Recruiting Draft Watch 2021

[eDPS]

eDPS's 2021 Draft Rankings

Lore's 2021 Provisional Draft Order
Any issues with it please tag Lore in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-provisional-draft-order.1251001/

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Wonder what the height worriers thought of Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

Age

24

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

after his first three games? McCluggage is only two cms taller and Hobbs has got time to catch him. Bulldogs final showed we need more inside ball winners. Great pick

 

[Keystone agony]

Not to rag on Knightmare because I value the work he does but he is a classic for putting 'lack of positional versatility' in the weaknesses column when it just such a non issue. I remember he did it with Daniher and Max King off the top of my head and then Gibcus last night.

No one is not drafting Gibcus because he cannot play forward, just like no one is not drafting Hobbs because he cannot play on the back flank

Knightmare is one of the biggest nuffs going

 

[Howard Moon]

Recruiters seems unlikely. I don't remember this happening on the forum with Cox, Perkins, Reid last year though. Prior to that there was a few McCluggage fans that weren't big fans of McGrath iirc, but that was more to do with them having married themselves to the idea of McCluggage pre-draft rather than anything actually wrong with McGrath.

Early perkins analysis.

Perkins wears a stupid hat, questionable kick - con
Highly attractive - pro

 

[Howard Moon]

Not to rag on Knightmare because I value the work he does but he is a classic for putting 'lack of positional versatility' in the weaknesses column when it just such a non issue. I remember he did it with Daniher and Max King off the top of my head and then Gibcus last night.

No one is not drafting Gibcus because he cannot play forward, just like no one is not drafting Hobbs because he cannot play on the back flank

He will either put lack of positional versatility, or no defined role at AFL level, almost feels like a box tick when hunting for faults

 

[Keystone agony]

Wonder what the height worriers thought of Matt Rowell after his first three games? McCluggage is only two cms taller and Hobbs has got time to catch him. Bulldogs final showed we need more inside ball winners. Great pick

I understand the concern, especially around the similarity to the rest of our group regarding height. Although his whole game is only similar to that of Caldwell really.

I didnt know who be was watching Vic games and quickly went this guy is doing well in a thumping loss.

I just watched his highlights and his decision making under pressure and skill execution is elite. He also has quite a penetrating kick. Ontop of the known hard nosed aggressive, tackling, CP and clearance winning bull he is

 

[eDPS]

This is a good question, and one I have t seen answered.

eDPS , can Hobbs play forward or back? Obviously he is a midfielder but don’t see him starting in there in year 1


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He has played forward and back before, he could play a wide range of roles early on

 

[Keystone agony]

Your in charge of Hawks and youve told them your picking Goater before Sonsie. Offer:

Ess: F1 + F2 + pick 44
For
Hawks: Pick 23, F2 + F3 (Tied Freo)

Yay or Nay

 

[TheFrenchCut]

Think the annoyingly predictable lament post pick is people focussing on what he can't do, or what he isn't... He's got no ceiling for improvement, hes not tall, he's not dynamic.

Hang about, any chance of focussing on what he can do? Run all day, tackle like a train, have the ball on a string, elite stoppage craft, poise, leadership, AFL ready body, hyper competitive... It's a far more exhaustive list yet the focus comes on the former. Weird.

This is it. Made me think of this from 2016 on the Bulldogs' recruiting approach.

Bulldogs recruiter Simon Dalrymple was prepared to overlook warts if there was beauty beneath. He took a view that one deficient skill or attribute could be offset by elite skills in other areas – but players had to be elite at something.

"We took a philosophy of looking at what the player could do rather than what they couldn't," Dalrymple said.

Western Bulldogs draft strategy a recipe for success

Trade period, free agency, the draft. Over the next month all AFL clubs will shape the lists they hope will carry them to success. How do you do it?

www.theage.com.au

 

[IHurley]

We had a mid-teens pick, and ended up with the bloke rated by many draft watchers as the best pure inside bull/extractor of the draft class. And still this place is full of melts. You'd think 4-5 inches height difference was career-ending paraplegia, the way some are carrying on.

Technically, pick 13 is the *lowest* teen number.

 

[andleanback]

Pick your best 22 assuming everyones fit round 1

no point really, because it safe to say everyone won’t be fit. When was the last time we had zero injuries

 

[Keystone agony]

no point really, because it safe to say everyone won’t be fit. When was the last time we had zero injuries

Well what would it be if we got back on the magic juice and say had no injuries

 

[andleanback]

Well what would it be if we got back on the magic juice and say had no injuries

Didn’t the magic juice cause us to have a soft tissue pandemic

 

[Keystone agony]

Didn’t the magic juice cause us to have a soft tissue pandemic

I hope not, club would want to have good liability

Anyway get on with it

Lets say our only injury is Hurley (So we still arent injury free but pretty good)

 

[Tazdog]

any talk of us moving up in the draft? are we interested in any prospects?

 

[ant555]

I want to know two things with Hobbs

(1) what sets him apart from Parish, Shiel, Caldwell (Merrett and McGrath can be inside &/or outside mids)

And

(2) Hobbs’ attack on the contest strong enough to perform a role for us? Blocking, tackling etc for our prime movers?


This is why I questioned the selection initially


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He is a contested ball winner first and foremost. He just loves the contest. What sets him apart will be the answer to question two. He will block, tackle , harass and take his turn around the stoppages. He is the inside midfielder we do lack even if he is 4cm or 5cm shorter than what most where looking for. He is actually a natural inside midfielder. He is actually a short bull who in a lot of ways is like Ben Cunnington.
The only reason I preferred the taller players was I was looking more for the marking and some outside game first and an inside competitor later.
He is a good get. We will just have to hope Cox and Perkins can provide a bit of marking power through the middle while the small brigade do the inside work.

 

[half time raffle]

How high do we need to get to select either Judson Clarke or Arlo Draper?

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[ant555]

Not to rag on Knightmare because I value the work he does but he is a classic for putting 'lack of positional versatility' in the weaknesses column when it just such a non issue. I remember he did it with Daniher and Max King off the top of my head and then Gibcus last night.

No one is not drafting Gibcus because he cannot play forward, just like no one is not drafting Hobbs because he cannot play on the back flank

Another of his favorites is lack of athleticism when discussing inside midfielders. Not sure I am ever too worried if my inside man is only average pace and not athletic.

 

[Keystone agony]

How high do we need to get to select either Judson Clarke or Arlo Draper?

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Who knows

All i know is 1 of

M.Johnson
Sonsie
Goater
Howes
S.Butler
M.Knevitt
A.Draper
C.Macdonald (Probs not after Hobbs)
J.Clarke
B.Hough
Z.Taylor

Will be available at 32

 

[Howard Moon]

Another of his favorites is lack of athleticism when discussing inside midfielders. Not sure I am ever too worried if my inside man is only average pace and not athletic.

I'd love to see a retrospective Cunnington blurb..

Weaknesses - lack of outside game, lack of athleticism, lack of pace, lack of X factor, no versatility, no depth on kicks...it's a wonder he got out of the thirds!

 

[Bombermania]

We had a mid-teens pick, and ended up with the bloke rated by many draft watchers as the best pure inside bull/extractor of the draft class. And still this place is full of melts. You'd think 4-5 inches height difference was career-ending paraplegia, the way some are carrying on.

The chances are that when Essendon finally wins another flag, someone will be busy complaining about the umpires or how someone missed an easy shot at goal or didn't stick a tackle.

 

[Keystone agony]

I'd love to see a retrospective Cunnington blurb..

Weaknesses - lack of outside game, lack of athleticism, lack of pace, lack of X factor, no versatility, no depth on kicks...it's a wonder he got out of the thirds!

And Hobbs pace on field actually looks ok as does Wards. Theyre never gonna run 40m with the pill but wont need to

 

[Bombermania]

Looking at the highlight footage, Hobbs doesn't look too small and while highlight packages can be misleading he looks like a solid pick up.

 

[andleanback]

I hope not, club would want to have good liability

Anyway get on with it

Lets say our only injury is Hurley (So we still arent injury free but pretty good)

Fb hind stewart kelly
Hb Redman laverde ridley
C Shiel Merrett Durham
Hf Snelling Jones Stringer
Ff Tippa Wright Langford
R Draper Parish Mcgrath
Ic Cox (utility) Heppell (Back) Caldwell (mid) perkins (fwd-mid)
- Smith

 

[JayJ20]

I want to know two things with Hobbs

(1) what sets him apart from Parish, Shiel, Caldwell (Merrett and McGrath can be inside &/or outside mids)

And

(2) Hobbs’ attack on the contest strong enough to perform a role for us? Blocking, tackling etc for our prime movers?


This is why I questioned the selection initially


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What sets Hobbs apart from the mids you listed is two way running, his defensive work, strength and appetite to attack contests with everything he has. Sure he is a prolific ball winner, but we've long struggled with the defensive side of things.

I know this isn't a very accurate comparison, but most of us wanted Dunkley. Dunkley may be tall, but he has similar limitations to Hobbs. He is on the slower side, not a good kick and isn't as effective outside of the midfield.

What I really liked about Dunkley was his ability to win the ball, his defensive work like blocking for team mates and his tackling, which is why I believed he was the perfect fit. When I compare Hobbs to Dunkley in those areas, I'd say Hobbs is even better than Dunkley because of his aggression and willingness to win the ball.
That's why I'm very happy with Hobbs. Obviously Dunkley has him covered outside of the midfield, but for the purposes of list needs, I think Hobbs is decent enough as a forward to make it an excellent selection.

You'll warm up to him when you see him play.

 

[Keystone agony]

Fb hind stewart kelly
Hb Redman laverde ridley
C Shiel Merrett Durham
Hf Snelling Jones Stringer
Ff Tippa Wright Langford
R Draper Parish Mcgrath
Ic Cox (utility) Heppell (Back) Caldwell (mid) perkins (fwd-mid)
- Smith

Hard to fit Dev in isnt it. Not necessarily locked best 22

Not much of a chance with Baldwin or Francis now if Langford goes forward is there

And obviously no Hobbs which i can understand, he will get games through injury around that 10-15 mark id say