Dog act!

[Moo]

This thread makes the Palestinian bid for statehood look positively non-political.

You are allowed to not like the decision, equally you can be OK with it.

You can think it is a dog act the way it was done or you can say hey dry those tears it is a tough old world.

This raising old crap against other posters is simply bullshit and let's get the posts back on topic and off posters.

The only poster as I see it who deserves shyte thrown at em is the OP - emotive crap combined with I'm quitting and you're not real fans if you disagree ....well stop talking and start walking.

Nearly every other post on here on the topic is OK, as it is their opinion.

As an example Schibizzle is a long time poster here and is deserving of more respect....she is allowed to have a differing opinion.

We all love the club and with every decision there will be some on the side of it and others against it........remember however we all do have something in common - we love the club.

I hated the jumper decision, I dislike the Steve's, I never wanted Tarrant, I never wanted Croad (yeah OK I was excited by getting Dessie), Harvey was the first coach after Neesham that I actually agreed with but guess what - Agree or Disagree with a tad more respect.

 

[campbell]

Business acumen is obviously not taught in Nursing school.

Christ Campbell, I love ya, but you really are talking out of your clacker!

I'm guessing that you have next to no idea about managing a business. Let alone head-hunting, poaching, sacking and the ruthless cut and thrust of executive management.

Stop posting on emotion, send a condolence email to Harves if it makes you feel better, and then come back when you have got a clue.

love ya to

Its about perception. The club should have sacked him when and if they wanted to. They alreayd had their man. This was kept quiet for weeks.

So, keep it quiet a few days more.

Its a PR nightmare for you guys imo.


and thank goodness I do know how to manage people in my job, thans for the dig at me and my job by the way....

 

[ImperialPurple]

Yeah. And I'm Julius friggen Caesar!

Give it up love. Just give it up.

Hang on, I thought Harvs was Julius Caesar, stumbling around pointing... "E two Brutes" at the Steves... now I'm confused.

 

[The Night Shift]

Schibbzy hasn't been disrespected has she?

 

[Moo]

I'd reply but I have been threatened with carding for presenting football related topic, so unfortunately, I have to decline to answer your questions.

Sorry Teffy I thought you were trolling, I never realised you were just stupid ...go ahead and answer as after reading a lot of these posts I need the giggles.

 

[Proud Bogan]

This thread makes the Palestinian bid for statehood look positively non-political.

You are allowed to not like the decision, equally you can be OK with it.

You can think it is a dog act the way it was done or you can say hey dry those tears it is a tough old world.

This raising old crap against other posters is simply bullshit and let's get the posts back on topic and off posters.

The only poster as I see it who deserves shyte thrown at em is the OP - emotive crap combined with I'm quitting and you're not real fans if you disagree ....well stop talking and start walking.

Nearly every other post on here on the topic is OK, as it is their opinion.

As an example Schibizzle is a long time poster here and is deserving of more respect....she is allowed to have a differing opinion.

We all love the club and with every decision there will be some on the side of it and others against it........remember however we all do have something in common - we love the club.

I hated the jumper decision, I dislike the Steve's, I never wanted Tarrant, I never wanted Croad (yeah OK I was excited by getting Dessie), Harvey was the first coach after Neesham that I actually agreed with but guess what - Agree or Disagree with a tad more respect.

Point taken cow man.

But if the nay sayers could put up an argument of how the club could have done it better in the circumstances, (Campbell is trying but failing dismally), instead of just bleating about poor, poor Harves, it may be a bit more palatable.

love ya to

Its about perception. The club should have sacked him when and if they wanted to. They alreayd had their man. This was kept quiet for weeks.

So, keep it quiet a few days more.

Its a PR nightmare for you guys imo.


and thank goodness I do know how to manage people in my job, thans for the dig at me and my job by the way....

You work in the Public Service?

Since when do they sack people and head hunt?

It's not personal, you know that.

 

[peppy la pew]

Moo meltdown imminent, it's been a big 48 hrs.

I like the new jumper, it's grown on me.

 

[Moo]

Schibbzy hasn't been disrespected has she?

Close to the line in my book, not mod/card close but long time Freo poster respect line close.

 

[Proud Bogan]

Close to the line in my book, not mod/card close but long time Freo poster respect line close.

Long time poster or not, what she did was bloody stupid and only worthy of Dockerland numpties.

And don't forget I know Shibz and like her a lot.

It showed a clear naivety on the issue at hand and she clearly didn't think it through.

 

[Lach72]

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I think the way it's panned out is like this:
We've got Mark Harvey as coach. We've done the review and we think he's going ok. Not great but ok. We think he's got issues around game plan, maybe around communication, pre-season is a bit iffy.
As a board (thinking like a board member or CEO) we need to have a look and see who can address these areas and an appreciably better job than Mark. Not just an off chance they'll be better but they must be A LOT better.
That really narrows it down to 4: Malthouse, Clarkson, Lyon and possibly Eade.
We may have some concerns over Rodney, due to the late season implosions.

If we can't get any of these guys, then Mark is staying. he's a known quantity we'll do what we can to help him improve.
Clarkson re-signs, Malthouse is out, let's talk to Ross.

"Hey Ross what's happening, man?"

"Funny you should mention it Steve(s) but I'm ready to get away from this mob of idiots, they've taken 6 bloody months"

*cue champagne corks*

I reckon this is basically it and why Harvey got the chop the way he did. If they couldn't get one of the top 3, he was safe.
The charter they're coming out with is that is our duty to chase premierships for our members. With only 1 year left on his contract they could do it and give us the best chance at it.

This whole shut about you should've sacked him first is just that: shit.

 

[Admiral Byng]

mmm. within the hour.......go figure.

All Lyon had to do was wait till today to resign from the Saints. Then sign with you guys and media conference on Monday.

Up until it was announced, within half and hour of the sacking, no one in the media had a clue he was talking to you.So he had been discreat as had your club.

It could have been kept quit imo.

I don't think Fremantle could have done it that way. If we sacked Harvey on Thursday night the first two questions asked would have been:
1) what did Harvey do wrong?
2) have you got a replacement lined up?
what would they have said at the pesser in answer to that?

If there was a delay of 2 or 3 days the story would still have emerged that Fremantle head-hunted Lyon and made that decision before they told Harvey about it. It would have dragged the story out for another couple of days and made things look even more underhand.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Have just gone through this thread and strewth was that a hard read. Most people know about my initial reactions of outrage and the gradual growing of the situation on me. What bugs me at the moment is the amount of denial in here. What is this? The Brisbane board where you have to be a part of the clique to have a relevant point?

It was nothing short of a very cruel act and whilst yes it's near impossible in the public eye to have a fair sacking, the suddenness of this was harsh and you can't deny this. There should've been 48 hours notice or some sort of review with Harvs that they just disagree with him on all points and "let him go". A token effort is better than no effort. That way it's not leaked to the media, Harvs is still highly pissed but would at least feel as if he was given a chance. The media would still blow it out of context because, well, they weren't first to expose the news.

However...sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. We cut out Harvey, we appear to have upgraded (I say appear because time will be the only judge of that), he wasn't given a dragged out, stressful year or even weeks and have it dragged out in the news for a while and just another Freo "mess" by which time he may have been blackballed from some jobs and been well and truly out of the running for other Senior coaching jobs. Now we've sacked him early enough for him to not only find another job but also being early enough to be in the hunt for another senior coaching job for next year and be paid out another year on his freo contract. I really feel for him, he's had his ego smacked from pillar to post in the past 48 hours and he's done so much for this club however it's a credit to him that he has such pride. I hope he finds another senior role and I won't be sad or angry if that side knocks us off or even thrashes us next year because he deserves some vindication after this.

However, one post in this mess of denial and moral high-grounds has really annoyed me which is funny because I've agreed with his main points on what more could have been done:



That is a gutless cop-out. Sure Scott, Lloyd and Bondy may have been involved in the list management but denying Harvey's contribution in it is f***ing disgraceful. Denying Harvey's influence in 2010 is pathetic. I know you might agree with the Lyon call, I know you're saying what else could've been done in order to preserve Harvs pride and I do agree for the most part. But to go to the length of saying Harvey's appointment was a dud is just wrong.

Is there such thing as a kind sacking?

Would you rather we dangled the executioners axe over Harvey's head for a while?

It's like ripping off a bandaid, get over and done with.

And yeah, don't worry about dominguez, he's just used this as his opportunity to talk the talk with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[Moo]

Point taken cow man.

Nope that aint Bushie.

Moo meltdown imminent, it's been a big 48 hrs.

Dom will go over the edge way before me.

I like the new jumper, it's grown on me.

I blame the new jumper.

In fact my dream scenario is we get Lyon, go back to the purple, white & anchor jumpers and somehow manage to **** the Steve's off

 

[Lach72]

Use your think brain.

Gah ****, run for the hills!

 

[Proud Bogan]

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I think the way it's panned out is like this:
We've got Mark Harvey as coach. We've done the review and we think he's going ok. Not great but ok. We think he's got issues around game plan, maybe around communication, pre-season is a bit iffy.
As a board (thinking like a board member or CEO) we need to have a look and see who can address these areas and an appreciably better job than Mark. Not just an off chance they'll be better but they must be A LOT better.
That really narrows it down to 4: Malthouse, Clarkson, Lyon and possibly Eade.
We may have some concerns over Rodney, due to the late season implosions.

If we can't get any of these guys, then Mark is staying. he's a known quantity we'll do what we can to help him improve.
Clarkson re-signs, Malthouse is out, let's talk to Ross.

"Hey Ross what's happening, man?"

"Funny you should mention it Steve(s) but I'm ready to get away from this mob of idiots, they've taken 6 bloody months"

*cue champagne corks*

I reckon this is basically it and why Harvey got the chop the way he did. If they couldn't get one of the top 3, he was safe.
The charter they're coming out with is that is our duty to chase premierships for our members. With only 1 year left on his contract they could do it and give us the best chance at it.

This whole shut about you should've sacked him first is just that: shit.

It is amazing how the quality of posting increases dramatically when Chiefs neural implant is removed.

Agree 100%

 

[Moo]

Long time poster or not, what she did was bloody stupid and only worthy of Dockerland numpties.

And don't forget I know Shibz and like her a lot.

It showed a clear naivety on the issue at hand and she clearly didn't think it through.

I don't even know what she did?

Got the shits over how Harves was dumped and went down to the club to protest?

Steve took them in and probably tried to hypnotise them with a incantation and half a litre of chicken blood?

I don't mind real Freo members expressing their opinions but my guess is a lot on the radio are Freaglish, Eaglish or the oh I go for Freo ....how many games do you get to .....ummmmmmmmmmmm...OK then how many games do you watch? ....wellllllllllllllll ....types

 

[The Night Shift]

I respect your dislike for the new "heritage" Freo' jumpers Moo but I must admit I've been boned up over them ever since their unveiling. They look good.

 

[IAMJUNGLEMUFFIN]

Edit, why bother, I know I'm not gonna get a meltdown out of him

 

[Clay Davis]

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I think the way it's panned out is like this:
We've got Mark Harvey as coach. We've done the review and we think he's going ok. Not great but ok. We think he's got issues around game plan, maybe around communication, pre-season is a bit iffy.
As a board (thinking like a board member or CEO) we need to have a look and see who can address these areas and an appreciably better job than Mark. Not just an off chance they'll be better but they must be A LOT better.
That really narrows it down to 4: Malthouse, Clarkson, Lyon and possibly Eade.
We may have some concerns over Rodney, due to the late season implosions.

If we can't get any of these guys, then Mark is staying. he's a known quantity we'll do what we can to help him improve.
Clarkson re-signs, Malthouse is out, let's talk to Ross.

"Hey Ross what's happening, man?"

"Funny you should mention it Steve(s) but I'm ready to get away from this mob of idiots, they've taken 6 bloody months"

*cue champagne corks*

I reckon this is basically it and why Harvey got the chop the way he did. If they couldn't get one of the top 3, he was safe.
The charter they're coming out with is that is our duty to chase premierships for our members. With only 1 year left on his contract they could do it and give us the best chance at it.

This whole shut about you should've sacked him first is just that: shit.

I actually think it went exactly like they said. They started covering bases for the end of 2012, knew Lyon was out of contract and approached him. He said he's actually looking to get out now, and they pulled the trigger.

I don't think the plan was ever to remove Harvey now, though they were fully expecting to next season and doing their 'due diligence', as it were, for that.

 

[believe_it]

Harvey was just a scapegoat, other sectors of the club esp onfield group must be looked at too. For instance what about the medical team. How can a team have like 20+ players on the injury list?

But Harvey is not totally blameless. In the last 3 yrs Frementle had their best list in their 20 yr history, not even a prelim final was reached, some eyebrow must be raised.

Lyon i believe will be a much more stern coach. You need tough, no nonsense people in leadership positions. You need ruthless characters along the spine. The head of the club must ruthlessly pursue the financial and off-field success of the club. The coach must ruthlessly and aggressively purse onfield success. And players should be taught to aggressively and ruthlessly puruse their individual success.

Now a great leader should have the vision to align the need of the organisation, the coach and the player in the same direction. Only then can the whole wheel turn smoothly.

So loyalty becomes somewhere lost in this web of aligning interest. Think big, do big. Cut out the dead weight and start afresh.

Nice guitar

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[Bradesmaen]

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I think the way it's panned out is like this:
We've got Mark Harvey as coach. We've done the review and we think he's going ok. Not great but ok. We think he's got issues around game plan, maybe around communication, pre-season is a bit iffy.
As a board (thinking like a board member or CEO) we need to have a look and see who can address these areas and an appreciably better job than Mark. Not just an off chance they'll be better but they must be A LOT better.
That really narrows it down to 4: Malthouse, Clarkson, Lyon and possibly Eade.
We may have some concerns over Rodney, due to the late season implosions.

If we can't get any of these guys, then Mark is staying. he's a known quantity we'll do what we can to help him improve.
Clarkson re-signs, Malthouse is out, let's talk to Ross.

"Hey Ross what's happening, man?"

"Funny you should mention it Steve(s) but I'm ready to get away from this mob of idiots, they've taken 6 bloody months"

*cue champagne corks*

I reckon this is basically it and why Harvey got the chop the way he did. If they couldn't get one of the top 3, he was safe.
The charter they're coming out with is that is our duty to chase premierships for our members. With only 1 year left on his contract they could do it and give us the best chance at it.

This whole shut about you should've sacked him first is just that: shit.

Brilliant post Lach.

 

[The Night Shift]

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I think the way it's panned out is like this:
We've got Mark Harvey as coach. We've done the review and we think he's going ok. Not great but ok. We think he's got issues around game plan, maybe around communication, pre-season is a bit iffy.
As a board (thinking like a board member or CEO) we need to have a look and see who can address these areas and an appreciably better job than Mark. Not just an off chance they'll be better but they must be A LOT better.
That really narrows it down to 4: Malthouse, Clarkson, Lyon and possibly Eade.
We may have some concerns over Rodney, due to the late season implosions.

If we can't get any of these guys, then Mark is staying. he's a known quantity we'll do what we can to help him improve.
Clarkson re-signs, Malthouse is out, let's talk to Ross.

"Hey Ross what's happening, man?"

"Funny you should mention it Steve(s) but I'm ready to get away from this mob of idiots, they've taken 6 bloody months"

*cue champagne corks*

I reckon this is basically it and why Harvey got the chop the way he did. If they couldn't get one of the top 3, he was safe.
The charter they're coming out with is that is our duty to chase premierships for our members. With only 1 year left on his contract they could do it and give us the best chance at it.

This whole shut about you should've sacked him first is just that: shit.

On the money...

 

[Righteo]

"Afraid of change" comes to mind. Why are there too many West Australians like this?

I thought of this too, something about the older generation of West Aussies that refuses to accept or embrace change/progression; it can be quite frustrating and also flummoxing.

As our support base is just a sub-set of the greater population it's no surprise really how many of our "diehards" are acting so stubbornly and outraged.

 

[bfff]

I thought of this too, something about the older generation of West Aussies that refuses to accept or embrace change/progression; it can be quite frustrating and also flummoxing.

As our support base is just a sub-set of the greater population it's no surprise really how many of our "diehards" are acting so stubbornly and outraged.

These diehards seem to be clinging to the idea of a "local" football club. At your local club you promote through the ranks and support those who have spent time at the club, it's a community group. AFL clubs, like most professional sporting clubs worldwide, do not work like this, they are more business than community group. Losing a sense of community causes a lot of frustration amongst the older generation in my experience.

 

[OuterWing Parrot]

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I think the way it's panned out is like this:
We've got Mark Harvey as coach. We've done the review and we think he's going ok. Not great but ok. We think he's got issues around game plan, maybe around communication, pre-season is a bit iffy.

That's it! And Harvey projected a defeated attitude loooong before the Dockers were mathematically out of the finals race. SHould have been more positive and shown some leadership when things got tough. Instead seemed to be clueless about how to respond to the difficult circumstances. Frankly I think Harvey held a position way beyond his skillset and once it became clear he had given up we had no hope of success. Hence the seven losses to end the season.

Not a dogs act at all. In truth Harvey was cruising thinking he had another year no matter what. That's why he became vulnerable when a way more impressive candidate became available. kudos to the steves.

Presumably critics of the way it was done would prefer we did something like what happened at Western Bulldogs or Melbourne. Right now they're fumbling around trying to identify the best of the untried assistants. Give me a break!