Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Worm4]

I don't know Wormy, all I'm hearing is that everyone is retiring, Tassie will take all the draft picks and we'll be struggling to even field a side of 23

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Well of course he gets clearances when he's 1m away from the person winning the ball waiting for the handball receive.

Do you not understand how clearances work?

Good on him for being ranked 26th for contested possessions I suppose. One day he may rank alongside contested beasts such as Brodie Grundy, Jye Caldwell and Jacob Hopper.

Happy for him that he managed to average the same clearances as retiree Matt Crouch though.



Something we can all finally agree on

Yeah we know how clearances work, do you? Errr NO

 

[Fadge]

But apart from Neale in 2023, the previous Brownlow winner who wasn't top5 for contested possessions or clearances was Dustin Martin in 2017 #FACT

Hang on....

So Martin winning the Brownlow in 2017 was an outlier, because he didn't have the right STaTZ?

OH BOY.

MARTIN IN 2017 WAS A FRAUD!! (As per our learned friends in this thread....)

 

[Corn Cobbers]

You said he got better every year but he had less Brownlow votes this year than in '24 so, by the very metric you keep attempting to flaunt, he got worse.

You're all over the shop.

Lol I did not say that

You're all over the shop

 

[doppleganger]

Yeah we know how clearances work, do you? Errr NO

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Bzparkes doesn't bother with research or understanding stats.

But continues posting to make himself look stupid, almost unmatched.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Bzparkes doesn't bother with research or understanding stats.

But continues posting to make himself look stupid, almost unmatched.

Carlton style shit-posting and confirmation that WCE is now a joke minnow club

Bad football makes your supporters more stupid

 

[Fadge]

The Champion data stat relates to the Brownlow winner always being high in winning contested possessions:

In regards to average CP's from those with 20+ games:

Rowell: 3rd (Daicos 30th)
Cripps: 1st
Neale: 8th
Cripps: 3rd
Wines: 3rd
Neale: 4th
Fyfe: 1st
Mitchell: 3rd
Martin: 7th
Danger: 4th

Over the last 18-seasons the Brownlow winner was top-8 in Contested Possession averages.

Naicos was 30th in 2025 which is very very low.

For midfielders who averaged 20+ disposals in 2025, his CP% of 36.7% placed him 41st of 56 players...so near to the likes of Gulden, Bailey Smith, Pendles, Callaghan...so really playing predominantly as an outside receiver as opposed to inside contested player. makes sense as ball use and decisions making is his strength, not the really hard stuff inside.

So go ahead and explain to me how Daicos has averaged more Brownlow votes than any other player in the history of the game?

Is he THAT good, that he continues to accumulate votes despite not having the attributes that umpires are attracted to?

Wowee!

 

[Fadge]

Who'd want to play for those cry-babies?

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The misery of the Saints, must really hurt hey buddy?

Ex-Carlton players, who were knocking down the door to play anywhere other than Carlton.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So go ahead and explain to me how Daicos has averaged more Brownlow votes than any other player in the history of the game?

Is he THAT good, that he continues to accumulate votes despite not having the attributes that umpires are attracted to?

Wowee!

It's a bizarre line of argument

Olympic standard mental gymnastics

 

[Fadge]

Ok, so no Brownlow for Nick yet then?

Glad we cleared that up.

Also if he were a 'new level of elite', he'd have polled more votes this year than '24, not less.

Yeah.

Pathetic of Nick not to exceed 38 Brownlow votes per year, each and every year.

OMFG.

 

[THE_GUN]

Bzparkes doesn't bother with research or understanding stats.

But continues posting to make himself look stupid, almost unmatched.

104 posts in this thread about collingwood
He has a massive investment here

 

[THE_GUN]

Yeah.

Pathetic of Nick not to exceed 38 Brownlow votes per year, each and every year.

OMFG.

Would be a good comparison with Reid / Naicos
which player has more votes in their 1st 2 years

 

[Fadge]

Would be a good comparison with Reid / Naicos
which player has more votes in their 1st 2 years

Or Sheezel.

Or WAshcroft.

Or Darcy.

Or NWM.

Or Callaghan.

Or any other player in the competition who has apparently gone past Daicos as a player...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Or Sheezel.

Or WAshcroft.

Or Darcy.

Or NWM.

Or Callaghan.

Or any other player in the competition who has apparently gone past Daicos as a player...

You left out Ed Richards

 

[Fadge]

You left out Ed Richards

#Ed17

The bloke who is averaging more than 1 Brownlow vote per game LESS than Daicos...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Think we can all agree now that N Daicos is comfortably the best player in the comp and the Pies would be mad to do a "rebuild" when we've still got at least 10 years left in the Daicos Window

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah we know how clearances work, do you? Errr NO

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Yep, first effective possession to clear the area. Standing begging for a 1m handball means Daicos gets the clearances as it's his possession that clears the area. He's not the one winning the ball at the contest.

Also, LoL at AI slop. It doesn't understand the rules properly. For example, it thinks the PSD affects a club's FA compo.

 

[Fadge]

Think we can all agree now that N Daicos is comfortably the best player in the comp and the Pies would be mad to do a "rebuild" when we've still got at least 10 years left in the Daicos Window

Hard to argue with that analysis.

Keep up the good work, Corny!

 

[bzparkes]

Think we can all agree now that N Daicos is comfortably the best player in the comp and the Pies would be mad to do a "rebuild" when we've still got at least 10 years left in the Daicos Window

7 of those he'll be playing for Tassie though?

 

[Fadge]

Yep, first effective possession to clear the area. Standing begging for a 1m handball means Daicos gets the clearances as it's his possession that clears the area. He's not the one winning the ball at the contest.

Also, LoL at AI slop. It doesn't understand the rules properly. For example, it thinks the PSD affects a club's FA compo.

Watch some footy and then come back to talk to us...

Any more STaTZ about Brownlow winners to share?

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Yep, first effective possession to clear the area. Standing begging for a 1m handball means Daicos gets the clearances as it's his possession that clears the area. He's not the one winning the ball at the contest.

Also, LoL at AI slop. It doesn't understand the rules properly. For example, it thinks the PSD affects a club's FA compo.

I read it differently, ie the guy doing the 1m handball gets the clearance

Also lol at lolling at "AI slop" when it's given the correct definition

 

[Corn Cobbers]

7 of those he'll be playing for Tassie though?

Yeah sure champ

 

[bzparkes]

Watch some footy and then come back to talk to us...

Any more STaTZ about Brownlow winners to share?

You lot were the ones who brought up Brownlow votes and didn't like the outcome of that discussion

 

[Robertio]

104 posts in this thread about collingwood
He has a massive investment here

So what there are a few Pie supporters here with a massive investment in Carlton and looks like they've given you a like, this is Bigfooty where anyone can have an opinion without being called stupid.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Watch some footy and then come back to talk to us...

Any more STaTZ about Brownlow winners to share?

Probably hasn't watched a game since Covid, when the Eagles folded