DT 2011 Forwards Thread

[borrat]

I must give you credit for you optimistic outlook but that is a massive call

Didak priced around 100, can only see him scoring the same and being fairly consistant. I actually think he could even improve just no room for him in my team, although strongly considering him now as he could provide some uniqueness. Has produced some big scores past few years. Callinan (80k rookie) and Smith (didnt look anything special in NAB). I might have allowed for Krakouer and Mzungu or maybe even Richardson who look much better but even than that is very optimistic.

I need to look at his preseason and see how much that may have affected his fitness and his consistency over the past 2 years especially last year as he should play the same role. Does he stil produce low scores and become a much cheaper option.

i.m.o callinan will be a better version of pods

lets look at the facts for callinan shall we

is 27,recruited for a specific purpose,can also play midfield so can get the clearances (more of a sc thing but good none the less) and has pretty much 100% j/s so thats no concern and could average around the 60-70 mark for dt maybe 80ish for sc depending on how much midfield time he gets

and on didak

usually starts season slow,pec injury not that bad but still not ideal and who knows what if anything krak will do to his scoring



now for smith

is 22,recruited for a specific purpose,has good efficiency(once again more of a sc thing) and you dont waste your first pick on a 22 without doing your homework. sure he might not have done much the other week but its the real season where the points count and has very good j/s i.m.o due to being the oldest ever 1st round pick

 

[Lakey91]

Pods was in a top 4 team getting the ball delivered on a platter week in week out. Different proposition in adelaide IMO.

 

[samwise]

Pods was in a top 4 team getting the ball delivered on a platter week in week out. Different proposition in adelaide IMO.

Exactly. Podsiadly got sooo many cheap +12s when Geelong were just dominating - not having him made me oh so aware of this Big games he struggled more and a lot of it was due to having less delivery and worse quality delivery.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Callinan is struggling to get into many if any crows best 21 sides let alone best 20. Will play small forward not midfield, sure will have stints in the guts but was drafted to play that small forward role. Do you homework would be a good idea.

Have a look at hawthors list before cementing I.Smith into a best 20 spot. They have a depthy list with very good players going down to 26-28. Struggle to break into the team, IMO Bruce is struggling for a best 18 just to show you how good there side is.

Id happily bet that Callinan doesnt score as many overall points as Pods??

 

[Jolldo87]

i.m.o callinan will be a better version of pods

lets look at the facts for callinan shall we

is 27,recruited for a specific purpose,can also play midfield so can get the clearances (more of a sc thing but good none the less) and has pretty much 100% j/s so thats no concern and could average around the 60-70 mark for dt maybe 80ish for sc depending on how much midfield time he gets

and on didak

usually starts season slow,pec injury not that bad but still not ideal and who knows what if anything krak will do to his scoring



now for smith

is 22,recruited for a specific purpose,has good efficiency(once again more of a sc thing) and you dont waste your first pick on a 22 without doing your homework. sure he might not have done much the other week but its the real season where the points count and has very good j/s i.m.o due to being the oldest ever 1st round pick

Teams don't pick players on age. Just because Callinan is 27 doesn't mean he's going to get a game. They're going to pick their best 22 players and if Callinan isn't good enough he won't play. Simple as that. Same thing goes for Smith.

 

[BACCS]

Teams don't pick players on age. Just because Callinan is 27 doesn't mean he's going to get a game. They're going to pick their best 22 players and if Callinan isn't good enough he won't play. Simple as that. Same thing goes for Smith.

I agree with what you are saying, but I reckon Callinan will be there round 1.

 

[Ess_don]

Anyone else a bit worried about Chappy's "calf strain"? Sure picking up Chappy from the start is always high risk/high reward, but not liking this latest little setback.. and been scouring media/GC boards and theres not too much word about it?

Now the positive approach is to see this as a very minor thing which GC are being overly cautious about by not risking him in NAB matches, or they are keeping things quiet and do not want to worry the fans, but may be ongoing or even flare up/has to be managed throughout the season??

Thinking of looking at downgrading Chaps to Higgins/ROK and using the extra $$ to upgrade a rookie into a premium.
This raises another question, which one? Ignoring the price diff, both play similar roles and can run through the middle, just which team's midfield needs them more in there? Personally I believe ROK will get more chances to play higher up the ground than Higgins, who has a tougher midfield and the addition of Sherman who will play on a wing as that goal kicking midfielder (ie: very similar to Higgins)
Also either can just as likely be confined to a fwd pocket relying on bags of goals to score well.

Both underpriced and having terrific PS so far (hear Higgins also has the advantage of having a longer PS than his teammates)
There's also the age factor, with ROK in his 30s (doesnt look to be slowing down tho) while Higgins still very young and should be approaching his prime soon..

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I got 401k to spend and my forward line is

Sylvia, Rioli, McGlynn, Zaharakis, Krakouer and Mzungu with Matera, Calinan, and some 80k scrub, with 1 spot left to go

I been thinking about getting Nick Riewoldt, but I already got Montagna and Goddard in my team and would probably be screwed when Saints get the bye, anyone got any good suggestions? I don't check back on threads so message my profile if you have any good ideas, cheers

 

[Scootyb]

get Riewoldt, Goddard and Montagna are all on different lines i presume?

 

[PepperShaker]

Anyone else a bit worried about Chappy's "calf strain"?

I think the danger is in not picking him. I completely understand his injury history (last time he played a full season was 2006), but let's have a look at last year- plenty of people were worried about picking him up (including me) and he goes on to play 21 games at 113.7 (well above the next closest forward) with only 3 scores under 100 and a lowest score of 88. If you don't pick Chappy and he continues to fire at the same/similar level to last year you'll kick yourself.

The other plus about picking Chappy up is that if he does go down with an injury you will be able to pick anyone up with the cash you have from trading him out. You can't say the same about ROK or Higgins. Say you pick either of the two, they go down and you look to trade them out. You won't have enough cash to pick up another premium (Higgins is $341K and ROK $358.5K) unless you have money in the bank (not a good idea, especially early on, but that's a whole other kettle of fish).

Another factor to consider is that most people will probably pick him up, so most people will be in the same situation. I know there is an argument for picking a couple of unique players to get yourself ahead (and as a differential) but if you do so at the expense of picking someone like Chappy (who will likely continue as the highest scoring forward) then you're miles behind the eight ball.

The same logic applies to selections like Adcock, Knights, Otten and Petrie. All in all, most people will pick these players (regardless of their past injury history) because their potential to score is enormous despite the risk. It seems to be the previously injured players (think Waters, Malceski and to a lesser extent, Kennelly, from last year) that, if they remain injury free, are the players that can make your season. If they do go down, it's easier to pick up a rookie (hopefully on the bubble) and benefit from the situation in that way. The same can't be said about picking a rookie who then goes down.

 

[Piikeyyy]

I can see Callinan being a regular sub

 

[dewey13]

Gamble v Krakour?

Not sold on either, but there's a vibe saying i'll need one come season proper

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I think the danger is in not picking him. I completely understand his injury history (last time he played a full season was 2006), but let's have a look at last year- plenty of people were worried about picking him up (including me) and he goes on to play 21 games at 113.7 (well above the next closest forward) with only 3 scores under 100 and a lowest score of 88. If you don't pick Chappy and he continues to fire at the same/similar level to last year you'll kick yourself.

The only difference is he is priced at 113.7 this year and not 102? iirc. How high can he go?? If he starts like last year youll be kicking yourself, if not youll be kicking yourself if you picked him. A calf strain could lead to a slow start and if he avgs 105 over his first 8 than hell fall in price, his bye at round 6 is also a problem. Hes in my side ATM, but im certainly second guessing myself about him more than any other player in my side. Can he go to 117/118 or is his injury problems and high price to risky this year.

He will also get increased attention next year, that goes without saying.

The other plus about picking Chappy up is that if he does go down with an injury you will be able to pick anyone up with the cash you have from trading him out. You can't say the same about ROK or Higgins. Say you pick either of the two, they go down and you look to trade them out. You won't have enough cash to pick up another premium (Higgins is $341K and ROK $358.5K) unless you have money in the bank (not a good idea, especially early on, but that's a whole other kettle of fish).

Great point, but it would be expected that you have money in your bank by the time he falls down with injury.

Another factor to consider is that most people will probably pick him up, so most people will be in the same situation. I know there is an argument for picking a couple of unique players to get yourself ahead (and as a differential) but if you do so at the expense of picking someone like Chappy (who will likely continue as the highest scoring forward) then you're miles behind the eight ball.

Could be unique not to pick him, your saying. May be the leg up that im looking for.

The same logic applies to selections like Adcock, Knights, Otten and Petrie. All in all, most people will pick these players (regardless of their past injury history) because their potential to score is enormous despite the risk. It seems to be the previously injured players (think Waters, Malceski and to a lesser extent, Kennelly, from last year) that, if they remain injury free, are the players that can make your season. If they do go down, it's easier to pick up a rookie (hopefully on the bubble) and benefit from the situation in that way. The same can't be said about picking a rookie who then goes down.

Currently looking at Chapman vs Didak

How bad is his strain?? havnt read or heard of it yet

 

[PepperShaker]

Currently looking at Chapman vs Didak

How bad is his strain?? havnt read or heard of it yet

Can't be that bad. At least not as bad as Didak's pectoral tear! I'd still be banking Chappy over Didak. Didak is the perfect upgrade target.

 

[PepperShaker]

FYI- info on Chappy's calf strain came out of the following article:

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/geelongnews/newsarticle/tabid/3933/newsid/108233/default.aspx

"James Podsiadly has been ruled out due to a broken hand, while Cameron Ling is struggling to overcome a hamstring problem and Paul Chapman is battling a calf strain."

 

[Lakey91]

I got 401k to spend and my forward line is

Sylvia, Rioli, McGlynn, Zaharakis, Krakouer and Mzungu with Matera, Calinan, and some 80k scrub, with 1 spot left to go

I been thinking about getting Nick Riewoldt, but I already got Montagna and Goddard in my team and would probably be screwed when Saints get the bye, anyone got any good suggestions? I don't check back on threads so message my profile if you have any good ideas, cheers

Thats where the money needsto go. Every bench spot is vital to cash generation to facilitate upgrades later. Every bench spot (except perhaps 4th ruck in some cases) should be there to make cash and provide cover.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

I can see Callinan being a regular sub

At 172cm he's more likely to be a mini-sub.

 

[borrat]

Callinan is struggling to get into many if any crows best 21 sides let alone best 20. Will play small forward not midfield, sure will have stints in the guts but was drafted to play that small forward role. Do you homework would be a good idea.

Have a look at hawthors list before cementing I.Smith into a best 20 spot. They have a depthy list with very good players going down to 26-28. Struggle to break into the team, IMO Bruce is struggling for a best 18 just to show you how good there side is.

Id happily bet that Callinan doesnt score as many overall points as Pods??

does it really matter what supporters think their best 22 is? they are not the ones picking the team their match comitee do it

you defitnetly read to much into it

they know alot more than us non supporters i will give them that thats all

on smith sure hawthorn have a very good list and will more than likely finish top 4 injurys permitting but smith has something they need quick outside running and as i said you dont waste your 1st pick for the sake of it

 

[Benatration]

How's Tom Lynch from the Saints looking for games?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

they know alot more than us non supporters i will give them that thats all

on smith sure hawthorn have a very good list and will more than likely finish top 4 injurys permitting but smith has something they need quick outside running and as i said you dont waste your 1st pick for the sake of it

As you said they usually know more about there own side and players than any other fan.

I.Smith was picked with the mindest of an 18 year old being picked. That is he has 10 years of AFL football ahead of him, if he makes it. Hawthorn wont pick a player in there best 21 if they arnt best 21 know matter if they are the number 1 draft pick.

I do like your point that he offers something the hawks dont have a lot of. Having said this Burgoyne, Rioli, Bateman, Young running through the middle with Buddy (stints) should give them enough drive.

If he aint best 20 than he aint best 20, they wont select him for the sake of pleasing DTers.

 

[beez]

Mitch Duncan is definitely now in the mix for me, it'll be either Duncan or Knights for 5th fwd spot.

 

[borrat]

As you said they usually know more about there own side and players than any other fan.

I.Smith was picked with the mindest of an 18 year old being picked. That is he has 10 years of AFL football ahead of him, if he makes it. Hawthorn wont pick a player in there best 21 if they arnt best 21 know matter if they are the number 1 draft pick.

I do like your point that he offers something the hawks dont have a lot of. Having said this Burgoyne, Rioli, Bateman, Young running through the middle with Buddy (stints) should give them enough drive.

If he aint best 20 than he aint best 20, they wont select him for the sake of pleasing DTers.

in regards to whether or not a supporter picks someone in their best 22 is still irrelevent i.m.o they could be biased against that player that they leave out

for example i think buchanan is an absolute dud whether the brisbane match comitee agrees doesnt matter

i never suggested that hawthorn would pick smith purely because he was their first pick i suggested that the fact he is 22 and has something they lack makes his j/s i.m.o very good

and in regards to the players you mentioned rioli is more of a small forward with occasional bursts through the midfield,bateman is getting on and young is hardly durable

and the fact that smith is pretty much a winger also makes his j/s better

 

[borrat]

gamble will be very popular now i.m.o

was all over the ground getting cheap marks and kicks last night admitedly not a ton of it but still its better than him being a stay at home forward

 

[squeezer]

Is Petrie still worthwhile? Considering he can still cover the rucks four times through the year. As long as you have cover for rounds one & three.

 

[Benatration]

gamble will be very popular now i.m.o

was all over the ground getting cheap marks and kicks last night admitedly not a ton of it but still its better than him being a stay at home forward

He barley touched it 2nd half. Besides teams expirment all the time in the NAB. Dont ge too exicted just yet. Gamble will have to pump out some ripper scores for me to get him