Fantasy Dynasty League 2008 - Discussion

[exe ex machina]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Cooley is an excellent TE. Like Miller, he's often asked to block a lot, which is what a traditional TE is supposed to do. Basically Cooley is a top TE. I was thinking of trading for woodson early in BFFFL to take Cooley from him. But i only had 3 keeper spots and 50 million players i wanted to keep from my own team. So i ended up having to let Cooley go from the BFFFL.

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Dont want to start any big argument or anything, but just having a think about the LB max of 5. Given it is like WR and RB in that it has two spots, i would have thought 8 would be a more suitable maximum. DB is made up of two positions, as is DL, so max of 5 on DE, DT, CB and S is right. There are around 80 or so starting linebackers in the league, so there will be a fair few who are not used and some speculative guys not taken. I realise this is good as it leaves something in FA, but just think 8 would be a much more appropriate maximum for LB.

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Cmon JD, was hoping he'd come online like last night, almost ready to call it a day.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: BFDL MKII Discussion Thread

Let's just focus on this. As it's the crux of all the arguing and anger.{SNIP}

Now, this i still have a major problem with.

People not reading the rules is their problem. I fail to see why other people should be punished for their lack of ground work. If you didnt work out that you could start quarterbacks? Too damn bad. Especially given that the only league that this could reasonably affect was ML I, and they were supposed to be the top shelf league. (im still offended that i was overlooked). MKII and MKIII have no excuses, considering we could watch the first draft unfold.

Even worse is, these people have enjoyed drafting high ranking RBs and WRs instead, and now not only want to keep these players, but have the rules changed to make them more useful. Its not as if they are asking for a draft reset, they're eliminating their competition completely by keeping them with an ineffective team.

As far as 'taking one for the team'. Thats a joke. Im sure the league would be more enjoyable for everyone else if i didnt win as well. Want to change to rules to prevent me winning? Theres no reason for someone who drafted well to have to 'take one for the team'. Its a competitive league, not a camp fire and Coombayah session. How about this... the people who were too lazy to properly read the rules take one for the team, by sticking with the agreed upon rules we had when we started.

 

[dspeed]

Re: Dynasty #3 - DISCUSSION

gg, title of this thread is wrong, cheers

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Dont want to start any big argument or anything, but just having a think about the LB max of 5. Given it is like WR and RB in that it has two spots, i would have thought 8 would be a more suitable maximum. DB is made up of two positions, as is DL, so max of 5 on DE, DT, CB and S is right. There are around 80 or so starting linebackers in the league, so there will be a fair few who are not used and some speculative guys not taken. I realise this is good as it leaves something in FA, but just think 8 would be a much more appropriate maximum for LB.

Was constrained by the roster size. ESPN allows only 40 max. Had to factor in what Mordikai said at the time of finalizing set up, where he said bench had to be 1:1 minimum but should be more.

However, next season this may be worth adjusting to allow 8 max LBs still within that 40 max roster.

But like you said, IDP helps have more FA pool which is kinda needed thru the season as injuries and what not occur.
Would just be hording at LB because if one DID take 8 LBs it would mean about 4 or more offensive players were unable to be drafted. And it's kinda pointless because offensive players are always gonna be treated a little more needful.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: BFDL MKII Discussion Thread

The thing is, IF everyone knew the rule they would've all said "if i knew i wouldve drafted 4 QBs in the first four rounds".{SNIP}

Maybe, maybe not. Im sure some of the people who dont like the strategy wouldnt have employed it. Still, thats completely irrelevant. What you're saying is people want to change the rules because they dont like the way the draft turned out, entirely because they were too stupid to actually read the specs. Whats next? 'Oh mr. GG., i didnt realize it was a dynasty league, can we stop Jem from drafting all the young talent? Make a rule limiting how many rookies you can use... that'll be fair!'

As far as the ethical debate goes... dont use a example aimed at trivializing it, and comparing it to world peace. Use the same logic, is slavery acceptable, because the rest can live well? Theres a good reason noone with any credibility accepts Utilitarianism.

Im sorry that this entire thing is hard on you, and i do apologize if ive made it seem as if i was personally blaming you. Its just, i too feel strongly about this, its something ive invested alot of time in, and i dont feel as if what has happened was acceptable.

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Was constrained by the roster size. ESPN allows only 40 max. Had to factor in what Mordikai said at the time of finalizing set up, where he said bench had to be 1:1 minimum but should be more.

However, next season this may be worth adjusting to allow 8 max LBs still within that 40 max roster.

But like you said, IDP helps have more FA pool which is kinda needed thru the season as injuries and what not occur.

changing the max to 8 wouldnt effect the 40, just means people have to re adjust how they play with their roster, currently i might plan to go 5 DL, 5 LB and 6 DB, if it were increased to 8 i might decide to go 4 DL, 7 LB, 5 DB or or whatever the case may be, just think given there are 2 must play LB spots, just like WR and RB, that the same max should be afforded to it, there are only 32 starting RBs yet we are allowing 8 spots, there are between 80 and 90 starting LBs yet we are allowing only 5, seems to be a bit of an anomoly

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

at the moment i am unlikely to be able to take a gamble on a guy like Antwaan Barnes or Tarvares Gooden from the Ravens as they are unlikely to give me much this year, i rate them highly but given the max of 5 i really cant afford to make those speculative type picks, i would push for a change now, it doesnt effect anyone negatively, it isnt starting positions, just depth

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: BFDL MKII Discussion Thread

Your 'problem' Southern, and you know it, is that you dont know when to ease up, when to not push something further, when to move on. Etc. I mean that in the sense that there's no use dragging on and on the debate/argument. It's not gonna go anywhere. The change made is not being reverted back again this year. Imagine if I did that. It would only be worse arguing and people validly deciding to quit...."geezus make up your mind already".

You have every right to feel upset. As did JD, Dspeed, etc etc. Everyone did. Im saying everyone is justified to be upset, and to express it. But eventually it has to stop being expressed. Time to knuckle down, and move over the bridge. Are you still gonna be complaining about this next week? Next month? Next year? You'll eventually tire yourself out complaining about it, and move on. So im just asking you to kinda speed that up because normally you'd probably go on about something in anger/complaint a lot longer, days and weeks of it, before you stopped.

Imo your draft so far is awesome. You're not gonna be disadvantaged by the loss of that 1 OP spot. You're over-exaggerating how it's ruined your draft, imo. Mountain out of a molehill in context of the 13 players you've already drafted and the 27 you still have left to draft.

 

[dspeed]

Re: Dynasty #2 - DISCUSSION

and battle of the essays continues...

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: Dynasty #2 - DISCUSSION

That's another reason why. Gotta just stop arguing and get back to drafting and chatting about the draft, having FUN. The bickering has to stop. Seriously.

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Leave it till next year? It's a valid request, but isnt a priority thing right now. The QB thing was a major issue needing resolution this year. Again, tho, throw it open if you want for discussion. But right now would not be a good time to make any more changes. It's not PRESSING.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: BFDL MKII Discussion Thread

Your 'problem' Southern...

No, my problem is im not willing to let people bend me over, and rape me with no lubricant, and smile at them for it.

The end result is, you know it was wrong, and you dont care.

Rather than stand up to the people who did the wrong thing and didnt read the rules, you've decided it would be easier to let the mob rule, and punish the honest people who did the right thing, and did their research.

Would it be easier if i was silenced? Im sure it would. Does it change anything? Not at all.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: Dynasty #2 - DISCUSSION

and battle of the essays continues...

Sorry, i must have missed my dose of the 'get over it' pixie dust.

Ahh there, that changes everything.

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Leave it till next year? It's a valid request, but isnt a priority thing right now. The QB thing was a major issue needing resolution this year. Again, tho, throw it open if you want for discussion. But right now would not be a good time to make any more changes. It's not PRESSING.

why not now? sure it isnt pressing, but it isnt really contentious at all, why not try to make the league as good as possible now, see no problem in putting it to everyone else and seeing what they think, redragger i believe is the only one currently up to 5 LBs, so its not like many people will be able to say they would have already taken a 6th LB earlier

do you agree that given the 2 spots, and number of starting LBs in the NFL that 8 would be more appropriate given it should be on par with RB and WR? RB and WR are really no more or less important than LB, i think it is a reasonable request. You can have 10 DL or 10 DB if you want but only 5 LB, i think it should be 8, do it ASAP i reckon

You kept saying in the other debate why wait, i say why wait here?

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Cmon JD, was hoping he'd come online like last night, almost ready to call it a day.

Give me 5 mins.

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Give me 5 mins.

cheers mate, great timing, was able to head off

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: BFDL MKII Discussion Thread

No, my problem is im not willing to let people bend me over, and rape me with no lubricant, and smile at them for it.

The end result is, you know it was wrong, and you dont care.

Rather than stand up to the people who did the wrong thing and didnt read the rules, you've decided it would be easier to let the mob rule, and punish the honest people who did the right thing, and did their research.

Would it be easier if i was silenced? Im sure it would. Does it change anything? Not at all.

Over-exaggeration and incorrect (the bending over etc). And, I do care, too much. Both for JD and for the ones who justifiably complained they werent explained the rules properly. It's called finding an equatable solution to two sides threatening non-participation unless it's resolved.

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Did someone say Miller . . . TE?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Re: BFDL MKII Discussion Thread

Over-exaggeration and incorrect (the bending over etc). And, I do care, too much. Both for JD and for the ones who justifiably complained they werent explained the rules properly. It's called finding an equatable solution to two sides threatening non-participation unless it's resolved.

I dont see a justifiable complaint. The rules were there pretty plainly. (and not incorrect, i almost certainly wasnt the Daddy in that relationship).

Still, ill cease posting on it in this thread for now... ive got a bit to think about in terms of the right thing to do.

BTW, as a point of clarification...

Why was only league one consulted, and properly enfranchised with the right to vote? Will this be the case on any future issues?

 

[exe ex machina]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Dspeed, as I said, throw it open for discussion. Not just here but in MK II and III. Seeing as they are affected by whatever changes we make. Also it might take ST's mind off the QB, thinking it's all about rorting him. It may even tip him over the edge. But discuss it if you want. I dont see a problem with having 8 max. And if it's to be done it ought to be done now before someone says "I wouldve taken a 6th LB instead of a 5th TE if I knew I could".

 

[dspeed]

Re: Dynasty #1 - DISCUSSION

LB Curtis Lofton Atl

Love this pick, as i should given i made it, but this guy could be a stud. Falcons obviously tipped to struggle a bit, so means lots of tackles for the Falcons LBs, he should see a lot of action. Would not surprise me one bit if he was this years Vilma/Ryans/Willis

 

[dspeed]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Dspeed, as I said, throw it open for discussion. Not just here but in MK II and III. Seeing as they are affected by whatever changes we make. Also it might take ST's mind off the QB, thinking it's all about rorting him. It may even tip him over the edge. But discuss it if you want. I dont see a problem with having 8 max. And if it's to be done it ought to be done now before someone says "I wouldve taken a 6th LB instead of a 5th TE if I knew I could".

So you'd be a yes?

 

[JeffDunne]

Re: BFDL 1 Discussion Thread

Dspeed, as I said, throw it open for discussion. Not just here but in MK II and III. Seeing as they are affected by whatever changes we make. Also it might take ST's mind off the QB, thinking it's all about rorting him. It may even tip him over the edge. But discuss it if you want. I dont see a problem with having 8 max. And if it's to be done it ought to be done now before someone says "I wouldve taken a 6th LB instead of a 5th TE if I knew I could".

Personally I reckon the list sizes are big enough.

If we make the lists any bigger there won't be much waiver activity happening through the season.

TBH I reckon the lists are too big already.