Early Trade Week Thread

[AG]

Normally agree a fair bit with you bas5 but not at all on this. Trading Rohan without blinking for someone like Davis/Walker is nuts imo. We haven't even had a chance to write Rohan off on ability.

Wells and Goddard are two who's career paths Rohan could follow (high draft pick, similar style (sort of), high draft pick with expectations etc. Need to give Rohan a chance to get consistent game time into him rather than trade him for a player who is so far from a certainty of becoming a consistently good footballer.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

If the Swans trade Gary Rohan or even thinks about it for one bleating second, I'll go on a shooting rampage. He is untouchable.

 

[BarneyBent]

Normally agree a fair bit with you bas5 but not at all on this. Trading Rohan without blinking for someone like Davis/Walker is nuts imo. We haven't even had a chance to write Rohan off on ability.

Wells and Goddard are two who's career paths Rohan could follow (high draft pick, similar style (sort of), high draft pick with expectations etc. Need to give Rohan a chance to get consistent game time into him rather than trade him for a player who is so far from a certainty of becoming a consistently good footballer.

When I said I'd trade him for Davis, I meant knowing what we know about Davis. As in knowing he's a sure thing.

Walker could be a whole lot better than Davis. He could also be a whole lot better than Rohan. Or he could flop, as could Rohan.

To be honest, I don't really get the fuss about Rohan. He's an exciting player, yes, but so is Walker. They're both really good young players, but Walker has much more exposed form.

Remember, Walker is only a year older than Rohan, but has shown mountains more. People are seriously underrating what Walker has done.

 

[AG]

I don't think he is an untouchable but I'd like to see where he would be right now if he hadn't had injury problems for the past two months.

 

[Swans_01]

I would. I'd rather not lose Rohan but if it was a draft situation and both were available right now with everything we know I'd take Walker for sure.

That would be the case on a pure (proven rather than hoped for) ability/talent basis and would increase if I was picking for the Swans given everything we know about the list and their needs looking forward.

Don't know how you can say that Walker is proven? He has been in and out of an extremely weak Adelaide side over the last 2 years, and has left a lot to be desired. He is certaintly no sure thing, and still has a lot of question marks around him.

 

[BarneyBent]

Don't know how you can say that Walker is proven? He has been in and out of an extremely weak Adelaide side over the last 2 years, and has left a lot to be desired. He is certaintly no sure thing, and still has a lot of question marks around him.

He's been in and out of an Adelaide side with plenty of tall forward options, and mainly due to Neil Craig being a stubborn arse.

I don't know what more you can desire from a 21 year old FF than 2.3 goals and 4.3 marks per game, which is what he's averaging this year.

 

[Swans_01]

He's been in and out of an Adelaide side with plenty of tall forward options, and mainly due to Neil Craig being a stubborn arse.

I don't know what more you can desire from a 21 year old FF than 2.3 goals and 4.3 marks per game, which is what he's averaging this year.

Yeah I'm not saying that he is no good, in fact I hope that we do get him. But you can't say that one is proven (Walker) while the other isn't (Rohan). Walker is two years ahead of Rohan in development, so give Rohan another two years and I'm willing to bet that he will be a fair way ahead of Walker at the same age. For comparisons sake, look at Craig Bird who was drafted in the same year as Walker and both from the Sydney scholarship scheme. I think 95% of Swans fans wouldn't give up Bird for Walker.

The fact of the matter is you cannot compare the two and say give up Rohan for Walker, when Rohan hasn't even had a chance to show us what he is made of. I'm hoping we do get Walker, but the only way that will happen is if he puts a price on his head which only the Swans are willing to meet and walks into the pre-season draft, because we sure don't have anything that is adequate compensation in terms of a trade that we would be willing to give up.

 

[BarneyBent]

Yeah I'm not saying that he is no good, in fact I hope that we do get him. But you can't say that one is proven (Walker) while the other isn't (Rohan). Walker is two years ahead of Rohan in development, so give Rohan another two years and I'm willing to bet that he will be a fair way ahead of Walker at the same age. For comparisons sake, look at Craig Bird who was drafted in the same year as Walker and both from the Sydney scholarship scheme. I think 95% of Swans fans wouldn't give up Bird for Walker.

The fact of the matter is you cannot compare the two and say give up Rohan for Walker, when Rohan hasn't even had a chance to show us what he is made of. I'm hoping we do get Walker, but the only way that will happen is if he puts a price on his head which only the Swans are willing to meet and walks into the pre-season draft, because we sure don't have anything that is adequate compensation in terms of a trade that we would be willing to give up.

Walker is a year younger than Bird, and only a year older than Rohan. He's also a key position player, which always take longer to develop than midfielders/utilities. And while I'm a huge fan of Bird, always have been, I'd be mighty tempted to give him up for Walker.

 

[TheDoctor11]

Thought you lads might want to see this

http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/120316/default.aspx

FORWARD Taylor Walker has rubbished claims he wants out of Adelaide, saying he plans to re-sign with the club at the end of the season.

 

[Riders of Rohan]

Saw that, guess we'll have to wait and see at the end of the season

 

[awesummm]

Thought you lads might want to see this

http://www.afc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4417/newsid/120316/default.aspx

awww

 

[disgruntled goat]

When I said I'd trade him for Davis, I meant knowing what we know about Davis. As in knowing he's a sure thing.

Walker could be a whole lot better than Davis. He could also be a whole lot better than Rohan. Or he could flop, as could Rohan.

To be honest, I don't really get the fuss about Rohan. He's an exciting player, yes, but so is Walker. They're both really good young players, but Walker has much more exposed form.

Remember, Walker is only a year older than Rohan, but has shown mountains more. People are seriously underrating what Walker has done.

"Mountains more" in on-field achievement, arguably (seeing as he's been a senior player considerably longer) but also mountains more potential attitude problems. Rohan gives a much stronger impression of being a bloke prepared to work hard and be a team player. Walker hasn't shown the same, from what I've seen, although I concede his problems may stem from discontent with Neil Craig.

Personally, I'd rate Rohan untouchable.

 

[bedford]

So do i Mr Goat

 

[S120]

"Mountains more" in on-field achievement, arguably (seeing as he's been a senior player considerably longer) but also mountains more potential attitude problems. Rohan gives a much stronger impression of being a bloke prepared to work hard and be a team player. Walker hasn't shown the same, from what I've seen, although I concede his problems may stem from discontent with Neil Craig.

Personally, I'd rate Rohan untouchable.

Abso-****ing-lutely.

There is no way I'd be letting any of Reid, Rohan, Bird, Jack, Hannebery, Grundy, Mumford, Kennedy, Johnson among others go (for almost any price). They will be the nucleus of the side for the next decade and can form the basis of what could be an outstanding side.

 

[bedford]

i know who i would let go and thats Jetta , he is a squib in the Robbie Ahmat mould.

 

[swanton]

What has he done in the last month that makes him a squib
he has improved his defensive work immensely, plays with alot more intensity
he doesnt have that many broken tackles anymore, he goes in more hard at his tackles.

How about credit where credit is due, i know that earlier this year he would not have gone for that mark where he was running with the flight of the ball when there was 3 players running towrds him

 

[Swans_01]

What has he done in the last month that makes him a squib
he has improved his defensive work immensely, plays with alot more intensity
he doesnt have that many broken tackles anymore, he goes in more hard at his tackles.

How about credit where credit is due, i know that earlier this year he would not have gone for that mark where he was running with the flight of the ball when there was 3 players running towrds him

He's definitely improved his tackling, but the thing that's letting him down IMO is his fitness. He always seems to have a really good start to matches, and then trails off towards the second half! Next pre-season he needs to really knuckle down and improve his fitness levels a lot, which means that he also can't use his pace to best advantage because he can't get into the right spots on the field often enough.

 

[swanton]

He's definitely improved his tackling, but the thing that's letting him down IMO is his fitness. He always seems to have a really good start to matches, and then trails off towards the second half! Next pre-season he needs to really knuckle down and improve his fitness levels a lot, which means that he also can't use his pace to best advantage because he can't get into the right spots on the field often enough.

I'm not disagreeing about his tank and the fact that he could get in better positions and could get alot more of the ball, i was more agruing the point that he is a squib, which is is not anymore, he has worked his ass off of his defensive part of his game. just becasue he didn't get crunched like hanners (when he took that mark) doesn't mean it didn't take the same courage. A guy who is 70kg doing that with 2-3 players coming at him is not a squib

 

[CAS79]

"Mountains more" in on-field achievement, arguably (seeing as he's been a senior player considerably longer) but also mountains more potential attitude problems. Rohan gives a much stronger impression of being a bloke prepared to work hard and be a team player. Walker hasn't shown the same, from what I've seen, although I concede his problems may stem from discontent with Neil Craig.

Personally, I'd rate Rohan untouchable.

Add me to this sentiment. It's not just about what they have shown on field but in terms of structure work rate and secure personality. Other key indicators used to judge potential success.

What caused the issues Walker faces is an unknown and while id take a punt on him if available, looking decreasingly likely, but Rohan is not on the table for this trade. It would need to be a superstar trade to trade out Rohan.

 

[King Elvis]

None. Rohan just signed a 3 year deal last week?? Unless the other 2 want out, i can't see us giving up any of them.

Like the idea of trading Grundy though, i'm not his biggest fan anyway. Could throw in Jesse White as well.

Grundy wouldn't be of any value to us.

A lot of us on the Crows Board thought we might try and trade a tall this year, but with Davis going, that's effectively done - we're pretty right now.

Talia/McKernan are our CHB/FB combination, Walker/Tippett are our forwards.

No offence to Grundy, but Walker is the best KPP on our list (and I say that as somebody who gets incredibly frustrated by him) and could be one of the best forwards in the comp. Last two weeks are the perfect example of Walker - he'll fade in and out of games, half-arse a couple of contests, do some stupid screwpunt from the boundary... But then do some freakish stuff and end up with 4 goals in both games.

He's also a hugely popular player with the fans and the other players - considering a lot of people wanted Craig gone purely because they were worried he might be forcing Walker out, if we traded him, it'd result in Footy Park getting torched

 

[bedford]

What has he done in the last month that makes him a squib
he has improved his defensive work immensely, plays with alot more intensity
he doesnt have that many broken tackles anymore, he goes in more hard at his tackles.

How about credit where credit is due, i know that earlier this year he would not have gone for that mark where he was running with the flight of the ball when there was 3 players running towrds him

You needed to be there on Saturday night to see it

 

[CAS79]

If Horse is frustrated with TDL and looking for a forward for putting more pressure on his opponents while stil being able to take a few grabs and kick a couple perhaps we have a chance with Brent Macaffer.

24 by the time next season starts and hanging on by a thread to the Collingwood 22. He is a good player and would complement Reid as well.

 

[AG]

That's a good one. Definitely would be interested in getting him.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Luke Rounds would be a better get, just sayin'.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I'd be looking at dawes, collingwood's gonna struggle 2 hold onto him if they manage to re-sign daisy, don't know what type of trade we'd have to do but he and Reid would make a good combo and would work well with the numerous small forward options we have.