List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Hodgy]

It's the combination of poor endurance, pace and kicking skills. Certainly doesn't mean he won't be a great player but is pretty much the same problems as M Crouch has.

Think having both Thompson and M Crouch in the same side has been a problem. Wouldn't want to perpetuate that for the next decade.

I find it quite amusing that anyone would consider any midfielder at AFL level whose deficiencies are endurance, pace and skills. There's not much left people. Bit like a key forward whose only problems are marking and kicking for goal.

 

[Vader]

We have 3 on our list ...Crouch brothers and Sloane . All can be elite as inside mids

We need a complete mid that can play in/out and also on the flanks

Not many of those available with our picks , parish and mills are the ones that would suit from this draft

Matt Crouch won't be elite. Brad will be and Sloane already is, but neither are inside specialists.

Parish & Mills would be great, but neither are going to be available at our selection. Oliver & Mathieson are the best of the remainder, given our need for an inside midfielder.

 

[azza77]

We've lost Dangerfield and we're losing Thompson. Those are the two biggest clearance winners on our team list, by a significant margin. We need to get a player who is an inside superstar. That's not to say that we shouldn't be getting a player with in/out class, which is why I would not be unhappy with a combination of Francis/Mathieson, though I would prefer Francis/Oliver.

Matt Crouch

Sloane is also brilliant on the inside. Im looking forward to Sloane moving into a more inside role with the recruits we have picked up this year.

CEY clearance numbers were very, very good too for someone with such little experience. He's a big chance to continue this trend if he gets the opportunity.

 

[azza77]

Desperate for Milera to get through to 9. Looks to be one of those players that's impossible to tackle and can deliver a ball inside 50 yet doesn't mind the physical stuff. The fact that he's an SA boy and a crows supporter is just an added bonus.

I wanted Aish, but Milera could be a walk up replacement for Dougie in a few years.

 

[azza77]

Standby I have a hunch the knight plane will take off next season

I'm already on board. After what he was able to achieve at the back end of this year with that bad, bad ankle injury losing a whole heap of fitness, amongst very trying times... The stage is set if he completes a full pre-season.

 

[azza77]

My take on it is that Bonner sounds very outside in the way he plays, with limited inside ability and has a lot to work on defensively. Given we've just drafted Hampton and Seedsman who play very similar, to go along with Smith, Henderson, Wigg and Jaensch as attacking half back distributors, he's not fitting a massive need. Tucker is a bit similar, but seems the more complete player of the two, with greater potential to develop an inside game and become a genuine midfielder, which is far more what we need.

I like Darcy Tucker a lot more because of the tank he has on him. See him in a very similar mould to Knight actually, or even a Brad Hill. Those players that can just run all day, whether thats into space or tracking back to cover holes, and still execute with precision each and every time with the ball in hand... I think they are somewhat underrated still at this stage. I for one hate the Hawks for having that Smith/Hill combo that are always on their bike and getting into good areas.

Tucker seems very capable on his weak foot too. Tucker over Bonner for me any day if it came down to those 2.

Edit - Throw Hibberd into that category, actually reminds me a lot of Isaac Smith.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

agree re Jason Taylor - melb won't be stuffing up much from here

Jury still out on SOS , that menzel trade then using 28 on a group of v average footballers has me uncertain

It was a case of the old bf dream trade of quality for quantity... But given Carlton's desire to turnover their list I can see why... Though time will tell if it was the right thing. At least they got a solid player in kerridge.

 

[Paladin]

Matt Crouch won't be elite. Brad will be and Sloane already is, but neither are inside specialists.

Parish & Mills would be great, but neither are going to be available at our selection. Oliver & Mathieson are the best of the remainder, given our need for an inside midfielder.

Why wont M.Crouch be elite? For a second year player his numbers are elite.

You would have said exactly the same thing about Scott Thompson after 2 years!

 

[Elite Crow]

Why wont M.Crouch be elite? For a second year player his numbers are elite.

You would have said exactly the same thing about Scott Thompson after 2 years!

Vader should go through our history and have a look at how many of our 2nd year players have done better than Crouch

 

[Mismatched]

We have 3 on our list ...Crouch brothers and Sloane . All can be elite as inside mids

We need a complete mid that can play in/out and also on the flanks

Not many of those available with our picks , parish and mills are the ones that would suit from this draft

Agreed, with the three you've mentioned, plus I'm of the opinion that Ellis-Yolman will take another step up next season into this role. I think we're well enough stocked for inside specialists. I'm more than happy to go for one with 13 if they have good to elite pace and/or foot skills. Mathieson has neither of these, as such I don't see him being a worthwhile pickup with a first rounder.

We've had one of, if not the strongest inside midfield combinations in the comp over the past 4 years, with a top 3 tap ruckman, we've generally dominated the clearances, yet where has it gotten us? 1 prelim, missed the finals twice and knocked out of a Semi by close to 100 points. That's because as good as our clearance winning has been, they burn the ball and get burned on the rebound/losing stoppages.

 

[rezagun]

Surely with all the forwards that they have lost Carlton need to pick one at 8. They need to build for 5 years not next year so with a good midfield draft next year it would surely make sense to grab at least one key forward this year. If that's the case then I think they take either Burton or Mackay which means we might get Francis or Milera at 9. Let's hope so anyway.

I think theyl go weitering at 1 and mckay at 8. Leaving their pick 11 for burton or maybe collins. Their kpp stocks are thin and i believe they will use their first 3 picks on kpp.

 

[Carmo]

Standby I have a hunch the knight plane will take off next season

I'm already on board. After what he was able to achieve at the back end of this year with that bad, bad ankle injury losing a whole heap of fitness, amongst very trying times... The stage is set if he completes a full pre-season.

Have a look at the OP in the crows stats thread and see how many things knight got in to despite limited games last year.

I'll put my hand up and say he was one I predicted him to be nothing special but it looks like I am going to be eating some serious humble pie on that in the future.

 

[rezagun]

I don't think we will take mathieson.

We would take Francis

I dont think wel let francis get past our first pick.

 

[Mismatched]

Why wont M.Crouch be elite? For a second year player his numbers are elite.

You would have said exactly the same thing about Scott Thompson after 2 years!

Projects as the next Scott Thompson, Matt Priddis or Matthew Boyd, his numbers would be by far superior to all 3 as well at a similar age. He's only going to get better as he develops an AFL level tank and gains more and more experience.

 

[rezagun]

I'm already on board. After what he was able to achieve at the back end of this year with that bad, bad ankle injury losing a whole heap of fitness, amongst very trying times... The stage is set if he completes a full pre-season.

His game against the dogs in the final at the g was one for the ages. He has arrived. Expect big things from this kid next year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I find it quite amusing that anyone would consider any midfielder at AFL level whose deficiencies are endurance, pace and skills. There's not much left people. Bit like a key forward whose only problems are marking and kicking for goal.

combined with average height

 

[rezagun]

I like Darcy Tucker a lot more because of the tank he has on him. See him in a very similar mould to Knight actually, or even a Brad Hill. Those players that can just run all day, whether thats into space or tracking back to cover holes, and still execute with precision each and every time with the ball in hand... I think they are somewhat underrated still at this stage. I for one hate the Hawks for having that Smith/Hill combo that are always on their bike and getting into good areas.

Tucker seems very capable on his weak foot too. Tucker over Bonner for me any day if it came down to those 2.

Edit - Throw Hibberd into that category, actually reminds me a lot of Isaac Smith.

Ive only seen hibberds highlights video and dont know much about him, but yeah he seems alot like smith. Will be a good player imo.

 

[Elite Crow]

I find it quite amusing that anyone would consider any midfielder at AFL level whose deficiencies are endurance, pace and skills. There's not much left people. Bit like a key forward whose only problems are marking and kicking for goal.

Agreed but is Thommo pacey or does he have good skills? And I'm not sure what he had decent endurance after 2 seasons as he was mostly injured.

 

[Vader]

Why wont M.Crouch be elite? For a second year player his numbers are elite.

You would have said exactly the same thing about Scott Thompson after 2 years!

Lacks fitness, pace, and poor kicking skills (particularly when trying to kick > 15m).

• Fitness will improve with a full pre-season, but will probably never reach elite levels. Thompson's fitness was always better than Crouch's.
• Nothing we can do about his lack of pace.
  
• Thompson's kicking is poor, and he's been our clanger king for as long as I can remember. Crouch's kicking is worse. Not bad at short rage, but struggles to hit a target beyond that.

Individually, none of those are critical. Taken in combination, they're enough to mean that he'll never be elite.

Now, I'm not saying that he's a bad footballer, a spud, below AFL standard, or anything like that. He's good enough to have a long and successful AFL career. He just won't reach the elite level, that's all.

 

[Vader]

Agreed, with the three you've mentioned, plus I'm of the opinion that Ellis-Yolman will take another step up next season into this role. I think we're well enough stocked for inside specialists. I'm more than happy to go for one with 13 if they have good to elite pace and/or foot skills. Mathieson has neither of these, as such I don't see him being a worthwhile pickup with a first rounder.

We've had one of, if not the strongest inside midfield combinations in the comp over the past 4 years, with a top 3 tap ruckman, we've generally dominated the clearances, yet where has it gotten us? 1 prelim, missed the finals twice and knocked out of a Semi by close to 100 points. That's because as good as our clearance winning has been, they burn the ball and get burned on the rebound/losing stoppages.

We have quantity. We don't have quality. Thompson's retirement next year will mean that we won't have quantity either.

You raise a valid point about our lack of an outside game. That's why the club traded for the players it did. This deficiency has been addressed. The loss of Dangerfield, combined with the imminent loss of Thompson, means that was formerly a strength will soon be a weakness. We've already addressed the outside weakness, now we need to address the inside weakness.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Matt Crouch won't be elite. Brad will be and Sloane already is, but neither are inside specialists.

Parish & Mills would be great, but neither are going to be available at our selection. Oliver & Mathieson are the best of the remainder, given our need for an inside midfielder.[

Vader - crouch and sloane are contested ball winners , stoppage and clearance players ... They v much are INSIDE players

Sloane has played on a wing as outside mid due to us having enough inside mids in the past and severely lacking in outside mids. He was able to play out there because he runs hard and can follow structures and coaches instructions

Now that danger has gone, sloane will be our key inside mid closely followed by B crouch who is similarly inside contested possession winner if he can get on the park

We also have Thommo for one more season and M Crouch and CEY coming through

We have elite talent inside mids despite the loss of danger and despite our trading we have no proven outside mids but hope that smith , Seedsman , hampton can fill those roles

Ps Sloane 18 th in CP per game in league last year and 12th in 2014. B Crouch 44th in CP per game in an interupted 2014

M Crouch, Sloane and B Crouch are INSIDE MIDS no doubt

 

[Elite Crow]

Lacks fitness, pace, and poor kicking skills (particularly when trying to kick > 15m).

• Fitness will improve with a full pre-season, but will probably never reach elite levels. Thompson's fitness was always better than Crouch's.
• Nothing we can do about his lack of pace.
  
• Thompson's kicking is poor, and he's been our clanger king for as long as I can remember. Crouch's kicking is worse. Not bad at short rage, but struggles to hit a target beyond that.

Individually, none of those are critical. Taken in combination, they're enough to mean that he'll never be elite.

Now, I'm not saying that he's a bad footballer, a spud, below AFL standard, or anything like that. He's good enough to have a long and successful AFL career. He just won't reach the elite level, that's all.

How much did you see of Thommo in his first 2 years to state his fitness was better?

 

[Pdub]

You guys can make fun out of Wayne's-World all you like about his rant but he has a point here. While quite a few posters are being flippant with pick 13 and willing to take a massive risk or take whatever particular type of player is available, the club will certainly take it very seriously. Bottom line is that the club will not be taking big risks with either 9 or 13. They are looking for "certainties". No doubt about it.

I disagree, last year we took a risk. Taking a risk with a big payoff is a way the club can make up for the lost picks. But the club will obviously do their due diligence. With Burton for example, the club wouldn't take him unless the medical team has given him the thumbs up with no ifs, buts or maybes. The risk they will take is that they haven't seen him play in almost 2 years, but 2 years ago he was touted as a possible pick 1.

If we had not lost any picks the club would have continued on with the same draft process they always have of picking up certainties. But we won't win a premiership playing it safe after losing those 4 picks, playing it safe would ensure we continue to be a 6 - 12 team for the next 10 years.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We have quantity. We don't have quality. Thompson's retirement next year will mean that we won't have quantity either.

You raise a valid point about our lack of an outside game. That's why the club traded for the players it did. This deficiency has been addressed. The loss of Dangerfield, combined with the imminent loss of Thompson, means that was formerly a strength will soon be a weakness. We've already addressed the outside weakness, now we need to address the inside weakness.

The outside mid issue has not been addressed , it has been worked on. We could v much still do with a milera type to fill that role in years to come

To think that Seedsman , hampton and Menzel are more quality outside mids than the crouch brothers, CEY and sloane as inside mids couldn't be further from the truth ....our inside mids are by and larger proven they have what it takes where our outside mids are speculative at this stage

 

[Jeffcrowe]

More than any player I'd love to see M Crouch complete a full pre season for the first time in his life

I think he would shock the league next season with his output

Will be a far superior player with multiple pre seasons , I think he ends up our biggest ball winner