Recruiting Draft Watch 2021

[eDPS]

eDPS's 2021 Draft Rankings

Lore's 2021 Provisional Draft Order
Any issues with it please tag Lore in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-provisional-draft-order.1251001/

 

[Harlequin Dream]

I don't think we need a true small defender at all.

There are some very good teams that are happy to play athletic mediums on the oppositions small forwards. Who is the true small defender at Geelong?

 

[andleanback]

I can’t see us picking up Callow, just doesn’t fit a need currently. Hurley is also playing forward remember, so even if hooker retires at the end of the year, Hurley may take that role. Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Wright, Jones, Eyre, Baldwin even McBride and you add Callow that’s 9 key forwards on a list (even cox could be a gun forward if we needed and stringer plays as a pseudo key forward), we have other pressing needs that should be looked at if we are using a pick.

 

[faible]

I can’t see us picking up Callow, just doesn’t fit a need currently. Hurley is also playing forward remember, so even if hooker retires at the end of the year, Hurley may take that role. Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Wright, Jones, Eyre, Baldwin even McBride and you add Callow that’s 9 key forwards on a list (even cox could be a gun forward if we needed and stringer plays as a pseudo key forward), we have other pressing needs that should be looked at if we are using a pick.

Hurley is a very different player to Hooker, Hooker is the strong contested marking type that Wright maybe could be, but Jones isn't likely to be. Hurley can't take a mark overhead uncontested let alone out of a pack.

Baldwin sounds that type, but is obviously very speculative given his injury history.

I'd have no issue taking Callow if it means another genuine FF type developing on the list, worst case scenario you end up trading them for good draft capital in the future if you end up with too many. Better than ending up with too few.

Our first in the ND should be a midfielder though, we need another crack at a genuinely elite midfield prospect.

Long-term I'd think with Reid & Brand already showing they're good defenders, and knowing it's generally easier to convert an athletic KPF to a AFL standard KPD which means Eyre might get a gig as a defender if he doesn't make it as a forward, our KPD's are probably OK whilst up front we've got Hooker who needs to be replaced with Eyre & Baldwin the only real KPF's of note. Baldwin if he gets past his knee issues sounds extremely promising, but no harm in planning for it not working out.

 

[andleanback]

Hurley is a very different player to Hooker, Hooker is the strong contested marking type that Wright maybe could be, but Jones isn't likely to be. Hurley can't take a mark overhead uncontested let alone out of a pack.

Baldwin sounds that type, but is obviously very speculative given his injury history.

I'd have no issue taking Callow if it means another genuine FF type developing on the list, worst case scenario you end up trading them for good draft capital in the future if you end up with too many. Better than ending up with too few.

Our first in the ND should be a midfielder though, we need another crack at a genuinely elite midfield prospect.

Long-term I'd think with Reid & Brand already showing they're good defenders, and knowing it's generally easier to convert an athletic KPF to a AFL standard KPD which means Eyre might get a gig as a defender if he doesn't make it as a forward, our KPD's are probably OK whilst up front we've got Hooker who needs to be replaced with Eyre & Baldwin the only real KPF's of note. Baldwin if he gets past his knee issues sounds extremely promising, but no harm in planning for it not working out.

With list sizes smaller and potential for more to come off at the end of the year. It’s not feasible to have more key forwards on your list than midfielders. We have zero depth at all, at the moment we are lucky our main 3 are getting the job done. In reality we need another 4-5 mids on our list. While also needing another good pressure small forward and small defenders.

 

[faible]

With list sizes smaller and potential for more to come off at the end of the year. It’s not feasible to have more key forwards on your list than midfielders. We have zero depth at all, at the moment we are lucky our main 3 are getting the job done. In reality we need another 4-5 mids on our list. While also needing another good pressure small forward and small defenders.

I'd think we'll see Clarke go at the end of the year, Zaharakis probably finishes if he's OOC, one of Gleeson or Cutler might stay, but wouldn't be surprised if both were cut if we pursue a FA, plus BZT might be lucky to get offered a 1 year deal, Mosquito who knows, along with Cahill and Johnston.

I imagine 4 - 5 spots at the ND might be available, plus 1 - 2 at the MSD coming up. Plenty of space to add young mids

 

[andleanback]

I'd think we'll see Clarke go at the end of the year, Zaharakis probably finishes if he's OOC, one of Gleeson or Cutler might stay, but wouldn't be surprised if both were cut if we pursue a FA, plus BZT might be lucky to get offered a 1 year deal, Mosquito who knows, along with Cahill and Johnston.

I imagine 4 - 5 spots at the ND might be available, plus 1 - 2 at the MSD coming up. Plenty of space to add young mids

Yeah we are 4-5 mids short now though. Zaka, Clarke and Cutler got that means we have almost no cover and probably need 6-7 mids to have good depth - obviously you can’t fix all that in 1 draft. But a bit of foresight now would maybe see us add a young kid we’ve had our eye on in the mid season draft, who plays mid. Draft 2 gun mids with our early picks, look at someone like Hewett as a FA and then maybe look at 1-2 delisted FAs/ cheap trades as cover for the next year.

 

[faible]

Yeah we are 4-5 mids short now though. Zaka, Clarke and Cutler got that means we have almost no cover and probably need 6-7 mids to have good depth - obviously you can’t fix all that in 1 draft. But a bit of foresight now would maybe see us add a young kid we’ve had our eye on in the mid season draft, who plays mid. Draft 2 gun mids with our early picks, look at someone like Hewett as a FA and then maybe look at 1-2 delisted FAs/ cheap trades as cover for the next year.

I don't disagree, just think Callow is a player genuinely worth considering adding to the list given his upside and performance and the Hooker sized hole we don't really have a clear replacement for up forward.

Take Hooker out and suddenly Wright & Jones have to play on the 1st and 2nd KPD instead of 2nd and 3rd.

We don't really have a player analogous to Hooker in terms of contested marking and ability to stand and wrestle; Wright has the physical size but hasn't consistently shown that side to his game.

 

[andleanback]

I don't disagree, just think Callow is a player genuinely worth considering adding to the list given his upside and performance and the Hooker sized hole we don't really have a clear replacement for up forward.

Take Hooker out and suddenly Wright & Jones have to play on the 1st and 2nd KPD instead of 2nd and 3rd.

We don't really have a player analogous to Hooker in terms of contested marking and ability to stand and wrestle; Wright has the physical size but hasn't consistently shown that side to his game.

Take hooker out and what? Callow is playing on 1? If callow played or not the other 2 are still getting the better defenders, callow doesn’t change that.

 

[faible]

Take hooker out and what? Callow is playing on 1? If callow played or not the other 2 are still getting the better defenders, callow doesn’t change that.

Short term no, long term maybe.

The point is that we're looking at a guy like Jones, Eyre, or maybe Baldwin or Reid long-term to play as our main target down there.

Jones is a hard running CHF type, Eyre (if he makes it) would be similar. Who's the FF type that occupies the #1 KPD down there, who can force a McGovern or Moore type to have to play an accountable man-on-man style of play?

McKay at Carlton is the best young KPF in that mould for example.

Baldwin making it would be ideal because he sounds like the guy who'll be able to hold his own and clamp the ball in a contested situation, but adding more options isn't a bad thing given we know traditionally it's much harder to find a reliable KPF target than it is decent midfielders, and we'll have access to a top-10 midfielder at the end of the year.

In reality I think we'll be looking to add Baker from our VFL list given all the scuttlebutt anyway.

 

[Ants]

I don't think we need a true small defender at all.

There are some very good teams that are happy to play athletic mediums on the oppositions small forwards. Who is the true small defender at Geelong?

We don't have any medium defender depth either. Both medium and small, our only VFL depth is Gleeson (who will be delisted) and Hird (who is miles off it). Which is why we really need at least two players across the MSD/ND that play defence and are small or medium.

I'd think we'll see Clarke go at the end of the year, Zaharakis probably finishes if he's OOC, one of Gleeson or Cutler might stay, but wouldn't be surprised if both were cut if we pursue a FA, plus BZT might be lucky to get offered a 1 year deal, Mosquito who knows, along with Cahill and Johnston.

I imagine 4 - 5 spots at the ND might be available, plus 1 - 2 at the MSD coming up. Plenty of space to add young mids

The issue isn't only spaces, it is also opportunity. We've currently got one MSD pick, one ND R1, two ND R3s, and everything else is later or rookie picks. We'll have 3 rookie spots as Clarke & Gleeson are cut, and Snelling has to be promoted to the main list this year. There are very few "good" picks left, and the MSD is one of our best four.

Using the MSD pick on a player type that isn't a need, when we have pretty major other needs, seems a bit silly.

Short term no, long term maybe.

The point is that we're looking at a guy like Jones, Eyre, or maybe Baldwin or Reid long-term to play as our main target down there.

Jones is a hard running CHF type, Eyre (if he makes it) would be similar. Who's the FF type that occupies the #1 KPD down there, who can force a McGovern or Moore type to have to play an accountable man-on-man style of play?

McKay at Carlton is the best young KPF in that mould for example.

Baldwin making it would be ideal because he sounds like the guy who'll be able to hold his own and clamp the ball in a contested situation, but adding more options isn't a bad thing given we know traditionally it's much harder to find a reliable KPF target than it is decent midfielders, and we'll have access to a top-10 midfielder at the end of the year.

In reality I think we'll be looking to add Baker from our VFL list given all the scuttlebutt anyway.

Longer term Baldwin, Eyre, Reid and Brand are all candidates, most with significantly higher credentials than Callow to play the spot. He got overlooked by every club at the ND, RD and SPP, now he's meant to be ahead of Reid, Eyre and Baldwin? Both Baldwin and potentially Brand/Draper could play as the central forward, as could Wright. Wright has shown in recent weeks he isn't being outmarked much, its his mobility that is a slight problem.

 

[Zach Package]

I don't think we need a true small defender at all.

There are some very good teams that are happy to play athletic mediums on the oppositions small forwards. Who is the true small defender at Geelong?

Bews, and he's exceptional.

My issue is not height related, I just think it looks really slow and cumbersome

 

[Scottie65]

I think Riley knight ex crows may be a handy pick up for inside mid position in the msd.. he has a pretty good size to him and played some good footy for the crows ... thoughts?... he’s 25 yo I think ... can’t hurt us by having a crack... pros are his defensive side of the game .. he is Hard at it and a very good tackler... kicks goals , and is a reasonable mark...elite stoppage player . has a good 5-6 years left in him

 

[Harlequin Dream]

If we want Newcombe we need to offer him 4 years:

AFL 2021: Kade Simpson comeback dream over as ex-Carlton Blues star opts out of mid-season draft, while the Hawthorn Hawks could swoop on Sam Mitchell protege Jai Newcombe (theage.com.au)

 

[11kgm]

If we want Newcombe we need to offer him 4 years:

AFL 2021: Kade Simpson comeback dream over as ex-Carlton Blues star opts out of mid-season draft, while the Hawthorn Hawks could swoop on Sam Mitchell protege Jai Newcombe (theage.com.au)

apparently Hawthorn are balls deep in him

 

[Ati Tude]

apparently Hawthorn are balls deep in him

And us re Baker. 4 year commitment for Newcombe. Just shouldn't do that for a VFL player even if your own VFL team.

 

[andleanback]

If we want Newcombe we need to offer him 4 years:

AFL 2021: Kade Simpson comeback dream over as ex-Carlton Blues star opts out of mid-season draft, while the Hawthorn Hawks could swoop on Sam Mitchell protege Jai Newcombe (theage.com.au)

4 years for a midfielder in the msd is ludicrous, big call to make for the hawks.

 

[Ati Tude]

4 years for a midfielder in the msd is ludicrous, big call to make for the hawks.

But they have had so much success with Patton, Scully and O'Meara (JOM at least plays) already...

 

[Old Campaigner]

I can’t see us picking up Callow, just doesn’t fit a need currently. Hurley is also playing forward remember, so even if hooker retires at the end of the year, Hurley may take that role. Hooker, Hurley, Ambrose, Wright, Jones, Eyre, Baldwin even McBride and you add Callow that’s 9 key forwards on a list (even cox could be a gun forward if we needed and stringer plays as a pseudo key forward), we have other pressing needs that should be looked at if we are using a pick.

I agree, we've got enough of them coming through we can afford to wait a few years to see how they shape up. Come 2023 or something we can draft a couple more if Jones, Eyre or Baldwin don't develop as we'd hope.

 

[eth-dog]

Ants Clark apparently didn't nominate.

Suspect Baker is the one who we pick. Wouldn't mind a look at Mitch Podhajski though either, even though his field kicking is below standard. Forward/mid from Coburg.

 

[carnthedons]

4 years for a midfielder in the msd is ludicrous, big call to make for the hawks.

Especially when only North are picking ahead of them. Real ****in head scratcher

 

[TheGrizz]

Ants Clark apparently didn't nominate.

Suspect Baker is the one who we pick. Wouldn't mind a look at Mitch Podhajski though either, even though his field kicking is below standard. Forward/mid from Coburg.

As in Gregory Clark? Disappointing.

 

[eth-dog]

As in Gregory Clark? Disappointing.

Yep. I'm unsure if he nominated for the national draft though.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Especially when only North are picking ahead of them. Real fu**in head scratcher

If he's good and ready to play senior football Norf probably need him more than they need that Edwards bloke so maybe it's an attempt to deter them.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Especially when only North are picking ahead of them. Real fu**in head scratcher

If he's good and ready to play senior football Norf probably need him more than they need that Edwards bloke so maybe it's an attempt to deter them.

They're taking (at least) two picks. Hawthorn guarantee Newcombe they'll take him in exchange for putting a price on his head that guarantees he'll be there at a late pick.

 

[eth-dog]

Especially when only North are picking ahead of them. Real fu**in head scratcher

It's probably a bid for him to last to a second pick