Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[WalshistheGOAT]

2nd half when it was up for grabs. Sucks he is out of training and puts the fade out into context.

Nah he fades out of games any time things really heat up. As soon as theres a bit more physicality around the ball he vanishes.

Regular occurrence for Nicky

 

[HeathySure]

YOU IDIOT. Fages could get Washy to take kick outs, run past for easy handballs, one two’s and I’m sure could get him some acting lessons to flop around like a fish and ask him to constantly whinge to the umpires if he wanted that sort of player. Instead EEverytyI’m sure he is happy with a big game beast who performs when it matter

Everything about this post shows that you have not watched one Collingwood game

 

[Fadge]

YOU IDIOT. Fages could get Washy to take kick outs, run past for easy handballs, one two’s and I’m sure could get him some acting lessons to flop around like a fish and ask him to constantly whinge to the umpires if he wanted that sort of player. Instead I’m sure he is happy with a big game beast who performs when it matters.

Maybe you can answer my question?

How many times have opposition coaches sent a tagger to WAshcroft?

I've seen it plenty of times with Neale, the last couple of years with McGluggage, and a few times this year with Rayner (including finals), but I can't seem to recall WAshcroft receiving similar attention.

Can you help me out?

 

[Fadge]

Everything about this post shows that you have not watched one Collingwood game

Is 2026 the year WAshcroft graduates to a player worthy of receiving opposition attention?

Or will opposition coaches wait until Neale hangs up the boots?

 

[TheUnicorn]

Maybe you can answer my question?

How many times have opposition coaches sent a tagger to WAshcroft?

I've seen it plenty of times with Neale, the last couple of years with McGluggage, and a few times this year with Rayner (including finals), but I can't seem to recall WAshcroft receiving similar attention.

Can you help me out?

Round 7, St Kilda sent Windhager to him. The only one I can find.

Hope this helps Mr Fradge.

 

[Fadge]

Round 7, St Kilda sent Windhager to him. The only one I can find.

Really?



So when Hugh McGluggage was working through the Windhager tag, Windhager was really tagging WAshcroft?

Genius move from Ross The Boss!

 

[doppleganger]

So the cliff you're all talking about is in 2-5 years now?
i can't keep up, it was supposed to be 5 years ago.....now its in another two years or maybe 5.....but it'll happen!

Yep, it was meant to have arrived after the "fire sale" at the end of 2020, when the following were moved off the list in the one off-season.

Dayne Beams, Lynden Dunn, Tom Langdon, Tom Phillips, Ben Reid, Matthew Scharenberg, Jaidyn Stephenson, Adam Treloar, Travis Varcoe, Rupert Wills.

It was looking good for the "cliffers" as the Pies spluttered through the 2021 season, the Pies were going to be stuck in the bottom for many years according to the "cliffers".

Fast forward 4 years, and after 3 PFs and a premiership, the cliffers are back!

 

[TheUnicorn]

Really?

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So when Hugh McGluggage was working through the Windhager tag, Windhager was really tagging WAshcroft?

Genius move from Ross The Boss!

Certainly doesn't seem like Washcroft was tagged in that game, but I can't be bothered watching it lol, I'm just going by the tagging stats.

 

[bungalow_bill]

YOU IDIOT. Fages could get Washy to take kick outs, run past for easy handballs, one two’s and I’m sure could get him some acting lessons to flop around like a fish and ask him to constantly whinge to the umpires if he wanted that sort of player. Instead I’m sure he is happy with a big game beast who performs when it matters.

Two time Norm smith medalist at 21. When the heat is on Will 'little maestro' Ashcroft is an absolute beast.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Two time Norm smith medalist at 21. When the heat is on Will 'little maestro' Ashcroft is an absolute beast.

Good player. But a bit off topic.

 

[bzparkes]

What group?
Are you talking about our young players? If so, no one seams to have seen them play to make a judgement call on them.

Yep, including your coach.

 

[bzparkes]

He is so comfortably the best current player that it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise

Oppo players should be queuing up to join Collingwood to play with Daics

Who?

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Houston trade was nail in the coffin. McRae has maxed out what he can, they’re finished now.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Yep, it was meant to have arrived after the "fire sale" at the end of 2020, when the following were moved off the list in the one off-season.

Dayne Beams, Lynden Dunn, Tom Langdon, Tom Phillips, Ben Reid, Matthew Scharenberg, Jaidyn Stephenson, Adam Treloar, Travis Varcoe, Rupert Wills.

It was looking good for the "cliffers" as the Pies spluttered through the 2021 season, the Pies were going to be stuck in the bottom for many years according to the "cliffers".

Fast forward 4 years, and after 3 PFs and a premiership, the cliffers are back!

Why are you comparing the two lists?
The 2026 list is the oldest list in the AFL and all of those 30 plus plus players are entrenched best 18.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Who?

NWM I assume.

 

[Obeanie1]

So the cliff you're all talking about is in 2-5 years now?
i can't keep up, it was supposed to be 5 years ago.....now its in another two years or maybe 5.....but it'll happen!

Could well happen this season.

Depends when those players mentioned stop performing.

I was being nice saying two years. The top 4 listed will definately be gone within 2 years.

There is being confident in your team, and plain stupid thinking players last forever and you can instantly replace the best straight away like for like. Especially the greatest club player of all time.

Enjoy you last few days on social media kid.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Could well happen this season.

Depends when those players mentioned stop performing.

I was being nice saying two years. The top 4 listed will definately be gone within 2 years.

There is being confident in your team, and plain stupid thinking players last forever and you can instantly replace the best straight away like for like. Especially the greatest club player of all time.

Enjoy you last few days on social media kid.

Pendlebury, Howe and Sidebottom will be gone in 2 years. But they aint what they use to be anyway and haven't been for 5 years.

 

[doppleganger]

Why are you comparing the two lists?
The 2026 list is the oldest list in the AFL and all of those 30 plus plus players are entrenched best 18.

The Pies 2020 list was also the oldest in the league...the same as 2025.

The players we moved on were all important players in our deep finals runs of 18-20.

We also forced out our best young player in Stephenson, a rising star, and the only u22 player on our 2020 list who had played 40 games.

The cliffers line back then was, we had no youth coming through, and we were too reliant on Pendles, Sidey and Howe (who we would also have to replace soon) who ain't going to get any better. It was rebuild time, as you missed the flag chance.

Pies were the furthest team from a flag in 2020 according to many experts - not good enough and poor youth. The cliffers were rejoicing.

2021 further validated their assumptions, the Pies were cooked and we also then had Mayne, Roughead, J.Thomas and Greenwood additional senior blokes who were also best 22 players in the finals runs of 18-20 finish up.

Pies had the worst u23 youth coming through of any team, it was going to be a world of pain as we needed to rebuild through the draft - hence the fox footy premiership window running with 2026-30 for the Pies at the end of 2021 season.

Hopefully you cliffers have got it right again

 

[doppleganger]

Pendlebury, Howe and Sidebottom will be gone in 2 years. But they aint what they use to be anyway and haven't been for 5 years.

Howe is injured more often than not, he may not even be best 23 in 2026!

But they offer so much leadership and guidance to our kids, effectively additional development coaches, whilst still being able to contribute on field.

Only idiotic clubs like North would move on champions like Booma Harvey, who were still playing quality football, to add another kid to the list.

But on bigfooty, moving on veterans for an unproven kid is the smart move, as the kid has potential.

 

[Cyclops]

Interesting debate, Ashcroft vs Daicos, we've seen them as opponents but we haven't seen Ashcroft in a lower side.

Really the only fair thing to do is trade him to a side that's fallen off the cliff, which according to several geniuses, is Collingwood in 2026.

Then I'm sure he'll prove what a star he is. Until then, how do we know he's not being carried by Raynor?

 

[Robroy22]

Could well happen this season.

Depends when those players mentioned stop performing.

I was being nice saying two years. The top 4 listed will definately be gone within 2 years.

There is being confident in your team, and plain stupid thinking players last forever and you can instantly replace the best straight away like for like. Especially the greatest club player of all time.

Enjoy you last few days on social media kid.

I'm 76, but thanks for calling me a kid!
"Could" happen this season.....is that the best you can do?

You weren't being nice....you were venting just like all the others who wish us harm and bad tidings. But to Collingwood folk that's just manna from heaven, we thrive on nay sayers and other clubs doubters (says a lot more about you than it does us)

Dunno anybody that thinks "players last forever" that's why us Collingwood people are enjoying watching the old blokes squeezing every last drop out of themselves before they head off to become coaching legends elsewhere.

You speak in "Coulds" and maybe's and predictions.....and you vent with all the bile of someone that's more than just a little upset by their own club's predicament, but that's OK...it's nothing we haven't heard before...and its coming at us continually from supporters of clubs that have been outside the finals for quite a while.

Our club has determined the best path for it to follow whilst we have the current crop of players (and coaches) and that's where we stand. I don't for the life of me know why people love to try and criticise the decisions of others when it has no bearing whatsoever on their own clubs and only serves to appear as whinging or trolling.

 

[Obeanie1]

I'm 76, but thanks for calling me a kid!
"Could" happen this season.....is that the best you can do?

You weren't being nice....you were venting just like all the others who wish us harm and bad tidings. But to Collingwood folk that's just manna from heaven, we thrive on nay sayers and other clubs doubters (says a lot more about you than it does us)

Dunno anybody that thinks "players last forever" that's why us Collingwood people are enjoying watching the old blokes squeezing every last drop out of themselves before they head off to become coaching legends elsewhere.

You speak in "Coulds" and maybe's and predictions.....and you vent with all the bile of someone that's more than just a little upset by their own club's predicament, but that's OK...it's nothing we haven't heard before...and its coming at us continually from supporters of clubs that have been outside the finals for quite a while.

Our club has determined the best path for it to follow whilst we have the current crop of players (and coaches) and that's where we stand. I don't for the life of me know why people love to try and criticise the decisions of others when it has no bearing whatsoever on their own clubs and only serves to appear as whinging or trolling.

Venting? Lol.

Really dont give a rats actually.

Simply pulling up silly posters that think and pretty much gloat that their clubs never needs to rebuild.

Pies gor a nice uplift when they stuffed the salary cap and shipped out Trelor, Stevenson, Ginnaven and others. Forced a quick "re-stumping' instead of needing a rebuild. And they invested picks and cash into trades and players to perform now.

End of a generation and an era with Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, De Goey and Elliot all close to the end. Last season for 3 of them. Take that quality out and where do the quality replacements come from?

You actually dont bother answering that. Wonder why? You point to irrelevant history and thats about it.

From now on teams need top picks to land top father sins and NGA kids. And top picks are few and far between for Collingwood and they wilk be even harder to come across with Tasmania coming in.

 

[Robroy22]

Venting? Lol.

Really dont give a rats actually.

Simply pulling up silly posters that think and pretty much gloat that their clubs never needs to rebuild.

Pies gor a nice uplift when they stuffed the salary cap and shipped out Trelor, Stevenson, Ginnaven and others. Forced a quick "re-stumping' instead of needing a rebuild. And they invested picks and cash into trades and players to perform now.

End of a generation and an era with Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, De Goey and Elliot all close to the end. Last season for 3 of them. Take that quality out and where do the quality replacements come from?

You actually dont bother answering that. Wonder why? You point to irrelevant history and thats about it.

From now on teams need top picks to land top father sins and NGA kids. And top picks are few and far between for Collingwood and they wilk be even harder to come across with Tasmania coming in.

• "Don't give a rats actually" but how many posts have you made on the subject?? Yes we know WCE have had to go to the draft to rebuild and because of that pain you feel as though every club should be made to have to do it.
• Some clubs "rebuild" differently to how you (and others) expect, again no judgement here on that, you go your way and we'll go ours...I don't think anybody (least of all me) has ever expounded that WCE should have gone our way with their rebuild, restump, list development process.
• Got a lift when we had the salary cap re-take by using picks and cash for trades (hmmm ... big name trades like McStay, Hill, Frampton and Mitchell oh and don't forget Markov)...all good role players in our system. Don't think that sort of trading is revolutionary nor only confined to Collingwood. Geelong's done the same, so too Brisbane. WCE could too and have done.
• Who will replace Pendles? No-one but others will come in and play. Perryman looks like taking the defensive mid spot in '26 and Prindable has been chosen as a left footed mid to slot in next. Roan Steele looks like a relevant Sidebottom replacement (can run all day and good kicking skills). Howe we have McGuinnes, Jaith, Parker and Ryan sweating on that spot whilst McCreery and Harrison can share the DeGoey spot in 2-3 years when it becomes available. Jamie Elliot is a bit of a unicorn but with Bobby Hill, Schultz, Will Hayes and Jai Saxena in the wings we'll have options in a couple of years when Jamie eventually hangs em up. (How's that for NOT bothering to answer)....wonder why you try and goad people.
• Not really sure where I supposedly pointed to irrelevant history. If you mean what's actually happened in the past that's factual and not simply supposition of what may happen in the future, then guilty as charged your honour.
• Your final point won't only affect Collingwood now will it? Everyone will find it harder to find new talent with another club coming into the competition. I trust our recruiting department will have strategies to help us do so.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Venting? Lol.

Really dont give a rats actually.

Simply pulling up silly posters that think and pretty much gloat that their clubs never needs to rebuild.

Pies gor a nice uplift when they stuffed the salary cap and shipped out Trelor, Stevenson, Ginnaven and others. Forced a quick "re-stumping' instead of needing a rebuild. And they invested picks and cash into trades and players to perform now.

End of a generation and an era with Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, De Goey and Elliot all close to the end. Last season for 3 of them. Take that quality out and where do the quality replacements come from?

You actually dont bother answering that. Wonder why? You point to irrelevant history and thats about it.

From now on teams need top picks to land top father sins and NGA kids. And top picks are few and far between for Collingwood and they wilk be even harder to come across with Tasmania coming in.

It will be the last season for Howe and Pendlebury imo. DeGoey and Elliott have 2 year contracts. Sidebottom will be extended unless his form is poor or we have a glut of development. Howe has missed a lot of footy over the last 4 years. So no major loss and Pendlebury is overall an average utility who has played equal parts half back, wing and midfield. His output has already been replaced by players like McCreery, Long, Allan, Perryman, Steele, Houston ect. We will miss his on field leadership but hopefully Daicos, Cameron, Houston ect can pick-up the slack in that department.

 

[doppleganger]

End of a generation and an era with Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, De Goey and Elliot all close to the end. Last season for 3 of them. Take that quality out and where do the quality replacements come from?

DeGoey is only 29 and he has barely played 50% of our games in 24-25, he is actually one we would expect much greater output from in the next few seasons.

Elliott had his best ever season, and we just signed him to a two year contract. He will be hard to replace, as he is a small with great marking ability, but we have a couple of years to find a replacement.

Howe only played 70% our games in last few years, we are used to playing without him. We already have really strong 3rd up type half back flankers in IQ and Maynard, and have Reef McInnes who looms as a preferred choice down back.

Pendles and Sidey are all-time club champions, but will be a transition type year. We saw in the QF v Adelaide that Sidey can be used up forward as a goal sneak and Pendles may get games behind the ball, plus we will probably be happy to manage them to not have them play every week.

You actually dont bother answering that. Wonder why? You point to irrelevant history and thats about it.

In terms of immediate midfield replacements for Sidey and Pendles, I think it is J.Daicos and then a combo of Perryman, Ed Allan, HHarrison or Parker who will get first crack.

J.Daicos has looked fantastic when given a run in the middle, and hopefully it allows Houston to flourish across HB (or a guy like Parker step up).

From now on teams need top picks to land top father sins and NGA kids. And top picks are few and far between for Collingwood and they wilk be even harder to come across with Tasmania coming in.

Yes Collingwood need a few of the 21 players on our list who are yet to play 25 AFL games to step up.

Internally they will be confident some will, and having Pendles, Sidey and Howe around to help the kids will be a massive advantage.

But the folly people continue to fall for is that they seem to projects list forward for 3-4 years in a vacuum, the Pies list for 2029 will likely be almost 50% different than the 2026 list.