Opinion End The Negativity

[Noobz0r]

We exist to have a positive public image.

 

[Noobz0r]

Let's be honest, this board has bordered on pathetic all year and for the most part is unreadable.

Even the posts with the most likes in this thread are predictable.

"Port sucks blah blah blah" is a sure fire way to get some freebie likes around here these days.

I remember posting like this in 2014. I certainly didn't expect to be fed up 3 years later.

Natural progression isn't enough to win flags, no matter how good your list profile is.

 

[Lord Flasheart]

All hysteria aside, all I want is to watch a team when I am not punching the couch every 2 minutes when a port player 1) fluffs a field kick, 2) has no leading forward to kick to 3) when there is leading forward the kick misses the target (ffs most times they cant even kick it to advantage)

If we pick players and implement a structure that can address these issues then at least the supporters may enjoy watching the team again. We might even win a few games against the top teams.

 

[Jack Grange]

Put your October 2102 glasses on. In 2013 and 2014 we overachieved. In 2015 and 2016 we underachieved. In 2017 we were very close to the expected/hoped for trajectory of a list that was in disarray in 2012.

I think Hinkley thought it would take about 6 or 7 years to get us to the top. It was in his 8th year that Mark Thompson got Geelong their first flag. At the end of 2006 they very nearly sacked Thompson after not making finals in his 7th year. They had gone 5th, 12th,9th, 12th, 4th, 5th, 10th up until then.

This year was a pass albeit a bare one. Hinkley deserves to see out this contract. Personally, I would love to NOT extend Ken's contract until the end of next year- Buckley style. I'm a Ken man but the message has to be sent loud and clear to the players and coaching staff- we are playing for "now".

If we bomb out next year (and by that I mean we don't make finals) then it might be time to let Ken go and we can't afford to pay out two extra years. If we continue to improve on 2017, he thoroughly deserves an extra two years. If we make a GF he deserves an extra 3-4.

Ken's selection on Saturday night was for the future and not for the now. WC played for the now (i.e. recruiting Mitchell and Petrie). It's time to play for the now- put the coaches and players under that pressure by NOT extending Ken's reign until later. If Koch wants to back his words with action that's what he'd do.

However, GC's interest in Ken may force our hand.

Very Good Summary...although I don't believe an offer from GC would need to force the clubs hand as Ken still has a year to run on his contract...assuming nothing in fine print allows Ken to move with 1 year remaining..
I am a fan of Ken's however I think the crows slaughter may have forced his hand with youth which may well be a good thing. He has to be tougher at selection with no gold passes which if we go back to 2013 was probably how he started.
While I am at it we can talk coaches but ONE selfish, undisciplined act by one player may have cost us the game....namely Tom Jonas...f###g unforgivable and he probably would have been on Darling.
I repeat selection did not cost us this game; terrible goal kicking and poor disposal by our more experienced players, leaders none the less!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Kick straight and you end the negativity. Simples.

 

[Janus]

Kick straight and you end the negativity. Simples.

We might not be able to get new assistants...but we can get Ben Perkins

 

[missionpossible]

Forgetting who is coach for a minute. I want an answer to the question: Do people feel like we will improve next year. Yes/No and why

Yes and dare I say a lot on here are going to hate my first baited comment, growth from within.

Look at the age demographic of our list.

Over 30's have a natural progression backward. The only player of note in that Category is Westhoff and he is not showing signs of regression.

Other older players to say goodbye are Monfries, White and Krakouer. Fair to say these guys gave us a combined total of 90 minutes of quality AFL football.

A very good to elite batch of player in the 27 to 30 age group. Ryder, Gray, Boak, Ebert, Hartlett.

Then you have the 24 to 26 year olds about to enter their best years of football. Dixon, Wingard, Polec, Jonas, Pittard

then you have the 21 to 23 year olds who should still have rapid improvement but also develop greater consistency. Wines, Clurey, Howard, Amon, Bryne-Jones.

Cap that off with the pure talent to be developed below that. Powell-Pepper, Houston, Frampton, Bonner, Marshall

Around this you have depth in Broadbent, Grey, Neade, Impey, Atley, Drew

Even with that list I expect us to get better, Our percentage suggests that we will get better as well

Our only losses from this years team is Trengove and Young and that does not appear to leave a massive hole in the team.

Then we will bring some players in, one at least who we would expect to be best 22.

Now to take your bait. We have a great coach in Hinkley. Before everyone comes swinging at me just sit back and look at the players who have come to the club whilst he has been in charge compared to the players who came to the club between 2005 and the end of the Primus disaster.

 

[tribey]

Well written Shew.......I agree with all of that...

I have no doubt we were overs because of what Ken brought to the club in the way of attitude and game style........

Saying we overachieved in 2013 and 2014 - and wholly crediting Ken for it - is an astronomical cop-out.

Travis Boak, Robbie Gray, Chad Wingard, Hamish Hartlett, Jay Schulz, Brad Ebert, Kane Cornes, Dom Cassisi, Tom Jonas, Jackson Trengove, Justin Westhoff, Matthew Broadbent, Jasper Pittard, Matthew Lobbe, Cameron O'Shea.

All guys who were here when he arrived, all with undoubted potential/ability, but had spent the past few years of their careers at a club that was running on the smell of a rag that wasn't even oily. They were joined by Angus Monfries, a hardened warrior with invaluable experience, and the type of player (legit first teamer with no Port ties) we wouldn't have dreamed of attracting during the Primus years. Ollie Wines arrived via the draft and would become an instant star.

And with the AFL's financial package, a raft of new sponsors coming in and Adelaide Oval on the horizon, Koch and KT were able to back Hinkley to the hilt with a degree of support and resources that only Williams enjoyed circa 2004. No more fitness coaches with manboobs or peddling pseudoscience (Kosmodisk ffs!). No more FIFO assistant coaches phoning in via Skype, or shoehorned into the role despite never having laced a boot at age 26.

Port Adelaide was finally back on a wartime footing and the players flourished accordingly, with everything suggesting an extended era of contending was here. In fact, heading into 2015 with boom recruit Paddy Ryder onboard, no-one was saying the Power had overachieved, and after a horror early draw was negotiated with a 3-2 record - including a perfect quarter of football against the incumbent Hawks dynasty - many were tipping us to all but run the table from thereon, with a flag well and truly in the offing.

Cue the first of our four losses to West Coast at the venue, backed up by an unforgiveable capitulation to a penniless, talentless Brisbane, and we've been largely irrelevant ever since. From an irresistible September-bound tidal wave with formidable talent on every line, to downhill skiing pretenders, eager to choke and check out at the first sign of trouble. A contagion that first reared its head on occasion in 2013 (vs Carlton in R22, Q3 of the Cats semi) and 2014 (from
10-1 to 14-8), but went full-blown pandemic in Round 6 2015.

Any club worth its salt would do something about it.

Our club is about to double-down.

 

[thundercloud]

Gee the contrast to the 2 posts above in stark. Both have obv made a serious effort to critique a diff aspect: temporal v resources so diff to totally compare. Missions is positive based on resources, whereas the one by tribey takes a more dialectic model approach of boom followed by bust.

I complement both posters for offering a different perspective. I am not really interested in a poster saying the same thing over and over again, which some of us have a tendency to do. The forum would be better imo with variety of points of views and not by sheer number of posts to support a particular world footy view.

 

[Lord Flasheart]

Yes and dare I say a lot on here are going to hate my first baited comment, growth from within.

Look at the age demographic of our list.

Over 30's have a natural progression backward. The only player of note in that Category is Westhoff and he is not showing signs of regression.

Other older players to say goodbye are Monfries, White and Krakouer. Fair to say these guys gave us a combined total of 90 minutes of quality AFL football.

A very good to elite batch of player in the 27 to 30 age group. Ryder, Gray, Boak, Ebert, Hartlett.

Then you have the 24 to 26 year olds about to enter their best years of football. Dixon, Wingard, Polec, Jonas, Pittard

then you have the 21 to 23 year olds who should still have rapid improvement but also develop greater consistency. Wines, Clurey, Howard, Amon, Bryne-Jones.

Cap that off with the pure talent to be developed below that. Powell-Pepper, Houston, Frampton, Bonner, Marshall

Around this you have depth in Broadbent, Grey, Neade, Impey, Atley, Drew

Even with that list I expect us to get better, Our percentage suggests that we will get better as well

Our only losses from this years team is Trengove and Young and that does not appear to leave a massive hole in the team.

Then we will bring some players in, one at least who we would expect to be best 22.

Now to take your bait. We have a great coach in Hinkley. Before everyone comes swinging at me just sit back and look at the players who have come to the club whilst he has been in charge compared to the players who came to the club between 2005 and the end of the Primus disaster.

I agree that Hinkley must be a very good coach in regards to man management, but i think our systems clearly fall over under pressure and our structures are poor so tactically i think he is wanting. In regards to player demographics i cant argue the stats but there are issues like mental toughness and skill level that are not measured by this. I still doubt whether you can teach/improve footy smarts and skills to the degree our players are in deficit in these areas. I feel if we could replace 4 or 5 of our midfielders/forwards with players who can execute skills effectively and consistently, along with fwd line structure, we would improve considerably. After 4 seasons i dont think Ken is the person to achieve this.

 

[crafty_bernardo]

All the talk about improving our ball use in the pre-season, looking where our skills from 2015 to now not much has changed. What's up with that.

 

[noffle]

We finished the year 12W 2L (the two showdowns) in games where we kicked a 50:50 or better ratio of goals to behinds, and 2W (Pies & Hawks) 7L in games where we had a worse than 50:50 ratio. Now obviously there could be a lot of reasons for that correlation - you have better forward entries in games you win so you have easier shots etc, but I think some of it is an inability to perform under pressure. There is no pressure lining up at training, or for goal number 20 at Adelaide Oval against the Suns, or when you're 2013 Port Adelaide who no-one has expectations on, or Rnd 1 against Sydney where you're expected to lose (best accuracy for the year, 17.8) - but there's a lot more when you're trailing West Coast (x2), Richmond, or Melbourne in games you're meant to win and The Advertiser is writing articles about your goal-kicking. I don't know how you fix that - maybe it is a change of on-field leadership, maybe it's something at training, but if we fix it then we'll go a long way to improving in 2018.

 

[B0ydmoan]

We simply must turn the tables on the close loss results to be seen as a serious threat again. I believe it's now 4-15 in last 19. That's not acceptable.

Ken is a loser.

Way over achieved because he says the right things.

He has now infected our players with the ability to turn a win into a loss

He is a loser coach.

Koch wants to make a loser coach a 10 year coach.

Forgive me, but exactly what are Koch's football credentials again?

Koch is a player of the "mates" game..the in club

"Mates games" keep a butcher out when 5 of your forwards are out injured.

It keeps a Ken farmer medalist in the 2s and keeps a Trengove up forward.

It keeps a Trengove out and puts a west Hoff Wat chb.

It doesn't give Ryder any chop support in round 24.

It's why we aren't playing this week


Ken is a loser with a capital L. Koch is a Muppet who wants him there for 10 years.

Losers

 

[NEGAN]

Ken is a loser.

Way over achieved because he says the right things.

He has now infected our players with the ability to turn a win into a loss

He is a loser coach.

Koch wants to make a loser coach a 10 year coach.

Forgive me, but exactly what are Koch's football credentials again?

Koch is a player of the "mates" game..the in club

"Mates games" keep a butcher out when 5 of your forwards are out injured.

It keeps a Ken farmer medalist in the 2s and keeps a Trengove up forward.

It keeps a Trengove out and puts a west Hoff Wat chb.

It doesn't give Ryder any chop support in round 24.

It's why we aren't playing this week


Ken is a loser with a capital L. Koch is a Muppet who wants him there for 10 years.

Losers

Mate you are one funny poster, I love it.

 

[DSL64]

Lol is that the standard we are setting for ourselves now?

We are good and happy coz we are not losing by 100 points

Give me a f**king break

Na, I'm happy because we won 14 games - 1 & 1/2 games from top spot.
And yeah - I'm in the camp that we're not far away.
Granted, if we keep doing EXACTLY what we are doing we'll remain a middle of the road team winning 11-14 games a year, but if we tinker with a couple things and bring in a FA or 2 in the off-season those 11-14 wins may turn into 15-17 wins and a serious assault on the flag.

 

[DSL64]

Depends who we trade in, if Rockliff, Menzel and or Motlop are playing for port I can see us improving

But if nothing changes nope, tougher draw, probably tougher run with injuries.. but don't worry kenny will still have 2 years remaining in his contract after we extend him until 2020

Why are you convinced we'll have a tougher draw?
The draw will be similar to this year. We finished in the 7-12 range - the same as last year, which means
we'll play minimum of 1 and maximum of 2 return meetings with clubs ranked 1-6 on the ladder. This season we had 1 from the teams that finished 1-6 (Adelaide). Yeah, it may be tougher - we may draw 2, but one of the will be the Adelaide.

We'll also have a minimum of 2 and maximum of 3 return meetings with other middle six clubs and a minimum of 1 and maximum of 2 return meetings with clubs ranked 13-18.

The same as last year...
But depending on who you draw, we could have an easier draw...

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Why are you convinced we'll have a tougher draw?
The draw will be similar to this year. We finished in the 7-12 range - the same as last year, which means
we'll play minimum of 1 and maximum of 2 return meetings with clubs ranked 1-6 on the ladder. This season we had 1 from the teams that finished 1-6 (Adelaide). Yeah, it may be tougher - we may draw 2, but one of the will be the Adelaide.

We'll also have a minimum of 2 and maximum of 3 return meetings with other middle six clubs and a minimum of 1 and maximum of 2 return meetings with clubs ranked 13-18.

The same as last year...
But depending on who you draw, we could have an easier draw...

We probs won't get to play the bottom 2 teams twice.

The only top 12 teams we played twice was Adelaide and West coast.

Was a really easy draw. Won't be that easy next year

 

[BillyW]

Saying we overachieved in 2013 and 2014 - and wholly crediting Ken for it - is an astronomical cop-out

I didn't mean to credit Ken wholly, but I see why you got that impression. It would be remiss not to mention the hand KT, Burgo and Kochie had in our rise from basket case to contenders...........and of course the playing group...It was Ken that gave them the confidence to play the way they did however and it should be acknowledged...

to downhill skiing pretenders

Actually we played better against the top teams (hardly down hill skiers at that stage) and dropped the should win games as you pointed out......I believe the players started to believe their own press and got ahead of themselves, untimely injuries meant gutsy, statement making changes were limited and Ken gets labelled for picking mates.....although I admit there were times when I thought he held the faith in certain players for too long also.....but wholly crediting Ken for those seasons is folly also

Our club is about to double-down.

For the record I don' think we should have renewed just yet I just think he deserved to see out the current contract........

But depending on who you draw, we could have an easier draw...

I want a harder draw.........to be the best you have to beat the best....if we go another year and can't beat top 8 sides I'd rather miss the finals and have change.....it's a young side but we will be developing with sides like Saints, Dees etc with, in theory, players with more potential (higher picks) while the Crows, Swans cats reset so if Ken can't get it done I want to know about it sooner rather than later......

 

[thundercloud]

This thread is called end the negativity,
But why night call it for what it is
Well what is it?
Ruchi makes a good point am adv when he notes a supporter base which in part still thinks itcan be put pressure as per yesteryear at the front bar
A good assessment of the BF forum culture
Yes he prob does peruse it and shakes his head

 

[thundercloud]

Social media and the great divide.
Much research from heresay shows that individs will read, view what ever supports their point of view esp as per social media.
They enjoy like minded souls to converse with, and will ignore anything too much alternative.

 

[thundercloud]

So how does this apply to this forum
Firstly what better an ego power boost than thinking you can influence the selection reappointment of a coach
Why does bodymoan keep repeating the same words?
Which have an element of trumpism about them
Why say disengage with that poster because well he is not conforming to the like minded souls who patrol the forum
Yes patrol and keep saying the same thing re coach, hence conforming to like minded

Yes call it for what it is, not negative but a wink wink amongst typically those with a huge number of posts
Create a forum for their footy world view by.......

 

[Power Girl]

I often misuse irony in the correct sense so can someone help me is this irony or a misnomer or something else?

'when thundercloud accuses Boydman of repeating himself adnauseum' - what is that called?

 

[Magus]

Ken is a loser.

Way over achieved because he says the right things.

He has now infected our players with the ability to turn a win into a loss

He is a loser coach.

Koch wants to make a loser coach a 10 year coach.

Forgive me, but exactly what are Koch's football credentials again?

Koch is a player of the "mates" game..the in club

"Mates games" keep a butcher out when 5 of your forwards are out injured.

It keeps a Ken farmer medalist in the 2s and keeps a Trengove up forward.

It keeps a Trengove out and puts a west Hoff Wat chb.

It doesn't give Ryder any chop support in round 24.

It's why we aren't playing this week


Ken is a loser with a capital L. Koch is a Muppet who wants him there for 10 years.

Losers

 

[Doctor Feel]

I often misuse irony in the correct sense so can someone help me is this irony or a misnomer or something else?

'when thundercloud accuses Boydman of repeating himself adnauseum' - what is that called?

Hypocrisy imo.

 

[B0ydmoan]

Mate you are one funny poster, I love it.

#NotEvenDrunk