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Draft: Chris Yarran

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ant555 said:
Why are you saying Yarran is just a small forward ? Yes he has been playing there in the WAFL against the big boys but the kid has played midfield.
During the Champs he played forward, half back, wing and had a couple of raotations through the middle. If you bothered to read the article you would have known he played midfield during his school footy.
See you have done another flip flop :) How many times are you going to change your choice ?
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In other words he is NOT a fulltime midfielder. Yes, that is the reason I don't want the bloke at pick 5. He is flashy and is classy no doubt but I want a GENUINE A-Grade midfielder and Hamish Hartlett fits that mould (seeing as Swift won't be gambled on at 5)
 
Kruzering said:
What about his dad being in jail as a character reference?
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What about it?

Remembering that it would be a non sequitur to say that he must have/will have problems because his father had problems in the past.

Also, guilt by association is an invalid way to determine someone character, especially when the association is familial and isn't voluntary in nature.
 
Kruzering said:
What about his dad being in jail as a character reference?
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Basically what you're trying to tell me, he is lazy because his dad is in jail?

There have been many great footballers come from less than desired family backgrounds. Gary Ablett and from memory Wayne Carey are two that spring to mind.
 

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Kruzering said:
What about his dad being in jail as a character reference?
Doesn't mean his a bad kid, but im sure he won't score any brownie points for it. Krakour just went to jail under the father/son rule.
I also don't think ants example of a fluke soccer pass is enough to get this kid drafted in the top 10.
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Tosser...
 
Kruzering said:
What about his dad being in jail as a character reference?
Doesn't mean his a bad kid, but im sure he won't score any brownie points for it. Krakour just went to jail under the father/son rule.
I also don't think ants example of a fluke soccer pass is enough to get this kid drafted in the top 10.
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His dad being in jail has not stopped him from making into the State side or Playing WAFL seniors as an 18 year old. His dad being in jail has more than likely helped him becasue he has put all his efforts into his footy.
And it was not my example, i just posted the news article. If you really think that one specail soccer pass in a school footy games is why people rate him highly then you seriously have no idea.
 
bombersno1 said:
In other words he is NOT a fulltime midfielder. Yes, that is the reason I don't want the bloke at pick 5. He is flashy and is classy no doubt but I want a GENUINE A-Grade midfielder and Hamish Hartlett fits that mould (seeing as Swift won't be gambled on at 5)
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You know what , no one really gives a stuff what you want becasue you have been proven as a fraud who simply has an opinion based on what others write. How many more changes to your opinion are you going to have ?
 
Ryder Is God said:
No one is a genuine a-grade midfielder. They may turn out to be, but it's not a guarantee.
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Some are more likely to become elite midfielders. So the question has to be, based on performances in various levels of football and results at the DC, who is the most likely to develop into an a-grad midfielder?
 
Pawtucket Patriot said:
Some are more likely to become elite midfielders. So the question has to be, based on performances in various levels of football and results at the DC, who is the most likely to develop into an a-grad midfielder?
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Pretty much and that is why I'd rather pick someone (Hartlett, Sidebottom, Ziebell, Swift) that at least play in the midfield and will do it regularly at AFL level. Yarran might play mid..he might also not. If he does not play midfield we have wasted a top5 pick in a really strong draft on a small forward.
 
Ryder Is God said:
No one is a genuine a-grade midfielder. They may turn out to be, but it's not a guarantee.
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There is a better chance of success if the person drafted actually plays midfield more often than not RIG!
 
There is a fair bit of talk that Brisbane is interested in Yarran as well and I have some concerns. I really rated him as a midfield prospect last year but not so much anymore. I don't see the Burgoyne comparisons myself I think the better comparison is Jeff Farmer. Like Farmer he could be a wizard up forward but much less effective when he moves up the ground. His reading of the play, skill level and even the cleaness of his hands seem much better up forward. I just see him as a small forward prospect now albeit a damn talented one.

On his father being in gaol I think people have a right to be apprehensive. You are a product of your environment and it has to have affected him to some degree. His situation might well have motivated him to make sure that he is never in that situation himself but you would have to put him in the higher risk bracket as far as social stability goes. Most people who abuse children were abused as a child themselves. People whose parents are divorced are more likely to divorce themselves. It doesn't happen in every case but the risks in each case are higher.

Despite all that though clubs nowerdays are very professional and you would have to think that they will have done a lot of homework and would have a lot of support mechanisms in place to support players if they need it.

What do I expect from Yarran - I think he will play from day 1 and play well. I don't think he will be as effective as Rioli was this year although he might well score more goals. I expect him to shy away from legal troubles but I can't shake the view that he might be a big go home risk.
 
bombersno1 said:
There is a better chance of success if the person drafted actually plays midfield more often than not RIG!
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Tell me how much midfield football Hartlett, Ziebell, Sidebottom have played an SANFL, WAFL level.

I'll give you a tip.. it's around 0%.

If Yarran played midfield throughout his juniors doesn't it put him in the same boat as the other guys?

How much midfield did Bryce Gibbs play at SANFL level? He was as sure a elite mid coming through yet barely played there at SANFL level. Why? Because kids rarely play in the mid at seniors. The play on the flanks and up forward like Yarran has.

Yarran has special talent to kick 39 goals in 13 games as a forward in senior footy. Most kids, top 10 rated, can barely get a kick at that level.

Ablett jnr spent 5 years at senior level playing a forward role. He's now the best mid in the comp.

Enough of this crap. If your want a serious discussion then by all means contribute. Stop trotting out the same stuff over and over again and trying to make yourself look like some sort of expert on draftees.
 
bombersno1 said:
Pretty much and that is why I'd rather pick someone (Hartlett, Sidebottom, Ziebell, Swift) that at least play in the midfield and will do it regularly at AFL level. Yarran might play mid..he might also not. If he does not play midfield we have wasted a top5 pick in a really strong draft on a small forward.
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Total BS. Whos says they will be regular stars in the midfield.
All have risks.
Rich has not yet shown he can cope with players doing a run with role and was only average at times in the WAFL.
Hartlett is on the skinny side and is not a great tackler. Has also had problems with players doing a run with role on him.
Sidebottom does have an issue with his pace. Did not test well in draft camp in that area and it could expose him at AFL level.
Ziebell, see Sidebottom. Pace is not great nad plays a lot of half forward. may never be anything more than a medium marking forward.
Swift. good draft camp results but who knows if he will ever come up at AFL level after his knee problems.
You can pick out problems with every kid in the draft and if Yarran does only end up as a small forward and kicks 50 goals a year then how is it a waste of a pick ?
FFS it would be nice if you used a bit of grey matter and thought through the issues before continually running your mouth and telling everyone what is best for the EFC!
 

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Part of this argument is veering towards who is the most likely to be an A Grade midfielder in the AFL.

I will go out on a limb and nominate SWift/Hartlett as Pure Midfielders.

I believe that Ziebell and Sidebottom could spend time in attack or defemce and query whether Rich's endurance will allow him to play full time in the midfield.
 
Emma Quayle had us taking him at 5 in her rough top 10 this morning so there has to be a reasonable possibility he'll be at Essendon next year.

No complaints from me if that's the case. He's brilliant on the ground and and in the air, his skills are brilliant and his frame's excellent. Endurance is obviously an overhanging issue, as is his natural midfield nous having not played there for much of the last 2 years, but ultimately he's a really talented footballer.

Reading through this thread what's really perplexed me is how much of a risk he's considered. The best source in this thread, the article that ant posted, labels him a pretty committed kid both to his studies and his sport. Obviously the situation with his father is less than ideal, but there's no evidence at all that any of that's rubbed off on Chris. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been an off-field issue and we can rest assured that if there has been, Prescott will have known about it.

On the field, in a lot of ways he's less of a risk. He's well and truly proven that he has the tools to at least play as a small/medium forward at AFL level. As ant mentioned earlier, all of Hartlett, Sidebottom, Ziebell and Swift come with risks in regard to weight, speed or proven ability.

There are doubts over him, as there are doubts over others, but we might have an absolite gem if we were to grab him.

I have a mate over in Western Australia that's played against Chris this year, and he likes to call him a mini-Franklin, who knows, he might be right?
 
The kid has some things in his game that he needs to work on but which kid doesnt? I love his skill level and vision, he certainly brings a skill set to the table that is severly lacking at windy hill ATM.

I'd pick him at 5.
 

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Essendonfc_4_lyfe said:
Could our interest in Yarran possibly be that we thought Lovett was out?
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not really, different type of player. Yarran isn't like a lot of the indigenous boys playing today, ie wiry flankers with electrifying pace. He is a strong bodied player who beats opponents with superior anticipation and footy smarts

the one area I think he needs to clean up is his occasional squibbing of contests. I have cringed on occasions watching him pull out of contests

Everything else is good. Don't listen to the "Yarran is lazy" crew
 

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