EPL Matchday 4

[SM]

So they've changed the rules because of the outrage over an incident which they wouldn't have changed their decision on. Ha good one FA refs

The outrage hasn't just been about the Spurs call..

 

[apollo_creed]

Spurs have been on the end of two ridiculous ones in successive weeks actually. The one against Southampton where it ricocheted off one Spurs defender onto another (ball heading out) was equally ridiculous.

 

[HolyRioli]

Premier League bows to pressure over handball and will show more leniency over penalty decisions

Premier League referees soften their interpretation of the handball law after six penalties were controversially awarded in the first three rounds.

www.espn.com.au

Some sanity prevails - still a stricter interpretation than previous seasons (article goes on to say the Dier and Maupay penalties would stand), though some of the penalties awarded this season would not have

 

[jd2010]

Spurs have been on the end of two ridiculous ones in successive weeks actually. The one against Southampton where it ricocheted off one Spurs defender onto another (ball heading out) was equally ridiculous.

It's not new for us. Lucas last season. Sissoko season before that

 

[SM]

Premier League bows to pressure over handball and will show more leniency over penalty decisions

Premier League referees soften their interpretation of the handball law after six penalties were controversially awarded in the first three rounds.

www.espn.com.au

Some sanity prevails - still a stricter interpretation than previous seasons (article goes on to say the Dier and Maupay penalties would stand), though some of the penalties awarded this season would not have

Is the Maupay one really that crazy? Surely would have been given in previous seasons.

 

[jd2010]

Is the Maupay one really that crazy? Surely would have been given in previous seasons.

That looked pretty deliberate

 

[HolyRioli]

Is the Maupay one really that crazy? Surely would have been given in previous seasons.

Not really, just that the article highlighted it

 

[Zidane98]

Maupay handball is a stonewaller. Hes not even challenging for the ball, has his arms up. The only reason it wasnt picked up by the ref was because it was a small deflection.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Not really, just that the article highlighted it

Would the Koch MD1 still be a penalty? Feel like there's going to be a whole lot of grey area now, which is probably more fun.

 

[Zidane98]

Would the Koch MD1 still be a penalty? Feel like there's going to be a whole lot of grey area now, which is probably more fun.

Easily, arm up and away from the body. Similar to Maupay.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Would the Koch MD1 still be a penalty? Feel like there's going to be a whole lot of grey area now, which is probably more fun.

Just noticed it mentioned it still would be because the ball travelled some distance - I guess some people still don't realise it took a huge deflection off his leg?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Easily, arm up and away from the body. Similar to Maupay.

I'm not sure what the difference is going to be then?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Joel Ward's arm was not close to his body, and actually moved further away from his body and toward the ball while it was in flight.

This is going to be nuts.

 

[SM]

Just noticed it mentioned it still would be because the ball travelled some distance - I guess some people still don't realise it took a huge deflection off his leg?

Probably because it didn't..

 

[Zidane98]

I'm not sure what the difference is going to be then?

The difference is they are not going to give handball against a player who has the ball played into them at close range with their arms by their side even if they move towards the ball. Ie the Everton pen against Palace.

 

[Zidane98]

Just noticed it mentioned it still would be because the ball travelled some distance - I guess some people still don't realise it took a huge deflection off his leg?

If you look at the rules a deflection is irrelevant if arms are in an unnatural position. No pen against Koch if theres a deflection and his arms are by his side.

 

[Pykie]

Probably because it didn't..

You seriously need your eyes checked.

It literally ricocheted off of his thigh into his hand.

 

[SM]

You seriously need your eyes checked.

It literally ricocheted off of his thigh into his hand.

It brushed past his thigh on the way to hitting his hand but there was no serious deviation of the ball. Serious straw grasping over a stonewall penalty from Leeds supporters.

 

[Pykie]

It brushed past his thigh on the way to hitting his hand but there was no serious deviation of the ball. Serious straw grasping over a stonewall penalty from Leeds supporters.

"Brushed"

 

[Loonerty]

That still image clears it up

 

[SM]

"Brushed"

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Geeze you're right, the ball is firmly planted on the ground in that image.

 

[Pykie]

Geeze you're right, the ball is firmly planted on the ground in that image.

How about now Stevie Wonder?


Fair chance the ball deflected that much it would have missed the goals completely had it not hit his hand.


Weren't you a ref?

Between this and the Jota handball, you aren't having a great fortnight....

 

[SM]

How about now Stevie Wonder?


Fair chance the ball deflected that much it would have missed the goals completely had it not hit his hand.


Weren't you a ref?

Between this and the Jota handball, you aren't having a great fortnight....

What handball?

In the above it does take a deflection but it doesn't meaningfully change the direction of the ball. His arm is out unnecessarily, pretty clear handball.

What a weird thing to bring up, yes I was a ref about four years ago for a season and knew the rules as they were written then, and I would have paid the above as a handball penalty under the rules then, and under the rules now.

 

[Zidane98]

You seriously need your eyes checked.

It literally ricocheted off of his thigh into his hand.

The rules state a ricochet is irrelevant if arms are up. Not sure why this keeps getting raised re Koch penalty.

 

[Pykie]

What handball?

In the above it does take a deflection but it doesn't meaningfully change the direction of the ball. His arm is out unnecessarily, pretty clear handball.

What a weird thing to bring up, yes I was a ref about four years ago for a season and knew the rules as they were written then, and I would have paid the above as a handball penalty under the rules then, and under the rules now.

OK fair enough.

I'd love to know what your definition of a deflection is then.

That ball is clearly on target then clearly off target following the deflection off his leg.

The fact that people are stating his arm is so far away from his body, contradicts the fact that it could have been a small deflection.

The rules state a ricochet is irrelevant if arms are up. Not sure why this keeps getting raised re Koch penalty.

Yes, but as stated above, it's a grey area as to whether it would be handball under today's interpretation.