Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Fadge]

Only one of them got their team into a grand final this year.

Nice flex.

You forgot to add 'despite being beaten by Carlton'!

 

[Robertio]

Nice flex.

You forgot to add 'despite being beaten by Carlton'!

I was saving it to later.

 

[Trent from barwon Heads]

Fly has won premiership in 25% of years he's been coaching

Chris Scott has an inferior record of only winning flags in 13.33% of years he's been coaching.

Chris Scott wishes he was Fly McRae.

Fly couldnt win year one and might miss finals in 2026, which would make 2

 

[Chip Scab1]

The argument is still revolving around a few points.

Collingwood relies on old players (we don't).
Collingwood has little proven youth (we don't).
Mid season drafts and traded in players don't count (they do, and we're the best at plucking smokeys mid season).
You have to tank and take multiple top 10 picks to build a list, its the only way to succeed (lol).

I can see the argument for the cliff, but there's not a lot of intellectual weight to it as presented beyond "muh numbers".

Can feel the cope oozing off the page.

Ok, I'll bite. Let's say both your mob and my frauds make Wild Card Weekend (which is about our ceiling, honestly).

How confident would you be against a team which has won 11 games this decade?

 

[Mynamesinuse]

The argument is still revolving around a few points.

Collingwood relies on old players (we don't).
Collingwood has little proven youth (we don't).
Mid season drafts and traded in players don't count (they do, and we're the best at plucking smokeys mid season).
You have to tank and take multiple top 10 picks to build a list, its the only way to succeed (lol).

I can see the argument for the cliff, but there's not a lot of intellectual weight to it as presented beyond "muh numbers".

First parts not true.

Pendles Sidebottom Crisp all play mid roles.

Howe a key role down back.
Elliot up forward.

The argument is still revolving around a few points.

Collingwood relies on old players (we don't).
Collingwood has little proven youth (we don't).
Mid season drafts and traded in players don't count (they do, and we're the best at plucking smokeys mid season).
You have to tank and take multiple top 10 picks to build a list, its the only way to succeed (lol).

I can see the argument for the cliff, but there's not a lot of intellectual weight to it as presented beyond "muh numbers".

They heavily rely on their older players to suggest otherwise is incorrect

 

[Robroy22]

Can feel the cope oozing off the page.

Ok, I'll bite. Let's say both your mob and my frauds make Wild Card Weekend (which is about our ceiling, honestly).

How confident would you be against a team which has won 11 games this decade?

How confident would I feel about facing North in a so called "final" with both our current lists fit and intact?
is this a trick question??? Am I missing something really really obvious?

Can I take this as my preferred option for all and any finals???

 

[Chip Scab1]

How confident would I feel about facing North in a so called "final" with both our current lists fit and intact?
is this a trick question??? Am I missing something really really obvious?

Can I take this as my preferred option for all and any finals???

Please do. You're adding nothing, just losing.

We're adding a better/taller 1/4 to the team who were what 50 points up on you last 2 years.

I can't see you getting within cooee of us for near on a decade.

 

[Robroy22]

First parts not true.

Pendles Sidebottom Crisp all play mid roles.

Howe a key role down back.
Elliot up forward.


They heavily rely on their older players to suggest otherwise is incorrect

• So too do The Daicos's, Long, Perryman, Lipinski, Sullivan, JDG, Elliot, McCreery and Hill .... we rotate and mix and match depending on who we're playing and who's available.
• Howe and Elliot are both terrific players for their age sure, but we've actually had to play without both of these blokes for extended periods (12-15 games at a time) during Fly's tenure.

Sorry to dispel your "theories"
We enjoy our older players and marvel at their skill, IQ and game sense, but we haven't "relied" on any one player since maybe Travis Cloke (and definitely not under the current coaching regime)

Did we miss Pendles in this years Prelim, yep but at such a late stage of your preparation its just not possible to cover a last second injury. If he'd been out all week, we'd have planned accordingly.

Next?

 

[Robroy22]

Please do. You're adding nothing, just losing.

We're adding a better/taller 1/4 to the team who were what 50 points up on you last 2 years.

I can't see you getting within cooee of us for near on a decade.

Well see, now that's where we (and quite often History) might disagree with you.
I'm adding exactly the same as you are....opinions (so does that make us both losers or both winners by your parameters?)
Did your better/taller 1/4 of a team get you 50 points up on us? You might want to look at what got you there before you change it?
And how did that game go in the end??? Did you win by 50 like a good side?

I can agree with you're final assertion....I can't see us anywhere near north in the next decade either, but then we haven't been have we?

 

[Robroy22]

Only one of them got their team into a grand final this year.

Did they? I thought the AFL did that.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

• So too do The Daicos's, Long, Perryman, Lipinski, Sullivan, JDG, Elliot, McCreery and Hill .... we rotate and mix and match depending on who we're playing and who's available.
• Howe and Elliot are both terrific players for their age sure, but we've actually had to play without both of these blokes for extended periods (12-15 games at a time) during Fly's tenure.

Sorry to dispel your "theories"
We enjoy our older players and marvel at their skill, IQ and game sense, but we haven't "relied" on any one player since maybe Travis Cloke (and definitely not under the current coaching regime)

Did we miss Pendles in this years Prelim, yep but at such a late stage of your preparation its just not possible to cover a last second injury. If he'd been out all week, we'd have planned accordingly.

Next?

Yep those others come through the middle. All teams have similar rotations.
But to suggest Sidebottom Pendles and Crisp aren’t pivotal in that is not true.
Long Lipinski Sullivan aren’t replacing those 3 for output.

 

[Robroy22]

Yep those others come through the middle. All teams have similar rotations.
But to suggest Sidebottom Pendles and Crisp aren’t pivotal in that is not true.
Long Lipinski Sullivan aren’t replacing those 3 for output.

Sorry mate but they've already been doing it this year and before. Crisp played wing/HB most of the year. Sidey wing and tagger with occasional pops forward and Pendles only attends CB's on occasions and will be playing off HB this year

 

[Sewer de Lance]

If they make the Top 6 next year, they’ll have over achieved. The Pies will need Pendles, Steele, & Elliot to do another Benjamin Button to get anywhere near it.

 

[Robroy22]

If they make the Top 6 next year, they’ll have over achieved. Will need Pendles, Steele, & Elliot to do another Benjamin Button to get anywhere near it.

haters gonna hate.....so much to look forward to at Alberton though

 

[Cyclops]

First parts not true.

Pendles Sidebottom Crisp all play mid roles.

Howe a key role down back.
Elliot up forward.


They heavily rely on their older players to suggest otherwise is incorrect

...in your opinion.

I keep hearing this stuff after each prelim.

If we transition to the younger blokes and kake finals again I guess the cliff goes back in the fridge.

It could be repurposed, if we slump in 10 years "Pies 2036 woes stem from the cliff of 2024, a 300 page thread".

 

[Robroy22]

...in your opinion.

I keep hearing this stuff after each prelim.

If we transition to the younger blokes and kake finals again I guess the cliff goes back in the fridge.

It could be repurposed, if we slump in 10 years "Pies 2036 woes stem from the cliff of 2024, a 300 page thread".

nah if we make finals with young mids, we'll be too young!! the joys of being Collingwood supporters

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Sorry mate but they've already been doing it this year and before. Crisp played wing/HB most of the year. Sidey wing and tagger with occasional pops forward and Pendles only attends CB's on occasions and will be playing off HB this year

Yeah so they played mid roles cheers for clearing that up.

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Well be fine but yes a rebuild is needed.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

...in your opinion.

I keep hearing this stuff after each prelim.

If we transition to the younger blokes and kake finals again I guess the cliff goes back in the fridge.

It could be repurposed, if we slump in 10 years "Pies 2036 woes stem from the cliff of 2024, a 300 page thread".

Happened to the Brissy Lions happened to Hawthorn and both supporter groups probably were saying similar.

Geelong have been lucky with the inclusions of superstars along the rebuild.

 

[doppleganger]

But they don't play the amount of games you play at the G, and especially not groups of 6-7 in a row like you guys get.

Pies max consecutive games at the G in 2026 is 4, and maximum consecutive games in Melbourne is 5.

Meanwhile, Carlton's 2026 fixture has them playing their final 9 games in Melbourne ALL 9 at grounds they happily play HOME games at.

Add to that they play shit footy and there you have it.
You can't escape it DG, Collingwood are the most looked after team in the comp.
Stop trying to excuse it away and just accept it,,,,,,,,,we have.

Yeah, when you actually ignore the fixtures and just run with your made up gut feel it may be the case.

The only thing you have right is that Carlton and Essendon play shit footy.

 

[Peters_Nuts]

Pies max consecutive games at the G in 2026 is 4, and maximum consecutive games in Melbourne is 5.

Meanwhile, Carlton's 2026 fixture has them playing their final 9 games in Melbourne ALL 9 at grounds they happily play HOME games at.

Yeah, when you actually ignore the fixtures and just run with your made up gut feel it may be the case.

The only thing you have right is that Carlton and Essendon play shit footy.

Fixture looks like it's gifted to us because we win the games we should.

Carlton get the easiest fixture in 2025 and lose all the games they shouldn't, starting with round 1 vs Richmond. Clearly the AFL is out to get them.

 

[VicBased]

So let's get this straight...

One of the main reasons Collingwood are THE most 'looked after team in the competition' is because Carlton and Essendon play shit footy, and can't make the most of similar advantages?

You are nearly getting it but you neglected some important bits.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

haters gonna hate.....so much to look forward to at Alberton though

With the fraud on Fox Footy Special Comments & nowhere near the Port coaching box, I’m confident we’ll finish above you champ.

 

[VicBased]

In all seriousness, his clearly one of the best in the league fly, i would easily have him ahead of fagan who has coasted with every advantage shoved up his backside.

Oh Please, don't be that guy. Brissy and fages made Geelong look second rate. Probably get 2026 to.

 

[Robroy22]

With the fraud on Fox Footy Special Comments & nowhere near the Port coaching box, I’m confident we’ll finish above you champ.

ooooo champ....I have come up in the world.

Be confident, its that time of the year.