List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[lunacy]

No ....he'll have a personal escort for his entire career off grounds

What utter stupidity ......what makes some views even more ridiculous is if Sloane did it, we'd all, and i mean all, would find an excuse for him .....but not a potential draftee

What would be the chances of Curnow staying at the Crows if we picked him?

He is a Vic boy, his brother plays for Carlton in his home state and we burnt his brother by delisting him prematurely.

I know you take best available but if Milera is there, we have to take him over Curnow imo. The difference between the 2 is so marginal its not worth the go home factor which imo would be a near certainty with Curnow.

Plus I don't rate Curnow's field kicking at all.

 

[Draft Bored]

What would be the chances of Curnow staying at the Crows if we picked him?

He is a Vic boy, his brother plays for Carlton in his home state and we burnt his brother by delisting him prematurely.

I know you take best available but if Milera is there, we have to take him over Curnow imo. The difference between the 2 is so marginal its not worth the go home factor which imo would be a near certainty with Curnow.

Plus I don't rate Curnow's field kicking at all.

I'm the same.

Cal's comments this morning make me think Milera/McKay/Francis might be gone. Or maybe he thinks Milera will still be available at 13 if he's there at 9? Surely not.

Maybe the Crows want Carlton to think we're into him so they take him at 8 and let McKay fall to 9?

Looking forward to the draft tomorrow night. Who's going?

 

[Elite Crow]

At the risk of copping abuse from those with different views, here are my thoughts on our current list and our greatest needs in the draft.

I am not keen to draft a one paced, inside midfielder. I can't see any Judds or Dangerfields in the draft with the capacity to win lots of stoppages but also have explosive pace. Last year our preferred inside mids in order were Thommo, Dangerfield, Dougie, Sloaney, Matty Crouch and CEY. As others have pointed out, winning the stoppages was not a good indicator of our success winning the match.

IMHO our 2 greatest weaknesses in 2015 were outside midfielders and rebounding defenders. Once Matty Jaensch did his knee, we were forced to used Brodie Smith and/or Hendo in the back six. Luke Brown is a lockdown defender and Rory Laird was excellent as the extra man in defence. Perhaps we drafted Hampson, Seedsman and Menzel because we intend to use Smith or Laird in the midfield. (Just quietly, I think Rory Laird could be a superb inside mid).

My priority of needs is
1) Speedy ball carrier with good disposal skills who can play as rebounding defenders or outside midfielders (Parish, Francis, Milera, Bonner, Tucker, Hibberd)
2) Marking Forwards (Schache, Weideman, H McKay, Curnow, Burton)
3) Key Defenders (Weitering, Collins, B McKay)

IMHO we don't need
1) Extra inside mids unless they have other strings to their bow
2) Small Forwards
3) Small defenders

I'd like Francis and Milera but we are unlikely to get Parish or Francis and I am not convinced Milera will be available at pick 9.
So.... I think the most likely outcome is McKay or Curnow at pick 9 and Tucker, Hibberd or Bonner (my choice) at pick 13.

But I'd love to be wrong and get Milera at pick 9.

I dare you to put that in your sig

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The thing that has me a bit reluctant about Milera is he doesn't actually look that quick. Pace looks average at best to me and maybe not quite that quick.

Elusive and hard to tackle, but our midfield needs genuine pace and I'm not sure Milera (or anyone else who's likely to be available at 9) has it.

Am I wrong? brucetiki you would've seen more of him than anyone else here. What do you think?

I'll answer if you don't mind

He is top 10% in this draft for repeat sprints and in terms of speed that is the most important test as how many times does a player run flat out 20m completely fresh ( basically never unless playing deep forward )

On top of that he is the sharpest thinker in this draft in traffic so when you combine those 2 features he is plenty quick enough

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I'm the same.

Cal's comments this morning make me think Milera/McKay/Francis might be gone. Or maybe he thinks Milera will still be available at 13 if he's there at 9? Surely not.

Maybe the Crows want Carlton to think we're into him so they take him at 8 and let McKay fall to 9?

Looking forward to the draft tomorrow night. Who's going?

Really hope we are putting on a show interviewing and drinking ( coffee) with curnow all day today including a tour of Adelaide oval so Carlton take him at 8 leaving us with Milera and H McKay at 9 and 13 while Carlton take risks with curnow and burton

 

[Sanders]

Oh good, you missed my point.

I meant when Curnow doesn't go top 5 it shows that other recruiters have been put off which matches my concerns about him. I'm not saying he won't be a superstar, I'm saying he's now a risk.

You're crazy if you think he's any more of a risk than he has ever been. If recruiters are put off, they will be right or they will be wrong.

Hawthorn took Mitch Thorpe because Joel Selwood was too much of a risk (bear in mind they took the risk on Beau Dowler the year before). And you know what? No one is patting them on the back for group think.

It's about being right or wrong. That's all. And his career will answer that question, nothing else. Not the momentum of draft day group think.

 

[Sanders]

What would be the chances of Curnow staying at the Crows if we picked him?

He is a Vic boy, his brother plays for Carlton in his home state and we burnt his brother by delisting him prematurely.

I know you take best available but if Milera is there, we have to take him over Curnow imo. The difference between the 2 is so marginal its not worth the go home factor which imo would be a near certainty with Curnow.

Plus I don't rate Curnow's field kicking at all.

Who says the difference is marginal? Neither of us knows whether that is the case

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Who says the difference is marginal? Neither of knows whether that is the case

There is a possibility we don't rate curnow from a playing talent perspective

If we do rate him I agree that we take him despite the incident but I'm not sure we do ... We find out soon enough

 

[Mike Smyth]

Given the go home factor, Milera and Burton for me. If Francis somehow slips, Milera and Francis would be pants around the ankles stuff.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Evasiveness and agility along with decent/above average pace is way more important than genuine straight line pace imo.

Look at Robbie Gray, he isn't quick at all, but he is so evasive and hard to catch. Milera would definitely have quicker straight line speed than Gray too.

Straight line speed can be a touch overrated unless they actually play fast. ie Brodie Smith didn't actually test that well in the 20m sprint but he plays fast because he takes off and has the willingness to take the game on. Where as someone like Hendo tests really quick, but he doesn't play quick so you rarely see it or benefit from it.

Whie straight line speed is not the be all and end all, it has its importance. Evasiveness doesn't break lines and create the sort of ball movement that makes forwards' lives easy. Robbie Gray is a much less effective footballer without Polec and White creating havoc. We have the good in traffic types - I think we really need the line breaking types.

Also, when you don't have the ball, you need to be able to catch the opposition. Evasiveness doens't help you do that.

In terms of line breaking ability, Smith is the prototype in our team. Now I have no idea what his straight line speed is like, but one thing he does have is the timing of how to hit a contest to be moving more quickly than everyone else at the other end of it - more "footy fast" than actual fast - one of cmndstab's hobby horses over the years. This is something I see in Bonner as well which is part of what makes me keen for us to reach for him at 13. I don't really see it in Milera (admittedly on the strength of about 5 minutes of highlights).

He is top 10% in this draft for repeat sprints

This does make me feel better about Milera, thanks.

 

[Sanders]

There is a possibility we don't rate curnow from a playing talent perspective

If we do rate him I agree that we take him despite the incident but I'm not sure we do ... We find out soon enough

That's why I don't care who we take. Nobody here knows the first thing about any of these guys. We'll get 2 names in. We'll high five and that will be that.

 

[DJ75]

Getting one of Milera or Francis would be awesome.

Getting Curnow or H McKay would be great.

Missing all of them would be a disaster. The Herald Sun PD was pretty much a worse case scenario.

I'm thinking at this stage you can completely count out Francis, Essendon will grab him. I think GC will go Milera and Carlton H McKay. That doesn't leave us a lot to get excited about...

 

[Jack is Back]

I dare you to put that in your sig

I presume that you are referring to "At the risk of copping abuse from those with different views, here are my thoughts on our current list and our greatest needs in the draft".

Whilst I was enjoying the odd Chianti or ten whilst completing a study tour of Italy and the Greek Islands in October, I occasionally checked out Bigfooty (without participating). What was very obvious to me in my tranquil state is that there are a couple of very angry ants on the Adelaide Bigfooty Board. It doesn't matter what the subject happens to be, these "contributors" are just waiting to hurl abuse at anyone that disagrees with their view of life. Ironically, IMHO these posters often have the least to contribute.

Is it worth abusing someone who thinks we need more inside midfielders? I think not (unless it's Vader and I feel obliged to annoy him on principal). There seems to be too many Tony Abbotts on this Board and not enough Malcolm Turnbulls (although I guess it's easier to be relaxed if you are a multi-millionaire .

Any chance that we call all enjoy our best draft in living memory?

 

[Draft Bored]

I presume that you are referring to "At the risk of copping abuse from those with different views, here are my thoughts on our current list and our greatest needs in the draft".

Whilst I was enjoying the odd Chianti or ten whilst completing a study tour of Italy and the Greek Islands in October, I occasionally checked out Bigfooty (without participating). What was very obvious to me in my tranquil state is that there are a couple of very angry ants on the Adelaide Bigfooty Board. It doesn't matter what the subject happens to be, these "contributors" are just waiting to hurl abuse at anyone that disagrees with their view of life. Ironically, IMHO these posters often have the least to contribute.

Is it worth abusing someone who thinks we need more inside midfielders? I think not (unless it's Vader and I feel obliged to annoy him on principal). There seems to be too many Tony Abbotts on this Board and not enough Malcolm Turnbulls (although I guess it's easier to be relaxed if you are a multi-millionaire .

Any chance that we call all enjoy our best draft in living memory?

Agreed. This has been one of the most negative threads I've ever participated in on this board.

I have no idea how something so positive (prospective new players at our club) can become so negative.

 

[jackster83]

Agreed. This has been one of the most negative threads I've ever participated in on this board.

I have no idea how something so positive (prospective new players at our club) can become so negative.

Probably because we don't have later picks to use on needs or project players. The draft for talent ideology becomes tested when you only have two picks and limited depth in a number of positions.

 

[dylan123]

Oh you do-gooder ......you know that approach would wipe out half this draft class

I doubt half the draft class would be stupid enough to drink and then get behind the wheel when it's made VERY clear that there's zero tolerance for any alcohol in your system as a red P plater.

I'm all for second chances and people make mistakes, but it's a pretty bloody stupid and selfish one to make.

 

[FAITH]

Collins coach pumped him up bigtime on SEN

 

[Untouchables22]

Collins coach pumped him up bigtime on SEN

Heard this. Talked up his chances of playing up forward too and his rebounding abilities as a KPD. Is that just a coach being kind?

 

[gilbp33]

What would be the chances of Curnow staying at the Crows if we picked him?

He is a Vic boy, his brother plays for Carlton in his home state and we burnt his brother by delisting him prematurely.

I know you take best available but if Milera is there, we have to take him over Curnow imo. The difference between the 2 is so marginal its not worth the go home factor which imo would be a near certainty with Curnow.

Plus I don't rate Curnow's field kicking at all.

We drafted Ed Curnow as a rookie, only a 1 year contract, so wasn't burnt early as such. I agree though that we'd look hard at the drafting of Ed to see any similarities with Charlie. Interesting that he's now in our reach...

 

[big78sam]

I will add he is a damn good tackler in the Charlie Cameron mould.

Do you mean cc is a good tackler? He is NOT. If they cant see him coming he sticks them but anyone can do that. If they have any idea he's coming he gets shrugged off almost every time. It's his speed, not his tackling that is his attribute

 

[Stiffy_18]

Like me at 20 after a few Tequila shots down the bay .....being responsible, I parked the car 500mtrs from Keswick barricks to have a rest ......trouble was i parked middle lane of Anzac Highway

That's the story i can tell .....also let me tell you it had no impact on my Business life

Similarly on my Ps I got blind drunk and got behind the wheel of the car, dropped off mates at their place and went home. Woke up the next day sick a sa dog, terrible headache and not remembering much. Got up shit scared trying to recollect what happened the night before. First thing I did was crawl my way to my car to see if there is any damage on it. Luckily there wasn't and it all ended up well but could have been MUCH MUCH worse. Never again did I get behind the wheel of the car even after 1 beer.

That certainly had no impact on my career nor would anyone label me as a irresponsible prick because of it. We all do stupid things at young age, then we mature. I am sick and tired of all the goody two shoes that are quick to judge others but never look at themselves in the mirror. We all have done stupid things in life, some of much even do so at older age but never get scrutinized for it. Curnow did a stupid, stupid thing but I have probably done worse things than he did and it didn't have negative impact on my career. If anything some of the stupid things that I did smartened me up. I would be very comfortable with our environment around the footy club being a great catalyst in getting Curnow on the straight and narrow. Like I said, he did what majority of 18 year olds have done at some point in life. The only difference is that he got caught and he just happens to have some sort of media scrutiny on him. Hell if I had the media scruity on me I never would have gotten a fair go.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Any love at all for Burton?

 

[Stiffy_18]

We've all done these things but we aren't modern AFL footballers. AFL clubs want "elite" attitudes and work ethic, particularly ours.

I sure as hell did many stupid things when I was younger but the timing in this case is what makes it worse. 4 days before he becomes an AFL player he's drink driving...

It will absolutely affect his draft position which will vindicate my argument.

But will it affect his AFL career? That is the big question. Just because he slides, it doesn't mean that he will not fulfill his potential as an AFL footballer. If he flops there, then you will be justified. Saying he will slide is the easy way out. Blind Freddy can see that but I am betting that the team will get a bargain somewhere and I don't think it's wrong that I want my team to get a bargain.

Let's put it this way, I would be lot more comfortable taking a "gamble" on Curnow at 9 than I would be taking one on Burton at 13.

 

[Team DJ]

Any love at all for Burton?

Yes. Big. Reminds me of 18 year old James Hird

 

[Draft Bored]

Similarly on my Ps I got blind drunk and got behind the wheel of the car, dropped off mates at their place and went home. Woke up the next day sick a sa dog, terrible headache and not remembering much. Got up shit scared trying to recollect what happened the night before. First thing I did was crawl my way to my car to see if there is any damage on it. Luckily there wasn't and it all ended up well but could have been MUCH MUCH worse. Never again did I get behind the wheel of the car even after 1 beer.

That certainly had no impact on my career nor would anyone label me as a irresponsible prick because of it. We all do stupid things at young age, then we mature. I am sick and tired of all the goody two shoes that are quick to judge others but never look at themselves in the mirror. We all have done stupid things in life, some of much even do so at older age but never get scrutinized for it. Curnow did a stupid, stupid thing but I have probably done worse things than he did and it didn't have negative impact on my career. If anything some of the stupid things that I did smartened me up. I would be very comfortable with our environment around the footy club being a great catalyst in getting Curnow on the straight and narrow. Like I said, he did what majority of 18 year olds have done at some point in life. The only difference is that he got caught and he just happens to have some sort of media scrutiny on him. Hell if I had the media scruity on me I never would have gotten a fair go.

I totally agree but I don't believe clubs have the luxury of hoping their recruits learn from their mistakes. If I were a recruiter, a first round selection would have to be a certainty of making it with elite standards on and off the field (health/diet/training/decisions).

It's harsh but we only get to take 1 or 2 first rounders every year to maintain a 40+ man roster. Carlton are the ones who can gamble and I think they will and it will probably pay off.

Out of curiosity, would you have done what you did if you were about to be drafted in the AFL?