Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Pleasedontfail11]

Pendlebury
Sisebottom
Elliot
Crisp
DeGoey
Howe

That's 6 off the top of my head and Cameron over 30 but playing well, those 6 players have been very good over the last few years and now you'll have to find 6 more to make the same impact as those 6 in the next few seasons. Maybe there's 2 or 3 on your list that will step up but that's all guess work. Maynard 30 next year as well, not all of them will play to they're 35/36

I wouldn't say very good over the last few years apart from Crisp (although he struggled late last year). Howe, Elliott and DeGoey have had a lot of injuries.

Pendlebury has lost a lot of his midfield time over the past few years. Sure he has had his moments and he can come in for bursts. But overall he has already been replaced by Daicos, DeGoey and Long. Even players like J Daicos, Perryman and McCreery have been getting alot of his midfield time. I think it is his last year and he will be missed more for the leadership then the on field role imo.

Sidebottom is similar to Pendlebury but he has probably an extra year. He is being phased out and hasn't generally been elite for a while apart from a few patches.

Elliott has about 6 players who can play his role. Maybe not at the same level but still well enough. Has a 2 year contract. Even DeGoey can step in and play a similar role if needed.

Crisp has 3 more years or more imo. He is very versatile and can play half back, mid or wing. We haven't played without him for 10 plus years. So I don't know who directly replaces him but we certainly have players like Roan Steele and McCreery who look like players who can play on the wing or in the midfield.

DeGoey to me looked great at the end of the year and has come back early this preseason to train with the 1-4th year players and looks over his 2024/5 injuries. He should be good for another 3-4 years if we give him a bit more forward time. In 3-4 years time he steps into Elliotts role as that hard to match up forward.

Howe is pretty much done imo. Its his last year. He struggled a bit last year, but we have a lot of back flankers who can play a similar if not identical role. McInnes is one that was preferred before his ACL injury. So long term he is the man if we can get him fit.

 

[Robertio]

So now Crisp and DeGoey are aging stars again?

Pendles is a legend and irreplaceable around the club, but he hasn't been an AA squad player since 2020.

I gave you the actual 10 Pies who have made AA squad under Fly. They are the players who have had the biggest impact on-field.

Howe has been injured more often than not recently
Crisp is washed up according to you a post ago
Sidey has been outplayed by Acres
DeGoey is a LoL

A bit hard to get any consistency from your posting. If they haven't been performing on field recently they won't be hard to replace.

Yep, in 3-4 years time we then need to replace Moore and Cameron and then in 6-7 years it will be J.Daicos and Houston...just like we moved on from Treloar and Grundy Varcoe etc..

Pies are constantly rebuilding the list, it is a poor approach to tip out quality senior players and just have 18-19 year olds and become a development club.

Also Bobby Hill has a question mark on him and f****d if i know why you mentioned Acres.

 

[doppleganger]

Elliott is an interesting one plays and a tall/small hybrid despite being tiny by AFL standards. Probably closest player we got to him is Bobby Hill who likes to take a speckie and can be hard to stop in the air as well as at ground level. Because Hill didn't play that much last year if we can get him playing well this year he is probably the mid term Elliott replacement.
Overall Collingwood has a large amount of quality/good and developing small forwards in Elliott, Hill, Schultz, McCreery, Harrison, Hayes and Sullivan. So replacing Elliott is easily in that respect although replacing his quality might be harder.
DeGoey looked really good at the end of the year (copped a hard hit last game and didnt look good) but he does struggling with injury at times. It is not surprising that the only 2 years he played a majority of games were 2018 and 2023 where we made the grand final. If we can get him fit he is a game changer and when in form our equally most dangerous player. Definitely nothing to laugh at.

I actually think DeGoey might be the perfect short term Elliott replacement, have DeGoey as the dangerous leading playing deep forward.

The others play different styles.

Crisp was clearly carrying something late last year and finished poorly. He is a player who during finals has one of the best players ratings going around. He normally steps up but struggled late. Maybe he is almost done but if not, he is a force and 2 times Copland winner.

Yep. He has been a force, hence I included him as an ageing star we need to replace.

Hopefully we can find a hard running overlap player with a good kick from one of our younger options (or have Houston find form!).

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Also Bobby Hill has a question mark on him and f****d if i know why you mentioned Acres.

Every player has a question mark over them. They all could do an ACL at any moment. Hill struggled with his mental well being last year. Hopefully he is back and firing next week.

 

[Robertio]

Every player has a question mark over them. They all could do an ACL at any moment. Hill struggled with his mental well being last year. Hopefully he is back and firing next week.

Yep hope he gets back to his Norm Smith form, we need players like him.

 

[doppleganger]

Also Bobby Hill has a question mark on him and f****d if i know why you mentioned Acres.

Bobby Hill ain't an aging star we need to replace.

Sidey is a veteran we need to replace. The point is we ain't replacing 2018 Sidey!! He hasn't been at AA squad level under Fly at all, so not sure many would still have him as a star.

Some Bagger fans think Acres has performed better than Sidey recently, so a bit weird to now claim he will be a big loss and hard to replace...Acres is a run of the mill journeyman who we could pick up an equivalent pretty easily for 2027 if Sidey hangs em up.

 

[Robertio]

Bobby Hill ain't an aging star we need to replace.

Sidey is a veteran we need to replace. The point is we ain't replacing 2018 Sidey!! He hasn't been at AA squad level under Fly at all, so not sure many would still have him as a star.

Some Bagger fans think Acres has performed better than Sidey recently, so a bit weird to now claim he will be a big loss and hard to replace...Acres is a run of the mill journeyman who we could pick up an equivalent pretty easily for 2027 if Sidey hangs em up.

I said a question mark on Hill, didn't say he was an aging star and keep the Carlton and Collingwood stuff in the right thread.

 

[nineteen eighty]

People are totally underestimating Pendle’s role these days. He is critical to structure and is effectively a playing coach. He will be a huge loss when he eventually retires. Sidebottom is also critical to structure.

One can see the impact to Moore with Murphy not playing. Murphy playing meant Moore could play with a lot more freedom.

Structure is key to the way McCrae coaches.

And there was a comment earlier that Elliott is easily replaced with some of the juniors you have on your list. Not even the poster who made that comment believes it. Elliott is a short who plays tall. They are rare…very rare. The chances that you will simply replace him is minimal at best.

The other point to consider is that a lot of other teams have seemingly improved their lists through the trade period and draft. Who have Collingwood picked up that will lead to immediate improvement? At best, you’re stagnant. And that doesn’t cut it year in, year out. Especially the way the team played out its second half of the year. Other than a win in the first final against a limp Adelaide (choked big time), the Pies were easy beats.

Fascinating 26 for the Pies.

 

[doppleganger]

I said a question mark on Hill, didn't say he was an aging star

Yeah, not really sure the relevance of a rebuild thread?

and keep the Carlton and Collingwood stuff in the right thread.

Just helping you with your comparisons

Sidey is either an aging star who will be hard to replace, or he is just another veteran like WHE or Mitchell who we need someone else to play the role once he hangs em up.

 

[Robertio]

Yeah, not really sure the relevance of a rebuild thread?

Just helping you with your comparisons

Sidey is either an aging star who will be hard to replace, or he is just another veteran like WHE or Mitchell who we need someone else to play the role once he hangs em up.

He is a star who had a big say in your GF win in 23, a roll player in his position will put you behind the 8 ball, same goes for Pendlebury and Elliott.

 

[Mr Meow]

Why don't people look at our midfield stats. We have turned over our midfield.

In 2022 our midfielders who attended 50% or more CBAs was Grundy, Pendles, T.Adams, Crisp and DeGoey

In 2023 our midfielders who attended 50% or more CBAs was Cameron, Pendles, T.Mitchell and DeGoey

In 2025 our midfielders who attended 50% or more CBAs was Cameron, N.Daicos, N.Long and Pendles. Perryman had some isolated games above 50% when Pendles or Long wasn't playing.


Pies 2026 core midfield and ages
Cameron 30
N.Daicos 23
N.Long 23
J.Daicos 27
Lipinski 27
Perryman 27
DeGoey 30
McReery 25

That ain't an old engine room at all, so if we have another couple of kids pop up we can then pick and choose when to play the veterans in Pendles, Sidey and Crisp (or not at all if form falls away).

Pendles, Sidey and Crisp had higher CBA% than the likes of McReery, Perryman, J.Daicos and Lipinkski. 38, 35 and 33 years old next year.

 

[Quinten Kennedy]

We rebuild every off-season, just like any other sporting team

Regular top 4 finishes prove that we're pretty good at it

You rebuild every off season?

As a West Coast supporter, I'm thinking you don't know what "rebuild" means.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

You rebuild every off season?

As a West Coast supporter, I'm thinking you don't know what "rebuild" means.

Not sure if West Coast know how to rebuild either to be honest. They don't look like they have done a good job as of yet.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Pendles, Sidey and Crisp had higher CBA% than the likes of McReery, Perryman, J.Daicos and Lipinkski. 38, 35 and 33 years old next year.

All true. But that will change next year. I expect Perryman, J Daicos, DeGoey and McCreey to get much more mid time then Pendles and Sidebottom next year. The form of Crisp will dictate his centre square attence time. Hopefully someone like Anderson can break into the team as well. But that is pure speculation at this point.

 

[markm106]

IMO DeGoey should be playing predominantly forward. His body doesn’t hold up and even him returning to training early wouldn’t fill me with confidence. I’m pretty sure last season he was meant to be flying and super fit in the pre season.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

IMO DeGoey should be playing predominantly forward. His body doesn’t hold up and even him returning to training early wouldn’t fill me with confidence. I’m pretty sure last season he was meant to be flying and super fit in the pre season.

Not the case. He was still struggling early in the season.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

The Houston trade was a strange move for me gave up draft capital , for a player that’s good but is never going to be that much of a difference maker. Should have really just went to the draft

 

[Tasmanian saint]

IMO DeGoey should be playing predominantly forward. His body doesn’t hold up and even him returning to training early wouldn’t fill me with confidence. I’m pretty sure last season he was meant to be flying and super fit in the pre season.

Collingwood really should have pulled the trigger and traded Degoey this year would have got a decent deal for him still , you look what Melbourne have done with Petracca it’s allowed them to bring in some high end young players without having to bottom out

 

[Robroy22]

Collingwood really should have pulled the trigger and traded Degoey this year would have got a decent deal for him still , you look what Melbourne have done with Petracca it’s allowed them to bring in some high end young players without having to bottom out

And the fact that Trac and Clarry BOTH wanted to be traded last year had nothing whatsoever with Melbourne's ability to trade them out for draft picks....

Yeah its our fault JDG doesn't want to be traded against his will.

Crazy huh?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

The Houston trade was a strange move for me gave up draft capital , for a player that’s good but is never going to be that much of a difference maker. Should have really just went to the draft

The draft capital we gave up for Houston was a pick in the early 20's this year (late 1st) and pick 35 from last year. Imo not a huge loss. The bigger loss was Noble and Richards. But Houston was coming off the back of 2 AA selections so I get why we did it.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Collingwood really should have pulled the trigger and traded Degoey this year would have got a decent deal for him still , you look what Melbourne have done with Petracca it’s allowed them to bring in some high end young players without having to bottom out

Would we? If we would have gotten a Petracca trade I'm sure we would have done it (if DeGoey was happy to do it). But I dont think anyone was willing to give up much.

 

[Robroy22]

The Houston trade was a strange move for me gave up draft capital , for a player that’s good but is never going to be that much of a difference maker. Should have really just went to the draft

Now if I just change that to Tom De Koning it sounds just about the same. Didn't give up draft capital (this year) but who knows how much that choice is gonna backfire on the Sainters if they can't afford their young stars in a couple of years cos good old Tom is the highest paid ruckman in the league?

Then again, not up to me to go questioning why another club organises its list development the way it chooses to???

 

[Tasmanian saint]

The draft capital we gave up for Houston was a pick in the early 20's this year (late 1st) and pick 35 from last year. Imo not a huge loss. The bigger loss was Noble and Richards. But Houston was coming off the back of 2 AA selections so I get why we did it.

You pretty much traded out of one of the strongest drafts in years , you
could have brought in some decent talent at those picks, if you were trading for a key forward or a gun mid I could understand . I agree Houston is a good player but his not a difference maker

 

[markm106]

Not the case. He was still struggling early in the season.

Yeah I think he broke down early in the year. Maybe feb or something.

 

[markm106]

Collingwood really should have pulled the trigger and traded Degoey this year would have got a decent deal for him still , you look what Melbourne have done with Petracca it’s allowed them to bring in some high end young players without having to bottom out

I think they put the feelers out to see if there was much interest especially for what I assume they’d want for him. I think there was luke warm interest and I don’t think he was keen to move. Doubtful he’d get anywhere near the compo Trac got.