Diggins on the attack....again

[mediumsizered]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Carlton-AFL-director-attacks-president/2007/01/14/1168709600885.html
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I wonder what Simon Wilson & Marcus Rose have done to incur her wrath.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Good on her.

As i keep saying, you all accuse people of living with their heads in teh sand. When someone comes out and tries to throw out a bit of truth, we dont like what she says, so we excuse it all as lies or anger or whatever.

This is our club. Have you ever stopped and thought that maybe there is some truth to what she says? Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps change is needed?

It's embarrassing. How much longer do we have to be in this hole for?!!?! I want my club back to being the best.

Time for change. Or we can keep living with our heads in teh sand.

 

[mediumsizered]

Good on her.

As i keep saying, you all accuse people of living with their heads in teh sand. When someone comes out and tries to throw out a bit of truth, we dont like what she says, so we excuse it all as lies or anger or whatever.

This is our club. Have you ever stopped and thought that maybe there is some truth to what she says? Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps change is needed?

It's embarrassing. How much longer do we have to be in this hole for?!!?! I want my club back to being the best.

Time for change. Or we can keep living with our heads in teh sand.

Do we know what Wilson & Rose have done wrong, though? Or is it guilt by association? If by some strange quirk of fate she is re-elected to the board, she is going to find herself quite isolated, I would suggest. She is now burning a lot of bridges.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

She certainly is Mediumsizered. I agree with what you have written. My post was just me being fed up with it all, and wanting a fresh start for my club.

However, the thing is - why would she come out and say all this? because as you said, she is doing herself no favours with anyone on the inside of CFC. If she does get re-elected as you have mentioned, she will find it tough. That is why it is important to ask why she has come out and said all these things about people.

I'm sure there is a reason. Not sure if it's guilt-by-association, but i just dont think she'd come out and say somethign for no reason. Because she really is doing herself no favours. That is why she gets my vote.

 

[mediumsizered]

She certainly is Mediumsizered. I agree with what you have written. My post was just me being fed up with it all, and wanting a fresh start for my club.

However, the thing is - why would she come out and say all this? because as you said, she is doing herself no favours with anyone on the inside of CFC. If she does get re-elected as you have mentioned, she will find it tough. That is why it is important to ask why she has come out and said all these things about people.

I'm sure there is a reason. Not sure if it's guilt-by-association, but i just dont think she'd come out and say somethign for no reason. Because she really is doing herself no favours. That is why she gets my vote.

I wonder if it is the actions of someone who knows her days on the board are numbered & she is going to go down with all guns blazing. I would suggest her PR people have probably identified that she is in trouble & now she is doing everything to distance herself from the rest of the incumbents.

BTW, I too will be glad when this is all over, because I am sick to death of the feeding frenzy the media are enjoying at our club's expense. No wonder opposition supporters on here get stuck into us so much. There is always plenty of ammunition.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

There may be truth in what she says ... or she might be completely overreacting. Not sure if someone say something, we have to assume they are telling the truth, especially when Smorgon defended himself, everyone assumed he must be telling lies. If you are going to use benefit of the doubt to back someone, then surely objectivity dictates you have to give that same benefit of the doubt for the other person too.

I don't want to assume that just because someone against the Unity ticket says something, it must be true whereas if the board says something, they are just looking after their own interests.

Diggins is fairly and squarely looking after her own interests here, how much of it is completely factual, is the real question.

 

[Effes]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/Carlton-AFL-director-attacks-president/2007/01/14/1168709600885.html
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. I wonder what Simon Wilson & Marcus Rose have done to incur her wrath.

I think that's her point - they haven't achieved anything in their time on the board

 

[j-ham]

I wonder what Simon Wilson & Marcus Rose have done to incur her wrath.

I'd rather know what they have done to warrant being re-elected to the board.

 

[BlueBelle]

I'd rather know what they have done to warrant being re-elected to the board.

Agree. Action is needed and the candidates that have the best plan going forward will be getting my vote.

 

[mediumsizered]

I think that's her point - they haven't achieved anything in their time on the board

She has been on the board for the same period of time. What are her achievements?

 

[j-ham]

Us supporters don't get a say in who gets drafted or pick who plays from week to week, but I'm sure as hell not going to miss my chance to have make a difference on election day.

I don't think Diggins has done anything to warrant my vote either. Just because she is making some noise now doesn't make up for four years of sitting on her hands. The club has culled plenty of deadwood off the playing list the last couple of years and now it's our turn to do likewise to the board.

 

[Effes]

She has been on the board for the same period of time. What are her achievements?

Women of Carlton
Generation Blue

Can you tell me what Rose and Wilson have achieved?

 

[cfc05]

Effes do you have anything to support what your saying, Diggins is very little help to the Women of Carlton. She does what she wants, when she wants.

What she is saying might very well be right, but she has only come out to suit her own agenda - not for the good of the club.

 

[Silvagnis]

I'd rather know what they have done to warrant being re-elected to the board.

They haven't done much going by the sound of the posts in this thread.

Marcus Rose & Simon Wilson.

It's a bitch to have some info (read Molsey) and using it to decide who to vote for.

I guess we should all vote for UNITY so we don't have good board members and we can maintain the status quo of running a tight ship. After all, our ship is on course and we're not shuffling the deckchairs whilst heading straight for an iceberg.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

haha how do you all know she's just doign this to suit her own agenda?

You all accuse everyone else of living with their heads in the sand, yet when someone does come out, you accuse her of doing it for every reason but the benefit of the club. Wake up to yourselves - our club is screwed and the longer we keep going this way, the harder it will be to get out of it.

Diggins had a bit to do with the set up of the Women of Carlton/ Generation Blue - she said so in her online chat.

How do you know it is not for the good of the club? how do you know it's only for her own agenda. She put her neck on the line coming out with what she has said. I dont think she did it for brownie points. The point is WE DO NOT KNOW! We all think we're experts, when in fact, we have no idea why they have done the things they have, and to what agenda. Everyone is an expert on here. The truth is, we are not experts, yet we all seem to know why everyone has done something. We don't know. It is only one person's word against another person's thoughts.

Smorgan needs to get out. I'm sick of all the political crap that goes on at our club. i am sick of him not sticking up for our club, and when he does, he ignites no passion, no enthusiasm, it is simple the sub-standard media remarks. I want a passionate leader who gives us hope and quite frankly, Smorgan has not done this in his time at the club.

Fresh start, new people. Unless of course, whoever is in after this AGM stays put until a bigger, better ticket is finally formed, and they take over and help lift our club back up where it belongs.

It's all very easy living under the sand isn't it!?!?!

Nothing to see here people, move along...

 

[Silvagnis]

Effes do you have anything to support what your saying, Diggins is very little help to the Women of Carlton. She does what she wants, when she wants.

What she is saying might very well be right, but she has only come out to suit her own agenda - not for the good of the club.

And Smorgon's agenda isn't an act of self preservation?

What possible reason did he have to increase the size of the board?

Other than putting patsies on the board and his ticket to boost his numbers, eg, Ralph Carr.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

They haven't done much going by the sound of the posts in this thread.

Marcus Rose & Simon Wilson.

It's a bitch to have some info (read Molsey) and using it to decide who to vote for.

Molsey was asking what he had done, he didn't say he hadn't done anything. He gave his opinion on what a merchant banker does and said that the list of Rose's 'outside' accomplishments was overstated.

I'm amazed at how every post, every article, every whisper, is taken, re-interpreted and then packaged to suit an argument.

I want this over with. We are seeing unlikeable qualities in all board members and prospective board members and the supporters even more so. None of us debate anymore, just spruik for a cause it seems.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Diggins is fairly and squarely looking after her own interests here,

But how do you know this ODN?

It seems to me that our club is an off-field shambles, and we dont seem to be improving.

 

[Silvagnis]

haha how do you all know she's just doign this to suit her own agenda?

You all accuse everyone else of living with their heads in the sand, yet when someone does come out, you accuse her of doing it for every reason but the benefit of the club. Wake up to yourselves - our club is screwed and the longer we keep going this way, the harder it will be to get out of it.

Diggins had a bit to do with the set up of the Women of Carlton/ Generation Blue - she said so in her online chat.

How do you know it is not for the good of the club? how do you know it's only for her own agenda. She put her neck on the line coming out with what she has said. I dont think she did it for brownie points. The point is WE DO NOT KNOW! We all think we're experts, when in fact, we have no idea why they have done the things they have, and to what agenda. Everyone is an expert on here. The truth is, we are not experts, yet we all seem to know why everyone has done something. We don't know. It is only one person's word against another person's thoughts.

Smorgan needs to get out. I'm sick of all the political crap that goes on at our club. i am sick of him not sticking up for our club, and when he does, he ignites no passion, no enthusiasm, it is simple the sub-standard media remarks. I want a passionate leader who gives us hope and quite frankly, Smorgan has not done this in his time at the club.

Fresh start, new people. Unless of course, whoever is in after this AGM stays put until a bigger, better ticket is finally formed, and they take over and help lift our club back up where it belongs.

It's all very easy living under the sand isn't it!?!?!

Nothing to see here people, move along...

Well said!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

But how do you know this ODN?

It seems to me that our club is an off-field shambles, and we dont seem to be improving.

The club's position doesn't mean that Diggins isn't looking to protect her interests. She wants to remain on the board, that much is clear. She is not on a ticket and has little chance of bringing about change by herself. She just wants to protect what she has. She isn't bombarding the media again to inform people, she is on the campaign trail and giving it all she has. They are all being self serving at the moment.

On another note, the phrase 'head in the sand' is coming up a lot again. I noticed you said others were accusing the anti-Smorgon brigade of using it. I have noted that it is almost always the other side using it to belittle those that won't be swayed. In fact you have used it a fair bit of late? I'm curious as to why it is creeping in everywhere. THS/Synbad loves to use it but always meets with derision when he does it. It's not your usual form to set out to cause derision, but of late it seems to be very little but that. Let's not have classes of supporters, those that claim they know the facts and those that supposedly have their head in the sand. There are some very intelligent people on both sides of this argument, and we don't want to create a divide that lasts long after the election. My thoughts ....

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

And Smorgon's agenda isn't an act of self preservation?

everyone seems to be able to overlook this thought. unfortunately.



Time for change.

 

[GYNO]

She wont be re-elected so she's going out with a bang. Having a bitch, thats all this is. The only thing thats come of this other than her getting it off her chest (pretty unprofessional) is that its Carlton in the media yet again for shyte, bad news shyte..............

i dont know what i'm talking about - does anyone?????

 

[Silvagnis]

Molsey was asking what he had done, he didn't say he hadn't done anything. He gave his opinion on what a merchant banker does and said that the list of Rose's 'outside' accomplishments was overstated.

I'm amazed at how every post, every article, every whisper, is taken, re-interpreted and then packaged to suit an argument.

I want this over with. We are seeing unlikeable qualities in all board members and prospective board members and the supporters even more so. None of us debate anymore, just spruik for a cause it seems.

It's not being packaged to suit and argument but it just re-affirms my view that Smorgon and his cronies need to replaced after being on the board for four years. This part of one of Molsey's posts is a good question given Smorgon claimed Rose is a successfull merchant banker and wants him re-elected.

For Christ's sake he's been with us for 4 years and is his finger-print on any one of our financial initiatives?

What has Rose done to deserve to be re-elected?

Can anyone answer this question?

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

But ODN, how do you know that she isn't doing it to inform people?

It's not your usual form to set out to cause derision, but of late it seems to be very little but that.

So what, just because i have an opinion, you call it " out to cause derision"? Just because my opinion may differ to yours, does not make it wrong. Just because i have voiced my opinions does not mean i am ridiculing anyone. Just because you are a moderator does not make you a higher person of thought than i am. We are both entitled to our own opinions, right or wrong, and there should be room for healthy debate.

"But of late, it seems to be very little but that..." that is unneccessary and unhealthy. I am entitled to my opinions without someone telling me i am ridiculing or setting out to upset this board. For god's sake, there is an AGM coming up, and I am not the only one who is fed up with our club's off-field dramas.

Just because i have been stating my views on Change does not make me a poster of lesser worth, or someone out to cause derision.

Of late, i have voiced my opinions more frequently on the board issue. That is true. However, to cause derision is not something i do on these carlton boards.

It is quite unneccesary for you to accuse me of that. an AGM is a serious thing, and we are all entitled to discuss it, whether we have similar views or not.

As for your head in the sand comment - i have never claimed to know the facts. That is the point of what i have written - the fact that we just do not know!! I said 'head in teh sand' because it has been thrown around here a lot leading up to this AGM, and i find it odd that people have been asking for some insight into the club's board, adn when someone tries to give it, they accuse her of doing it for the wrong reason.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

everyone seems to be able to overlook this thought. unfortunately.



Time for change.

See, this is the double standard. Nobody is overlooking Smorgon's self interest, I guarantee you that there is more derogatory stuff about Smorgon on the Carlton forums than there is about Diggins or any other board member. I guarantee that!!!!! 100%. Smorgon has copped it every which way, but when someone against Smorgon cops it, then she is just telling it how it is.

People are so set on change, regardless of what that change is, that if offends them to see one shred of support or any defence of the current board whatsoever. They see every defence as being magnified and undoing their campaign for change, so much so that there is an extreme exaggeration where they believe there is more pro-Smorgon stuff than anti-Smorgon stuff.

I have never ever seen an issue debated on so much opinion, circumstantial evidence and bandwagoning, in my whole life. I have never seen so many supporters denigrate their fellow supporters and offer us so much rhetoric. I think both sides need to take a chill pill, sit back, take a deep breath and read their posts before pressing submit.

Remember I guarantee there is more anti-Smorgon posts than pro-Smorgon. Anybody want to take the time to call me on that? So on the internet at least, Smorgon is a shot duck. Little pockets of support or defending inaccuracies mean diddly on here.

As stated above, who knows what the truth of most of these matters are? So on one hand, we are told that nobody knows, and on the other we are told that because there are issues, Smorgon must go. Geez, wouldn't it be good to create a ruckus at work and get the boss sacked because he should have stopped it?