Strategy Draft assistance 2023 [Twomey: NMFC get #19 in 2023, x2 end of 1st rd picks in 2024, and x2 extra rookie list spots in 2024; no Sanders/#11]

[Samsquanch]

floginess is off the scale with this bloke, plus cant piss another oppo to post this,

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Oh. That Nick.

 

[r00boy96]

Gil is on 360 tonight.

Apparently Robbo is going to get stuck into him over the draft assistance.

Gil will make him look like the rambling fool he is

 

[speedy]

Couldn't give a damn about the media narrative.
We've got 3x early second rounders to play with. If we keep them they'll realistically turn into a good player, a serviceable player and a miss.
I do subscribe to the theory that it would be best to trade the two future picks however as a AFL will take them away if we significantly improve (which is actually a possibility praise be!).
Therefore, do we use them for players or to upgrade picks?

Upgrade picks. We have a nucleus of special talent atm. We just need to grow that a little more. Recruiting role players is the easy part.

 

[justroyal]

‘Gil. How’s a team like * suppose to get up the ladder, when teams like North Melbourne keep manipulating the system? Tell me Gil! How?! (Insert Robbo’s passionate hand gestures going back towards his chest)

Gil: ‘uh.. *?’

‘Yes Gil! *! If you’re still going on about something that happened almost ten years ago, maybe it’s right you leave the head position at AFL house’

Gil: ‘the fukc?. You referenced north’s 10 year finals history on here last night’

‘That’s what I thought, Ge-rad! Can’t answer the question. Manipulation.’

 

[shinboner magic]

We wont see real outrage until Big Ben McKay nabs us pick 3.
North draft assistance on the MB clocked 10k last night.

Wait for it.

Is that 10k since the announcement

 

[shinboner magic]

What I’d be doing with those picks
Trade 23 p19,p39 and 24 p19 to GC for pick 4
Trade 24 p20 to gws for p6 and Haynes (Salary dump )

Leaves us with picks 2,4,6,14 and McKay compo incoming - take all picks to draft and use first 4 picks then when pick 14 listen to offers , might get a f1 and change offered for it.

We have to use these picks to start the never ending GWs/GC pick cycle.

 

[muttley45]

Is it true, Geelong's only draft pick this year is the #7 they manipulated out of Gold Coast last year ? no wonder he's so salty about our current hand, read 'em and weep sucker.

 

[My Left Foote]

I think depending on what else is available, I don't think downgrades are too unlikely.

Carlton will be aiming for top four next year as an example, so in theory we'd move down from 19 to 32ish next year, but would at least not have to fear the AFL taking that pick off us should we improve onfield.

It's not the most exciting option, but I can see it happening if there's nothing better available.

Dylan Stephens is out of contract and Zac Fisher is a salary dump, would be very disappointed of we're giving up first round picks for either of those 2 players.

 

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  , Ross Lyon and the AFL media whinging about our assistance

 

[kool kangas]

What I’d be doing with those picks
Trade 23 p19,p39 and 24 p19 to GC for pick 4
Trade 24 p20 to gws for p6 and Haynes (Salary dump )

Leaves us with picks 2,4,6,14 and McKay compo incoming - take all picks to draft and use first 4 picks then when pick 14 listen to offers , might get a f1 and change offered for it.

We have to use these picks to start the never ending GWs/GC pick cycle.

Our pick 14 will need to be used to entice either of these 2 trades..
Trade 2023 14, p19 and p39 to GC for pick 4 and Maboir Chol...so they get their points easily..

Trade 202419 and p20 for GWS pick6 and Haynes (Salary dump)

we need to give the best bids we can to beat the other clubs from getting these picks 4 and 6 ...

will leave us with 2,3 McKays Compensation, 4,6, Haynes and Chol

 

[LB2Snake]

Is it true, Geelong's only draft pick this year is the #7 they manipulated out of Gold Coast last year ? no wonder he's so salty about our current hand, read 'em and weep sucker.

Didn't they use pick 7 last year to draft the "Selwood Clone"? Jye Clarke

 

[shinboner magic]

Our pick 14 will need to be used to entice either of these 2 trades..
Trade 2023 14, p19 and p39 to GC for pick 4 and Maboir Chol...so they get their points easily..

Trade 202419 and p20 for GWS pick6 and Haynes (Salary dump)

we need to give the best bids we can to beat the other clubs from getting these picks 4 and 6 ...

will leave us with 2,3 McKays Compensation, 4,6, Haynes and Chol

You never start with your best offer

 

[kool kangas]

You never start with your best offer

l didnt .we still have our 2024 future 1st pick left....and our F2nd....The ones above are those given to us by the AFL...

 

[hilly]

Is it true, Geelong's only draft pick this year is the #7 they manipulated out of Gold Coast last year ? no wonder he's so salty about our current hand, read 'em and weep sucker.

Their natural R1 (pick 7) is their only pick in the first four rounds.

 

[ohmygewd]

Found this list. It would be interesting to see where these sides finished to qualify for this assistance. Quite a few Norm Smith Medalist, Brownlow Medalist, Coleman Medalist and Premiership Players on the list.

Filled it in for ya!!

• 1997 Pick #1 Travis Johnstone (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins),
• 1999 Pick #1 Josh Fraser (Pies finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 1999 Pick #2 Paul Hasleby (Freo finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2000 Pick #1 Nick Riewoldt (StK finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2001 Pick #1 Luke Hodge (Haw finished 6th, Freo finished 16th with 2 wins traded #1 for McPharlin)
• 2001 Pick #2 Luke Ball (Stk finished 15th with 2 wins)
• 2001 Pick #3 Chris Judd (WCE finished 14th with 5wins)
  2002 Carlton Priority Pick excluded after salary cap breach
• 2003 Pick #1 Adam Cooney (WB finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2003 Pick #2 Andrew Walker (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins, ‘02 finished 16th with 3 wins)
• 2003 Pick #3 Colin Sylvia (Mel finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2004 Pick #1 Brett Deledio (Rich finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #2 Jarry Roughead (Haw finished 15th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #3 Ryan Griffen (Dogs finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #1 Marc Murphy (Carl finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2005 Pick #2 Dale Thomas (Pies finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #3 Xavier Ellis (Haw finished 14th with 5 wins)
  2006 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2007 Pick #1 Matthew Kruezer (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins - ’06 finished 16th with 3 wins & ’05 finished 16th with 4 wins).
• 2007 Pick #18 Alex Rance (Rich finished 16th with 3 wins).
• 2009 Pick #1 Tom Scully (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins, ’08 finished 16th with 3 wins)
  2012 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2016 Pick #21 Will Hayward (Syd acquired Brisbane Priority Pick 19 in a trade Bris - Pick 19 plus Future 1st for Pearce Handley (Port) then via pick swaps which Syd acquire Bris original pick 19 (now 21).
• 2022 *Priority Pick Assistances NMFC – 2nd Round pick to sign Logue and 3rd Round pick to sign Tucker both from Freo – assistance priority picks cannot be traded and must be used, no effect to draft order.

Worth noting access to picks as well

• Melbourne - 3 picks, made GF in 2000 with Johnstone
• Hawthorn - 3 picks, 2001, 2004, 2005, GF wins in 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 with this core
• Collingwood - 2 picks, GF win/draw in 2010 & 2011 (loss) with Thomas and Fraser
• Richmond - 1 pick, 243 games & Future club captain
• Carlton, 3 picks, 658 games and counting
• St. Kilda - 2 picks, 478 games
• West Coast - Chris ******* Judd

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Filled it in for ya!!

• 1997 Pick #1 Travis Johnstone (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins),
• 1999 Pick #1 Josh Fraser (Pies finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 1999 Pick #2 Paul Hasleby (Freo finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2000 Pick #1 Nick Riewoldt (StK finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2001 Pick #1 Luke Hodge (Haw finished 6th, Freo finished 16th with 2 wins traded #1 for McPharlin)
• 2001 Pick #2 Luke Ball (Stk finished 15th with 2 wins)
• 2001 Pick #3 Chris Judd (WCE finished 14th with 5wins)
• 2003 Pick #1 Adam Cooney (WB finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2003 Pick #2 Andrew Walker (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins, ‘02 finished 16th with 3 wins)
• 2003 Pick #3 Colin Sylvia (Mel finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2004 Pick #1 Brett Deledio (Rich finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #2 Jarry Roughead (Haw finished 15th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #3 Ryan Griffen (Dogs finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #1 Marc Murphy (Carl finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2005 Pick #2 Dale Thomas (Pies finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #3 Xavier Ellis (Haw finished 14th with 5 wins)
  2006 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2007 Pick #1 Matthew Kruezer (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins - ’06 finished 16th with 3 wins & ’05 finished 16th with 4 wins).
• 2009 Pick #1 Tom Scully (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins, ’08 finished 16th with 3 wins)
  2012 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2016 Pick #21 Will Hayward (Syd acquired Brisbane Priority Pick 19 in a trade Bris - Pick 19 plus Future 1st for Pearce Handley (Port) then via pick swaps which Syd acquire Bris original pick 19 (now 21).
• 2022 *Priority Pick Assistances NMFC – 2nd Round pick to sign Logue and 3rd Round pick to sign Tucker both from Freo – assistance priority picks cannot be traded and must be used, no effect to draft order.

Worth noting access to picks as well

• Melbourne - 3 picks, made GF in 2000 with Johnstone
• Hawthorn - 3 picks, 2001, 2004, 2005, GF wins in 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 with this core
• Collingwood - 2 picks, GF win/draw in 2010 & 2011 (loss) with Thomas and Fraser
• Richmond - 1 pick, 243 games & Future club captain
• Carlton, 3 picks, 658 games and counting
• St. Kilda - 2 picks, 478 games
• West Coast - Chris ******* Judd

Just having a side giggle remembering Carlton “earned” picks 1 and 2 after the 2002 season and lost them both for cheating.

 

[Merlin007]

Filled it in for ya!!

• 1997 Pick #1 Travis Johnstone (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins),
• 1999 Pick #1 Josh Fraser (Pies finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 1999 Pick #2 Paul Hasleby (Freo finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2000 Pick #1 Nick Riewoldt (StK finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2001 Pick #1 Luke Hodge (Haw finished 6th, Freo finished 16th with 2 wins traded #1 for McPharlin)
• 2001 Pick #2 Luke Ball (Stk finished 15th with 2 wins)
• 2001 Pick #3 Chris Judd (WCE finished 14th with 5wins)
• 2003 Pick #1 Adam Cooney (WB finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2003 Pick #2 Andrew Walker (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins, ‘02 finished 16th with 3 wins)
• 2003 Pick #3 Colin Sylvia (Mel finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2004 Pick #1 Brett Deledio (Rich finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #2 Jarry Roughead (Haw finished 15th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #3 Ryan Griffen (Dogs finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #1 Marc Murphy (Carl finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2005 Pick #2 Dale Thomas (Pies finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #3 Xavier Ellis (Haw finished 14th with 5 wins)
  2006 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2007 Pick #1 Matthew Kruezer (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins - ’06 finished 16th with 3 wins & ’05 finished 16th with 4 wins).
• 2009 Pick #1 Tom Scully (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins, ’08 finished 16th with 3 wins)
  2012 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2016 Pick #21 Will Hayward (Syd acquired Brisbane Priority Pick 19 in a trade Bris - Pick 19 plus Future 1st for Pearce Handley (Port) then via pick swaps which Syd acquire Bris original pick 19 (now 21).
• 2022 *Priority Pick Assistances NMFC – 2nd Round pick to sign Logue and 3rd Round pick to sign Tucker both from Freo – assistance priority picks cannot be traded and must be used, no effect to draft order.

Worth noting access to picks as well

• Melbourne - 3 picks, made GF in 2000 with Johnstone
• Hawthorn - 3 picks, 2001, 2004, 2005, GF wins in 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 with this core
• Collingwood - 2 picks, GF win/draw in 2010 & 2011 (loss) with Thomas and Fraser
• Richmond - 1 pick, 243 games & Future club captain
• Carlton, 3 picks, 658 games and counting
• St. Kilda - 2 picks, 478 games
• West Coast - Chris ******* Judd

great work, but need to add GC?

 

[RossHenshaw]

Just having a side giggle remembering Carlton “earned” picks 1 and 2 after the 2002 season and lost them both for cheating.

The Goddard & Wells picks

 

[Roo202]

Filled it in for ya!!

• 1997 Pick #1 Travis Johnstone (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins),
• 1999 Pick #1 Josh Fraser (Pies finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 1999 Pick #2 Paul Hasleby (Freo finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2000 Pick #1 Nick Riewoldt (StK finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2001 Pick #1 Luke Hodge (Haw finished 6th, Freo finished 16th with 2 wins traded #1 for McPharlin)
• 2001 Pick #2 Luke Ball (Stk finished 15th with 2 wins)
• 2001 Pick #3 Chris Judd (WCE finished 14th with 5wins)
• 2003 Pick #1 Adam Cooney (WB finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2003 Pick #2 Andrew Walker (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins, ‘02 finished 16th with 3 wins)
• 2003 Pick #3 Colin Sylvia (Mel finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2004 Pick #1 Brett Deledio (Rich finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #2 Jarry Roughead (Haw finished 15th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #3 Ryan Griffen (Dogs finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #1 Marc Murphy (Carl finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2005 Pick #2 Dale Thomas (Pies finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #3 Xavier Ellis (Haw finished 14th with 5 wins)
  2006 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2007 Pick #1 Matthew Kruezer (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins - ’06 finished 16th with 3 wins & ’05 finished 16th with 4 wins).
• 2009 Pick #1 Tom Scully (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins, ’08 finished 16th with 3 wins)
  2012 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2016 Pick #21 Will Hayward (Syd acquired Brisbane Priority Pick 19 in a trade Bris - Pick 19 plus Future 1st for Pearce Handley (Port) then via pick swaps which Syd acquire Bris original pick 19 (now 21).
• 2022 *Priority Pick Assistances NMFC – 2nd Round pick to sign Logue and 3rd Round pick to sign Tucker both from Freo – assistance priority picks cannot be traded and must be used, no effect to draft order.

Worth noting access to picks as well

• Melbourne - 3 picks, made GF in 2000 with Johnstone
• Hawthorn - 3 picks, 2001, 2004, 2005, GF wins in 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 with this core
• Collingwood - 2 picks, GF win/draw in 2010 & 2011 (loss) with Thomas and Fraser
• Richmond - 1 pick, 243 games & Future club captain
• Carlton, 3 picks, 658 games and counting
• St. Kilda - 2 picks, 478 games
• West Coast - Chris ******* Judd

Great list

Couple of other notes of ongoing benefits of PPs;

Bulldogs - Traded Griffin for Boyd, pivotal in 2016 flag
Demons - There is direct link from Scully to trading for May - key player in 2021 flag

 

[Sphynx]

Filled it in for ya!!

• 1997 Pick #1 Travis Johnstone (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins),
• 1999 Pick #1 Josh Fraser (Pies finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 1999 Pick #2 Paul Hasleby (Freo finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2000 Pick #1 Nick Riewoldt (StK finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2001 Pick #1 Luke Hodge (Haw finished 6th, Freo finished 16th with 2 wins traded #1 for McPharlin)
• 2001 Pick #2 Luke Ball (Stk finished 15th with 2 wins)
• 2001 Pick #3 Chris Judd (WCE finished 14th with 5wins)
  2002 Carlton Priority Pick excluded after salary cap breach
• 2003 Pick #1 Adam Cooney (WB finished 16th with 1 win)
• 2003 Pick #2 Andrew Walker (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins, ‘02 finished 16th with 3 wins)
• 2003 Pick #3 Colin Sylvia (Mel finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2004 Pick #1 Brett Deledio (Rich finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #2 Jarry Roughead (Haw finished 15th with 4 wins)
• 2004 Pick #3 Ryan Griffen (Dogs finished 14th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #1 Marc Murphy (Carl finished 16th with 4 wins)
• 2005 Pick #2 Dale Thomas (Pies finished 15th with 5 wins)
• 2005 Pick #3 Xavier Ellis (Haw finished 14th with 5 wins)
  2006 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2007 Pick #1 Matthew Kruezer (Carl finished 15th with 4 wins - ’06 finished 16th with 3 wins & ’05 finished 16th with 4 wins).
• 2009 Pick #1 Tom Scully (Mel finished 16th with 4 wins, ’08 finished 16th with 3 wins)
  2012 Priority Pick Rule Adjustment
• 2016 Pick #21 Will Hayward (Syd acquired Brisbane Priority Pick 19 in a trade Bris - Pick 19 plus Future 1st for Pearce Handley (Port) then via pick swaps which Syd acquire Bris original pick 19 (now 21).
• 2022 *Priority Pick Assistances NMFC – 2nd Round pick to sign Logue and 3rd Round pick to sign Tucker both from Freo – assistance priority picks cannot be traded and must be used, no effect to draft order.

Worth noting access to picks as well

• Melbourne - 3 picks, made GF in 2000 with Johnstone
• Hawthorn - 3 picks, 2001, 2004, 2005, GF wins in 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015 with this core
• Collingwood - 2 picks, GF win/draw in 2010 & 2011 (loss) with Thomas and Fraser
• Richmond - 1 pick, 243 games & Future club captain
• Carlton, 3 picks, 658 games and counting
• St. Kilda - 2 picks, 478 games
• West Coast - Chris ******* Judd

They are only round 1 PP's.

Luke Shuey, Jack Darling and Alex Rance were all taken with PP's.

 

[ohmygewd]

great work, but need to add GC?

Forgot about them...shall do.

 

[Cyber_punk]

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People are sooking over us more than talking about the Brownlow, or Grand Final (and one that includes Collingwood none the less)

Let that sink in.

Rent. Free.


Imagine when we are actually good again

 

[Merlin007]

Forgot about them...shall do.

I do like your "and then the rule changed" - the same line of thought can apply to F/S and NGAs - eg Geelong got so much out of father sons (eg Ablett, Hawkins, Scarlett) they changed the rule to bring in bidding/discounts, and more recently, Bulldogs getting JUH prompted the change to priority access now only begins at 40

it all goes to this myth being run against the current assistance package that there's some 'integrity' to the draft

 

[Marstermind]

Gil is on 360 tonight.

Apparently Robbo is going to get stuck into him over the draft assistance.

Excellent. Gil will play him on a break. Robbo will just get all shouty, flap his hands all over the place and struggle to get a coherent sentence out.

 

[DuckYeah]

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People are sooking over us more than talking about the Brownlow, or Grand Final (and one that includes Collingwood none the less)

Let that sink in.

Rent. Free.


Imagine when we are actually good again

Its the bleeding obvious, we are going to be seriously good soon enough. As much as people on big footy bag some of our younger blokes (phillips and stephens) but these under 25’s are making opposition nuffies nervous. We have the greatest coach of the modern era with his right hand man, he took a pay cut to relieve the soft cap, he is refreshed and rejuvenated. Even Tarryn (keeps his nose clean) will be a ****ing jet. Their fear is real, it gives me a semi