closer to WA than Adelaide.
His parents were really happy when he was recruited by the Eagles.

Was recruited from the Port Magpies though wasn't he? Given the ties and their lack of really good options coming through I wouldn't be surprised if Port make a play for him in the near future

 

[dajesmac]

The type of inside mids we will get at 40+ plus will be a) slow and/or b) have rubbish disposal. If they didn't they would go much higher, as we all know inside mids with speed and good disposal are quality.

Sam Lowrie, Shane Nelson, Adam Carter

3 inside mids (or potential inside mids) that could possibly be around at our pick that all have good/decent disposal and are all quick.

 

[dajesmac]

Was recruited from the Port Magpies though wasn't he? Given the ties and their lack of really good options coming through I wouldn't be surprised if Port make a play for him in the near future

Sounds like there's already been alot of interest in Lycett over the past couple of years already.

 

[NSLK]

Lycett told the club if he was aligned to Peel next year, he wouldn't sign a new contract.

 

[beatlesmith]

I'd argue he already provided that in spades in 2011. Or is my memory failing me already?

I think it's a strength of his, but given that he was playing fairly deep in 2011, it was more a case of being a good chase and tackler rather than actually putting on any tagging jobs, which is what I'd like to see him do. If he could push up onto the HFF and do tagging jobs on Shaw, Enright, Birchall et al, he'd be a great asset to us, giving much more offensive potency than Mcginnity in the same role.

I agree Hills marking is very good but so is Lecras . Hill is like a poor mans Lecras.
Nicoski mixes it up a bit more but it's great to have the luxury of choice. Even adding Dick I the mix.
Many opportunities to cash in on difference opposition teams weaknesses.
Makes us very unpredictable . Looking forward to seeing forward line structure in 2013.

Hill's marking is a bit better than Lecras', who isn't as likely to float across a pack and take a contested mark.
Honestly I wouldn't drop Hill unless we decided to put McInnes/Brown in the forward line full time, or if Nicoski/Dick's form and Hill's lack of form demanded it. I really like the idea of Hill and Lecras as 4th and 5th marking options, as they would be unlikely the get the O'Brien/Tarrant like mismatches that they have in the past.

 

[kane249]

With Cox's renaissance of form these last 2 years it's going to be hard to find a spot for him barring injury. Lynch leaving does open up a space but i'm not sure he's a good replacement for him and McInnes would be a better fit for the forward line.

 

[Masto]

Still think McGovern could be our answer to that. He's about 193cm with a decent leap and just needs to be able to at least contest like Lynch did who was a similar height.

Not saying he should be our long term second ruck, but can at least be our hail mary option if we are desperate for someone to contest.

Surely you are not serious. He would be murdered by any genuine AFL ruckman.

 

[kane249]

Surely you are not serious. He would be murdered by any genuine AFL ruckman.

If the 192cm Lynch can at least provide a contest I don't see why it's such a stretch that McGovern can't. Please don't start up with the height thing again either as it's been proven his height on the Eagles profile page is wrong.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Sam Lowrie, Shane Nelson, Adam Carter

3 inside mids (or potential inside mids) that could possibly be around at our pick that all have good/decent disposal and are all quick.

Only one of those three is better on the inside than he is on the outside and thats Nelson. Carter is all class but he's got question marks over his best position, 179cm and not a strong inside midfielder at this stage. Much cleaner and more effective when he gets into space. Lowrie the same but at least he's got the size.

Surely you are not serious. He would be murdered by any genuine AFL ruckman.

Around the ground he doesn't have the strength or weight to go with ruckmen like Lynch. Although the new rules would make McGovern more competitive.

Centre bounce downs he's a better option than Lynch.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

The type of inside mids we will get at 40+ plus will be a) slow and/or b) have rubbish disposal. If they didn't they would go much higher, as we all know inside mids with speed and good disposal are quality.

Just like Beams and Sloane.

And pace is over rated.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Sam Lowrie, Shane Nelson, Adam Carter

3 inside mids (or potential inside mids) that could possibly be around at our pick that all have good/decent disposal and are all quick.

Haven't followed the talent that closely this year given our picks so not sure who Lowrie is but I'm confident Carter or Nelson will never be top quality genuine midfielders at AFL level.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Just like Beams and Sloane.

And pace is over rated.

Thanks for those two, give me a few weeks to compile a list of those who havent made it taken around those picks.

 

[TheLad!]

Lycett told the club if he was aligned to Peel next year, he wouldn't sign a new contract.

when did that happen? pasta source?

more details needed

 

[Patron]

I doubt that is true. Peel is pretty bad though...

 

[dajesmac]

Only one of those three is better on the inside than he is on the outside and thats Nelson. Carter is all class but he's got question marks over his best position, 179cm and not a strong inside midfielder at this stage. Much cleaner and more effective when he gets into space. Lowrie the same but at least he's got the size.

You could argue Shuey is better on the outside than he is on the inside, he still plays inside. But fair enough, I see your point re: those individual players.

 

[dajesmac]

Lycett probably Peel is the worst place for him to develop.

Is he meant to play for EP this season or 2014?