Enough is enough

[the big lebowski]

Harley Balic as well

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yes, they do. The AFLPA has in-house psychologists and they are freely available to ex-players.

This is literally from their website:
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Oh you mean a phone number. Of course

I thought you meant in house in regards to actual places to go too and visit. My bad

1 on 1 psychologists are required though, Not phone calls to a 1800 number. Thats what I mean by half assed effort

Your own workplace offers the exact same thing... and your own workplace probably doesnt ask you to dive head first onto a ball

 

[ShadowCat]

Except we don't even know that to be the case yet, other than some presumptuous linking below news articles.

There's a Geelong addy article that says the words 'took his own life' - regarding Selwood.

 

[juss]

More support for mental health in general needs more funding not just for the AFL

Yeh this, ex AFL players or not, this is an issue that effects the population, and moreso men.
Ex or current AFL players going through mental health challenges and potentially the devasting next steps obviously get more media coverage when it happens, so it' noticed more by the general population, but the countless individuals without a public profile that go through the same is just as terrible, it's just not as much of a story.

 

[bzparkes]

There's a Geelong addy article that says the words 'took his own life' - regarding Selwood.

Ok.

We don't know about Hunter yet though.

Someone in the other thread said he said he had chest pain after training.

 

[Feerits Elf]

There's a Geelong addy article that says the words 'took his own life' - regarding Selwood.

I think bzparkes was referring to Hunter, who complained to his mother of chest pains.

Inb4 "enough is enough where is the AFL funding for current and former players who might suffer myocardial infarction".

 

[iameviljez]

Oh you mean a phone number. Of course

I thought you meant in house in regards to actual places to go too and visit. My bad

1 on 1 psychologists are required though, Not phone calls to a 1800 number. Thats what I mean by half assed effort

Your own workplace offers the exact same thing... and your own workplace probably doesnt ask you to dive head first onto a ball

It doesn't say it's remote health only, far from it. Of course it has a phone number - how else do you let someone know you're coming in to see a psych? My psych has an office phone number published, that doesn't mean they don't see clients.

It's a dedicated 1800 number so that it's free to players who have burned through all their money. It's specifically for the AFLPA, it's not a corporate EAP.

I know you're angry, but that doesn't mean that the AFLPA and the AFL aren't doing enough.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It doesn't say it's remote health only, far from it. Of course it has a phone number - how else do you let someone know you're coming in to see a psych? My psych has an office phone number published, that doesn't mean they don't see clients.

It's a dedicated 1800 number so that it's free to players who have burned through all their money. It's specifically for the AFLPA, it's not a corporate EAP.

I know you're angry, but that doesn't mean that the AFLPA and the AFL aren't doing enough.

Its a corporate EAP thats ran internally. Pretending its otherwise wont make it true

 

[iameviljez]

Yeh this, ex AFL players or not, this is an issue that effects the population, and moreso men.
Ex or current AFL players going through mental health challenges and potentially the devasting next steps obviously get more media coverage when it happens, so it' noticed more by the general population, but the countless individuals without a public profile that go through the same is just as terrible, it's just not as much of a story.

Yes, but AFL players have specific issues to do with CTE, the massive dip in income and public attention, and the loss of a lifelong dream

 

[iameviljez]

Its a corporate EAP thats ran internally. Pretending its otherwise wont make it true

What evidence do you have of this?

 

[nut]

Shane tuck a notable omission.

Who are the two from the past few days?

Justin Crawford

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What evidence do you have of this?

Of what ? You just sent me the AFL support which is a random phone number? What else is there to prove?

Liam Pickens law suit is pretty clear. AFL pay no medical bills, no financial or emotional support. Is he a liar or something?

 

[Plugger35]

Dangerfield needs to worry less about trying to extend his own career with shorter quarters and more about looking after players post career.

Is AFL unique with having so many issues with mental health post career, so many players come out of the game with no understanding how to manage life out of the bubble.. Perhaps in US sport they dont become pro until after college so have lived a bit and more able to manage, although in Euro Soccer many players are pro at 16.

The AFL isn't unique, rugby union players, rugby league players and other pro athletes have had mental health issues post career.

Dan Vickerman who played for the Wallabies was one tragic example from rugby union.

Vickerman spoke of difficulties he faced after retiring from rugby

Former Wallabies player and Brumbies captain Owen Finegan says former Wallabies star Dan Vickerman confided in his friends about the difficulties he faced after retiring from the game.

www.abc.net.au

 

[iameviljez]

Of what ? You just sent me the AFL support which is a random phone number? What else is there to prove?

Liam Pickens law suit is pretty clear. AFL pay no medical bills, no financial or emotional support. Is he a liar or something?

You’re trying to tell me that the in house psych service at the AFLPA is some EAP box ticking on the basis of “I reckon”.

There is at least one tell that this is not just corporate EAP: they are psychs. Not councillors, not pastoral care. They are pricey people to have around.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The AFL isn't unique, rugby union players, rugby league players and other pro athletes have had mental health issues post career.

Dan Vickerman who played for the Wallabies was one tragic example from rugby union.

Vickerman spoke of difficulties he faced after retiring from rugby

Former Wallabies player and Brumbies captain Owen Finegan says former Wallabies star Dan Vickerman confided in his friends about the difficulties he faced after retiring from the game.

www.abc.net.au

Rugby league alot less weirdly enough. I looked and it’s 8 since 2008 that’s been reported on (not a real number though). Not at the level of AFL

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not sure that Hunter’s in this category, for what it’s worth.

Definitely needs to be more awareness and advocacy by the AFL. Expanding the Spud game to a full round would be a good start.

 

[juss]

Yes, but AFL players have specific issues to do with CTE, the massive dip in income and public attention, and the loss of a lifelong dream

I'm not denying they have challenges, but so do many other populations. A local footballer can have CTE, without the elite medical support along their career path either as an example.

 

[Bostonian]

Can't see why it's the AFL's responsibility once a player leaves the league.

If we all left a job the organisation we left is no longer going to have to support us in any way. Would anyone of us expect them too?

 

[oak79]

Can't see why it's the AFL's responsibility once a player leaves the league.

If we all left a job the organisation we left is no longer going to have to support us in any way. Would anyone of us expect them too?

Not saying more can't be done, but this is right - ex AFL players get way more support than most people.

It's a bigger problem than AFL.

 

[Bostonian]

Not saying more can't be done, but this is right - ex AFL players get way more support than most people.

It's a bigger problem than AFL.

Given how much they earn a small % could be garnered each week from their pay and put into a personal mental health account to be accessed after they leave the game.

That's up the the players association to take care of though. Not the AFL.

 

[Xtreme]

That's up the the players association to take care of though. Not the AFL.

Dangerfield should be advocating for that instead of a crusade to shorten quarter length.

 

[Cyclops]

Can't see why it's the AFL's responsibility once a player leaves the league.

If we all left a job the organisation we left is no longer going to have to support us in any way. Would anyone of us expect them too?

Yes.

Purely from a legal point of view your employer can be liable for health problems that began during your period of employment and develop after you leave eg asbestos related diseases.

Health problems often start small and develop years, even decades later. This is true of depression etc as well as cancer.

Its also good professional practice to support former industry employees in need on compassionate grounds, thats definitely within the AFLPA's ambit and if the AFL is smart they will lavish care on past players.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Not sure that Hunter’s in this category, for what it’s worth.

Yeah, a bloke who spent a good portion of his youth on coke dies after complaining of chest complaints. Suicide wasn't my first thought either.

 

[JPetro83]

Thank you. We are up to 5 since 2019.

Spud
Tuck
Balic
Macarthy
Selwood
Hunter...

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I find it wild the AFL has a round for just about everything you can think of but then has pretty low awareness for things like mens health, mens mental health, prostate cancer, etc

That would take away from all the irrelevant things they promote.