Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[doppleganger]

Well I never said it was my claim, did I?

Correct you just make up shite and then claim it as fact and supported by "research".

 

[bzparkes]

Correct you just make up shite and then claim it as fact and supported by "research".

I quoted a player's research. Apparently that bit went above your limited brain capacity.

Regardless, last year was the only year Nick has finished top 5 in one of those stats(clearances) and was nowhere near it in the other years.

Just highlights the fact that umpires clearly value contested players over outside receivers.

 

[Worm4]

Run out of gas after a quarter

Went down like a sack of shit in the final against Brisbane early in the 3rd quarter and the lions ran through them after that.

 

[doppleganger]

I quoted a player's research. Apparently that bit went above your limited brain capacity.

You couldn't even get that right.

Regardless, last year was the only year Nick has finished top 5 in one of those stats(clearances) and was nowhere near it in the other years.

Nick was also top5 in CPs in 2024, it really ain't hard to check this stuff.

Just highlights the fact that umpires clearly value contested players over outside receivers.

Hahaha, you running with another fact!

Bailer Smith and Finn Callaghan went alright this year, the handball receive kings.

Umpires tend to award votes to the best midfielders in the game, so unsurprising that in the three seasons where Nick has played in the midfield that he has received more votes than any other player.

 

[doppleganger]

Went down like a sack of shit in the final against Brisbane early in the 3rd quarter and the lions ran through them after that.

That is the issue with DeGoey, has never really been fit since 2023.

We were never winning the PF with no impact from DeGoey (and Pendles).

 

[bzparkes]

You couldn't even get that right.

Nick was also top5 in CPs in 2024, it really ain't hard to check this stuff.

Hahaha, you running with another fact!

Bailer Smith and Finn Callaghan went alright this year, the handball receive kings.

Umpires tend to award votes to the best midfielders in the game, so unsurprising that in the three seasons where Nick has played in the midfield that he has received more votes than any other player.

Simple question: Who won the Brownlow and when was the last time an uncontested, outside receiver won it?

 

[doppleganger]

Simple question: Who won the Brownlow and when was the last time an uncontested, outside receiver won it?

What a stupid question.

The best midfielders can win their own ball. Even the handball receive kings like Callaghan, Z.Merrett, B.Smith can win their own ball.

But apart from Neale in 2023, the previous Brownlow winner who wasn't top5 for contested possessions or clearances was Dustin Martin in 2017 #FACT

 

[bzparkes]

What a stupid question.

The best midfielders can win their own ball. Even the handball receive kings like Callaghan, Z.Merrett, B.Smith can win their own ball.

But apart from Neale in 2023, the previous Brownlow winner who wasn't top5 for contested possessions or clearances was Dustin Martin in 2017 #FACT

Neither are outside receivers.

So, none?

Glad we could answer that question.

 

[Robroy22]

How old are ya mate? I'll take it easy on ya. I didn't realise there were 85+ year olds running around here. My apologies.

I'll be 78 in a number of weeks (Feb) but there you go....."I'll take it easy on ya"..... why attempt to upset anyone about anything just for you're own satisfaction? I just don't understand that way of thinking.

Footy's always been about different opinions, I'll grant you that, however it should also be about factual information surely? Not simply opinions made up to try and get a reaction out of someone else.

Apology accepted.

 

[ShereKhan]

Sure.

But I find it interesting that noone was nominating Rowell as 'better than Nic' BEFORE the 2025 Brownlow count, and by virtue of a few surprise votes to relegate Nick into second place, he's suddenly better than him.

What does that then say about Daicos, who averages 1.21 Brownlow votes per game across his entire career, about 20% more than any other player in the history of the game, and 30% more than any other current player?

I mean, do Brownlow votes count, or not?

The moment Cripps got 45 votes is the moment that Brownlow vote tallies jumped the proverbial shark. Brownlow votes are not completely irrelevant, but they get less relevant by the year. Now umpires have been given back access to stats we may see voting revert to something resembling reality.

Without stats the umpires seemed to just vote for whomever got the loudest cheers and was the highest profile midfielder in each team.

 

[Robroy22]

No!!! It means that for the last 3 years he has lost to players better than him.
Sheesh, SOME Collingwood supporters are a brand all on their own.

There, fixed it for you, no charge. Just identifying that all clubs have THOSE sorts of supporters. The generalisations are the dangerous bits.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I'll be 78 in a number of weeks (Feb) but there you go....."I'll take it easy on ya"..... why attempt to upset anyone about anything just for you're own satisfaction? I just don't understand that way of thinking.

Footy's always been about different opinions, I'll grant you that, however it should also be about factual information surely? Not simply opinions made up to try and get a reaction out of someone else.

Apology accepted.

I don't care about anyone else, so it's not for a reaction.

I can assure you.

We'll leave it there, I'm a functioning **** at about 38% of my original capacity after cancer/brain injury. I don't need sympathy (or looking), just hopefully gives you a bit of insight into how wrong your feelz are about me.

It took me a great deal of chemo/hospital stays to be this dumb.

 

[Robroy22]

I don't care about anyone else, so it's not for a reaction.

I can assure you.

We'll leave it there, I'm a functioning **** at about 38% of my original capacity after cancer/brain injury. I don't need sympathy (or looking), just hopefully gives you a bit of insight into how wrong your feelz are about me.

It took me a great deal of chemo/hospital stays to be this dumb.

Welcome to the club (P.Mac)
All the best for your health mate and in the long run I hope you do care about others cos we all need friends and family.

 

[Chip Scab1]

Welcome to the club (P.Mac)
All the best for your health mate and in the long run I hope you do care about others cos we all need friends and family.

Just my daughter!! She's everything to me.

My brothers and Sister too.

You too, boss... take it easy!

 

[RUNVS]

This is Collingwood's problem as that is a lot of players who are either approaching 30 or very much the wrong side of 30.

It is a lot of players that need replacing in the next few years, and most of those players are in their best 22 when fit.

 

[ShereKhan]

Yeah, its a fair comment to say Bont has been the best over the last 10 years, given Daicos hasn't played in 6 of those years.

Bont, like Daicos, has polled a lot of Briwnlow votes without winning one. Again, number of Briwnlow votes for a midfielder is a great indication, without being binary about whether or not the player has won one (or two, or three).

Martin clearly between 2017 and 2020 too, but fell off the cliff quickly.

If you go over the last 10 years, it's probably:
Bont
Neale
Dangerfield
Cripps

Simple question: Who won the Brownlow and when was the last time an uncontested, outside receiver won it?

The Champion data stat relates to the Brownlow winner always being high in winning contested possessions:

In regards to average CP's from those with 20+ games:

Rowell: 3rd (Daicos 30th)
Cripps: 1st
Neale: 8th
Cripps: 3rd
Wines: 3rd
Neale: 4th
Fyfe: 1st
Mitchell: 3rd
Martin: 7th
Danger: 4th

Over the last 18-seasons the Brownlow winner was top-8 in Contested Possession averages.

Naicos was 30th in 2025 which is very very low.

For midfielders who averaged 20+ disposals in 2025, his CP% of 36.7% placed him 41st of 56 players...so near to the likes of Gulden, Bailey Smith, Pendles, Callaghan...so really playing predominantly as an outside receiver as opposed to inside contested player. makes sense as ball use and decisions making is his strength, not the really hard stuff inside.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Neither are outside receivers.

So, none?

Glad we could answer that question.

Not sure what you're point is again

You're posting absolute rubbish and presenting it as fact

You're having a mare, might be best to sit this one out champ

 

[Corn Cobbers]

The Champion data stat relates to the Brownlow winner always being high in winning contested possessions:

In regards to average CP's from those with 20+ games:

Rowell: 3rd (Daicos 30th)
Cripps: 1st
Neale: 8th
Cripps: 3rd
Wines: 3rd
Neale: 4th
Fyfe: 1st
Mitchell: 3rd
Martin: 7th
Danger: 4th

Over the last 18-seasons the Brownlow winner was top-8 in Contested Possession averages.

Naicos was 30th in 2025 which is very very low.

For midfielders who averaged 20+ disposals in 2025, his CP% of 36.7% placed him 41st of 56 players...so near to the likes of Gulden, Bailey Smith, Pendles, Callaghan...so really playing predominantly as an outside receiver as opposed to inside contested player. makes sense as ball use and decisions making is his strength, not the really hard stuff inside.

What is your point here, given that Daicos averages way more votes per game than any player in history?

 

[VicBased]

There, fixed it for you, no charge. Just identifying that all clubs have THOSE sorts of supporters. The generalisations are the dangerous bits.

Thank you, I stand corrected.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

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This is Collingwood's problem as that is a lot of players who are either approaching 30 or very much the wrong side of 30.

It is a lot of players that need replacing in the next few years, and most of those players are in their best 22 when fit.

Drafts will be compromised as well so no one’s unloading picks.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Drafts will be compromised as well so no one’s unloading picks.

What about salary cap, is that compromised too? We should have plenty of $$ available if all our stars are retiring at once

Free agents will be queuing up to join the mighty Pies and play with the game's undisputed best player

 

[bzparkes]

Not sure what you're point is again

You're posting absolute rubbish and presenting it as fact

You're having a mare, might be best to sit this one out champ

Are you Donald Trump?

Everything you don't like is 'fake news'.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

What about salary cap, is that compromised too? We should have plenty of $$ available if all our stars are retiring at once

Free agents will be queuing up to join the mighty Pies and play with the game's undisputed best player

The drafting is the issue.
Plenty have already joined NWM so you’re right about wanting to play with comps best player going forward.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Are you Donald Trump?

Everything you don't like is 'fake news'.

Actually I'm thinking you're the Donald the way you just spew out bs facts left right and centre

Are you seriously trying to argue that Daics doesn't win Brownlows because of his game style, when he actually averages more votes than anyone in history?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

The drafting is the issue.
Plenty have already joined NWM so you’re right about wanting to play with comps best player going forward.

Who'd want to play for those cry-babies?



The misery of the Saints, must really hurt hey buddy?