Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

[eDPS]

Spoiler: eDPS 2020 Phantom Draft

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

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Spoiler: Draft Central Draft Guide

 

[HollyValentine]

What stops these guys requesting to go to geelong after we have built them up

 

[Howard Moon]

Im not overly enamoured with that draft haul to be honest

Wait til you see next year's...SUPERDRAFT.

Til the form is exposed then , wait til you see the year later, SUPERDRAFT!

 

[Yoda_]

I would have no issues if Cals prediction came through.

Bruhn is in the top few midfielders with exceptional skills. Genuine midfielder who can win contested footy and has class.
Reid is rated the second best defender. Tall , mobile and good skills.
Henry is a good marking flanker (forward or back) with a bit of X factor and it would not surprise to see him pushing up to a wing. Has speed. Strong mark. Goal kicker.

Some of you blokes just get tied to a few players which always leads to disappointment. There are plenty who have seen a bit of these blokes would say we have picked the best 3 players available.

Personally I like Perkins but Henry is a similar player. Also have a slight preference for Cox but only because he provides a forward potion as well and we will take Eyre and Brand who can also play KP defense.

Sure there is not tall midfielder or "bull" but at least there is a class midfielder. I suppose the only question with Bruhn is the knee issues but right now he is having no problems with it at all.

Does Henry have scope to play midfield? that's the biggest question from those three predicted for us

 

[Yoda_]

True. It is easy to sit and evaluate all the players and get some good results but the real challenge is to put yourself in the recruiters chair and participate in a phantom draft each year pitted against others. It is then you will find out if you are going at 60% you are in the elite bracket.

Dodoro goes at 60% and we've gone no where for 15 years. Understand it's not all him but he needs to do something different to get different results.

 

[ant555]

Those players aren't individually bad. The top 10 at this stage are highly rated. Do they really complement our list though? There's a reason why most draft watchers believe players like Perkins, O'Driscoll and McInnes suit as the most.

If anyone needs a big bodied inside mid, it is Essendon. It doesn't make sense for us to go for Dunkley, fail to get him, then select a Henry type who we already have in spades when McInnes is available.

Bruhn is a classy inside mid that I'm happy with, but his injury history means he's a risky selection. We can't only rely on him as an inside mid. We already have Caldwell who also has an extensive injury history.
At 183cm and 74kg, he's also not big. He'd need at least one or two big bodies around him.

We should be selecting two of Perkins, McInnes, Bruhn or O'Driscoll and one of Reid and Cox.
If we're scared of reaching for O'Driscoll, trade back and select Henry and O'Driscoll with Collingwood's picks if we really want Henry.

We may not be experts, but anyone can see how inept Dodoro has been at drafting big bodied inside mids. Otherwise, I wouldn't even believe Twoomey's phantom draft. If he can't get it right with 3 top 10 picks, then he's never going to build a balanced list.

So given we have no Saad or McKenna and not many players who can mark the footy through the middle then we do not need a 188cm marking flanker with good pace, good skills who can also kick goals ?
I have also been on Dodoros case as far as list balance goes but the fact is yes we lack the big inside midfielder but we also lack genuine classy midfielders with good skills and ball use and a good wing prospect who can mark the footy and also has pace.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Henry just screams Robbie Gray

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[ant555]

Does Henry have scope to play midfield? that's the biggest question from those three predicted for us

Has the scope to be a strong marking wing with speed at a minimum. We do actually win clearances. What we do not have is strong marking players forward of defense. He has X factor.

 

[fairbump_playon]

You just get that feeling there's going to be massive melting on our board come late Wednesday night.

The consensus top ten on here is not the consensus top ten everywhere - far from it.

So... yes. Melts are coming.

 

[andleanback]

I would argue Cal knows a bit. Sure he has the connections but he also has access to the games. To say otherwise is rubbish.
You seem to miss a really important part of talent identification. The ability to listen to other opinions.

Pretty sure most people have access to the games, it’s not hard to buy a sanfl live pass or watch nab league games on YouTube, champs and so on. Of course you have to listen to others opinions on players but most people (Including recruiters) see a lot of players differently.

 

[ant555]

Henry just screams Robbie Grey.

And 5cm taller.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Righto then.

Have you watched a singular full game (not highlights or twitter friendly clips) for the players you want drafted?

Can you tell me what performances or qualities you have watched of Bruhn/Reid/Henry that indicates to you that they wont be quality AFL level players?

Tell me, what level or basis of knowledge (other than 2nd or 3rd hand via the media) do you have that the guys you want drafted will be better players than Bruhn, Reid or Henry that would make this a 'what if'?

We watch the highlight videos of these guys and become experts. I still remember the cries of anguish when we took Ridley over Witherden.

The reality is that recruiting staff are tracking these kids from u16s onwards. The average punter really only pays any attention to u18s, so seeing that we havent had those this year, i will trust the club and the 3+ years of prior prep they have put in when making the decision, as i have no actual basis tp question it in this year of all years.

98% of us would say no to these questions but Essendon recruiting team supposedly has for the last 20 years and how well have they gone?

If supporters on here aren’t allowed to voice their opinions then this thread is void?

I guess 100k at ANZAC day aren’t allowed to scream BALL because they’ve never been a past player or umpire?

 

[Volbeat]

So twomey agrees with me. Going on the rest of his phantom, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

 

[JayJ20]

So given we have no Saad or McKenna and not many players who can mark the footy through the middle then we do not need a 188cm marking flanker with good pace, good skills who can also kick goals ?
I have also been on Dodoros case as far as list balance goes but the fact is yes we lack the big inside midfielder but we also lack genuine classy midfielders with good skills and ball use and a good wing prospect who can mark the footy and also has pace.

I agree with that as a need, but I definitely don't prioritise it over replacing Jobe. We had Saad and McKenna and we haven't come close to success. There's other ways of addressing our need for marking flankers while also thinking about fixing our list balance, eg selecting Cox over Reid.

I think we should be selecting Perkins as the flanker who can eventually play in the midfield, Cox as the versatile KPP who can eventually play on a wing and McInnes, who can develop into the big bodied inside mid we need. I wouldn't mind replacing Perkins or McInnes with Bruhn to give us some class through the middle.

I'd also rather not deal with Henry's pull to play with his brother at Geelong given Geelong are much more successful than we are.

 

[Keystone agony]

True. It is easy to sit and evaluate all the players and get some good results but the real challenge is to put yourself in the recruiters chair and participate in a phantom draft each year pitted against others. It is then you will find out if you are going at 60% you are in the elite bracket.

Very well said

Whatever the measure the guys are aiming to be in that percentile above the average and id say weve done that with our drafting on a whole

The safe argument at the top end could be valid at times and Bruhn/Reid seem very essendon picks like Parish and Francis except maybe skinnier on the Francis end. An accumulating midfielder with no negatives and a 2nd/3rd tall defender

The team seem to take riskier options at later picks

But Twomey will be further off with this years predictions than any other year tahts for sure and in the video and even the lead up content hasnt been assured of too much so im certainlu not taking much to the bank

 

[ant555]

Pretty sure most people have access to the games, it’s not hard to buy a sanfl live pass or watch nab league games on YouTube, champs and so on. Of course you have to listen to others opinions on players but most people (Including recruiters) see a lot of players differently.

I know they do but I am giving you a free tip here. You always need as much info as you can glean in this game. Recruiters talk to each other all the time about players.
And yes you can get a SANFL pass but in a normal year when NAB league is up and running there is plenty of vision that is not simply available to everyone and on top of that all the Champion Data stuff is limited to Clubs and media.

At the end of the day you make your own mind up but the best advice I was ever given was compile as much info as possible. That is why I have always read all the player profiles I can. You will find most of the time it consolidates what you already know. Cal does a shit load of work in this area and has had to. It is simply cheap to keep firing shots at him.

 

[Duckworth]

Has the scope to be a strong marking wing with speed at a minimum. We do actually win clearances. What we do not have is strong marking players forward of defense. He has X factor.

We win clearances, but can also be monstered by strong midfield teams. If we want to play a style of footy that will win us a final the midfield still needs more work.

 

[Yoda_]

So given we have no Saad or McKenna and not many players who can mark the footy through the middle then we do not need a 188cm marking flanker with good pace, good skills who can also kick goals ?
I have also been on Dodoros case as far as list balance goes but the fact is yes we lack the big inside midfielder but we also lack genuine classy midfielders with good skills and ball use and a good wing prospect who can mark the footy and also has pace.

I think this will give evidence to why Dodoro needs to go.

Why is Clarke still on the list? What is Snelling going to bring that Ham brings or vice versa? what are we doing about the constant injries to guys we've been waiting 5 years to come good on? (looks at Jayde Laverde). We have so many almost or nothing players that clog up our list. We make 4 harsh decisions (albeit in a better year than 2020) and the list would give us much more flexibility, instead we are moving Dylan Clarke

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and Marty Gleeson (yay!) to the rookie list. Why not pay them out and go for kids?

 

[ant555]

I agree with that as a need, but I definitely don't prioritise it over replacing Jobe. We had Saad and McKenna and we haven't come close to success. There's other ways of addressing our need for marking flankers while also thinking about fixing our list balance, eg selecting Cox over Reid.

I think we should be selecting Perkins as the flanker who can eventually play in the midfield, Cox as the versatile KPP who can eventually play on a wing and McInnes, who can develop into the big bodied inside mid we need. I wouldn't mind replacing Perkins or McInnes with Bruhn to give us some class through the middle.

I'd also rather not deal with Henry's pull to play with his brother at Geelong.

Serious ?

 

[JayJ20]

Serious ?

Yes serious, but that's only a minor reason. If I believed he was the best fit for our list, I wouldn't consider it.

 

[ant555]

We win clearances, but can also be monstered by strong midfield teams. If we want to play a style of footy that will win us a final the midfield still needs more work.

We actually get monstered by teams that continually out mark us just as much as contested footy. We also have an issue with a lack of actual midfield class and not just big.

 

[DERO]

We actually get monstered by teams that continually out mark us just as much as contested footy. We also have an issue with a lack of actual midfield class and not just big.

Someone who can mark a bloody kick in would be nice.

 

[ant555]

Someone who can mark a bloody kick in would be nice.

Yes.

 

[Corleone]

Righto then.

Have you watched a singular full game (not highlights or twitter friendly clips) for the players you want drafted?

Can you tell me what performances or qualities you have watched of Bruhn/Reid/Henry that indicates to you that they wont be quality AFL level players?

Tell me, what level or basis of knowledge (other than 2nd or 3rd hand via the media) do you have that the guys you want drafted will be better players than Bruhn, Reid or Henry that would make this a 'what if'?

We watch the highlight videos of these guys and become experts. I still remember the cries of anguish when we took Ridley over Witherden.

The reality is that recruiting staff are tracking these kids from u16s onwards. The average punter really only pays any attention to u18s, so seeing that we havent had those this year, i will trust the club and the 3+ years of prior prep they have put in when making the decision, as i have no actual basis tp question it in this year of all years.

Nope, I'm not a recruiter, nor have I watched anything beyond YouTube clips. I am not pretending to be one either. I'm simply expressing how important this Draft is and based on the information that's out there (however limited it may be) what I believe would be the correct course of action. After listening to Adrian's Dodcast earlier in the year I have lost faith in our recruiting and drafting. I'm not suggesting I could do a better job, rather I'm simply stating that I have no faith in their decision making process.

Easy to say that from the comfort of my couch I admit. If everything else played out as per Cal's predictions I would hope we would pick Perkins, Cox and O'Driscoll. Time will tell if I'm right or wrong.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Those players aren't individually bad. The top 10 at this stage are highly rated. Do they really complement our list though? There's a reason why most draft watchers believe players like Perkins, O'Driscoll and McInnes suit as the most.

If anyone needs a big bodied inside mid, it is Essendon. It doesn't make sense for us to go for Dunkley, fail to get him, then select a Henry type who we already have in spades when McInnes is available.

Bruhn is a classy inside mid that I'm happy with, but his injury history means he's a risky selection. We can't only rely on him as an inside mid. We already have Caldwell who also has an extensive injury history.
At 183cm and 74kg, he's also not big. He'd need at least one or two big bodies around him.

We should be selecting two of Perkins, McInnes, Bruhn or O'Driscoll and one of Reid and Cox.
If we're scared of reaching for O'Driscoll, trade back and select Henry and O'Driscoll with Collingwood's picks if we really want Henry.

We may not be experts, but anyone can see how inept Dodoro has been at drafting big bodied inside mids. Otherwise, I wouldn't even believe Twoomey's phantom draft. If he can't get it right with 3 top 10 picks, then he's never going to build a balanced list.

You don't just select players based on immediate need though, especially with top 10 picks. If we don't rate two of Perkins, McInnes, Bruhn or O'Driscoll as top 10 picks then why select them there? May as well have traded two top 10's for Dunkley! I'm also not buying into the "big mid" hype. Sure we need an inside mid, but they don't need to be "big" to be able to win the ball inside and get dish it to the outside runners, they do however need to be AFL quality! If you look at the bigger picture you really do need to take the best available (within reason of course). Next year we can quite easily trade or acquire via FA a Dunkley type and solve our inside mid woes instantly. Fact is whoever we draft on Wednesday is unlikely to have a major impact for at least another 3 years (or longer as I mentioned earlier)...

 

[Duckworth]

We actually get monstered by teams that continually out mark us just as much as contested footy. We also have an issue with a lack of actual midfield class and not just big.

We have lots of problems. Probably why we finished 5th from the bottom. I like Perkins (no knowledge) other than he looks like he addresses a few (of the many) things our list needs. Ability to mark coming out of defence, and isn't an undersized mid.
edit: I agree with your post BTW