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F$&k Jack Watts. Would never take that heartless spud
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Crameri wouldn't have won us those games. The whole team was absolutely horrific.
Since when was conversion one of Crameri's strengths?Yeah, but sometimes a goal kicker is all that is required and conversion was a real problem against Melbourne.
I share Keystone's Agony's annoyance at this view that Crameri was useless. It's just sour grapes that he's gone.
Your missing the point.By 'meaningless' I meant that he only manages to kick goals against sides like GWS, Brisbane etc. And you're completely ignoring my point about opportunity cost. Sure I'd like to have him around still, but if that means giving up Zach, Ambrose and Chappy, then I'd say no deal.
Is getting 500k a year at the swans. Very good chance to come in for an injured Kennedy over the next few weeks.sorry if hes been talked about, havent been in here in about 6 months...
Is Tom Mitchell in the mix? He must be looking for an easy out.. surley! The strength of that midfield, the way they have frozen him out...
Zach has everything to do with it, seeing as though he was picked up as part of the deal. And there's no way Ambrose is on 200k.Your missing the point.
Zach Merrett has nothing to do with it, We couldve picked up a spud. Your saying that Chappy wouldnt have been there had Crameri because of some salary issues? NO
Im saying id prefer to have Crameri at 400k a year over Ambrose for 150-200k a year which he wouldve cost
Would trade melksham in a heartbeat if it got us Watts. It wouldnt but if it was ever offered, wouldnt think twice.
Since when was conversion one of Crameri's strengths?
And it isn't sour grapes. The deal benefited us, the Dogs and Stewy himself.
I've already explained what I meant by it and you're taking what I said out of context. Crameri was never a very good set shot at goal. You think he would've converted his chances into scores and won us those games? I disagree.For **** sake. Since he was capable of kicking a meaningless 40 goals a season.
I've already explained what I meant by it and you're taking what I said out of context. Crameri was never a very good set shot at goal. You think he would've converted his chances into scores and won us those games? I disagree.
So you really think Crameri would've been the difference? And you think it would've been worth keeping him over Zach, Chappy and Ambrose for his token 35-40 goals a season?I think a guy who can kick 40 goals clearly knows how to convert chances into goals, find himself in scoring positions or kick accurately enough at goal or however else you want to classify it.
Maybe at the next EFC board meeting we could move a motion for official recognition of the Stuart Crameri Goal Scoring Treaty ("SCGST") on the basis that it represents one of the few examples of true cooperation between the 18 clubs when they put aside their differences to officially credit Crameri with goals that he never actually kicked himself.
So you really think Crameri would've been the difference? And you think it would've been worth keeping him over Zach, Chappy and Ambrose for his token 35-40 goals a season?
I have no ill feelings towards Crameri. In fact I haven't given him one thought all year (besides now and the two Bulldog games). But really, winning by more against shit sides like Carlton only serves to boost our percentage. Sure its useful, but it doesn't help in finals football against quality like Hawthorn and Fremantle.For a start we wanted to keep him so it's not just me and a few guys on Big Footy.
Secondly, where do Chapman and Ambrose come into it?
Chapman was being signed regardless of the Crameri trade as had been indicated throughout trade period.
Crameri being on the list doesn't mean that Ambrose would have presented of anything less than the animal he was and we were looking for leading options. Ambrose might not have played a lot of footy this year but you can't assume that Ambrose would not have been drafted.
It's Merrett vs Crameri. Merrett is the better probably the better player but we never saw the best of Crameri which I think we would have seen had he played in front of a Dangerous Carlisle and Daniher/Ryder.
That I think Ambrose will ultimately end up being a seriously good half forward and that Merrett will be a star doesn't lessen the qualities that Crameri had. You're reinterpreting history because you don't like Crameri any more and talking a huge amount of shit in the process.
I have absolutely no doubt that his 30 - 40 goals this year would be the difference between fighting for 7th and 8th as we currently are and being firmly entrenched in the eight and probably 5th or a clear 6th.
Your missing the point.
Zach Merrett has nothing to do with it, We couldve picked up a spud. Your saying that Chappy wouldnt have been there had Crameri because of some salary issues? NO
Im saying id prefer to have Crameri at 400k a year over Ambrose for 150-200k a year which he wouldve cost
Your talking in hindsight. Thats why i said ive become much more happy with the trade off as Zach Merrett has progressed this year and i highly rate from what i seen ie: not just a one year hit wonder - dwell for 3 years type/he has it). Any first year player still needs more than a year to be accurately assessed though.Zach has everything to do with it, seeing as though he was picked up as part of the deal. And there's no way Ambrose is on 200k.
Less as starting salary plus game payments. Thats what you get for your first 2 years of AFL. You arent locked in to a 300k a year contract. Im not exactly sure what the match payments are but back in 2010 they were about 3.2k per game and after 5 games it became something like 4 something and after 10 games it increased again.Ambrose is on about 75K.
Source?Any first year draftee that isn't taken in the first round earns 50k/year. Top 5 picks earn over 100k/year, 5-10 about 90k/year, 10-end of first round 75k/year. The rest 50k/year.
Jack Viney, Toby Greene, Tom Mitchell and Jarryd Lyons.Source?
Lol
Scully earnt 135k back in 2010 when the salary cap was in 7. millions
hahhaha nice sources. They probably only know whats going into there pocket not whats going elsewhere out of that salary, but even so nice sourcesJack Viney, Toby Greene, Tom Mitchell and Jarryd Lyons.
135k is over 100k, yes?
sorry if hes been talked about, havent been in here in about 6 months...
Is Tom Mitchell in the mix? He must be looking for an easy out.. surley! The strength of that midfield, the way they have frozen him out...
Wouldn't losing Winderlich, Jetta, etc. create that extra cap space?Is getting 500k a year at the swans. Very good chance to come in for an injured Kennedy over the next few weeks.
I think Carlton would be the front runners but they seem to be with everyone. We cant fit him into the cap with much ease.