Essendon 29k?

[Bombers_Forever]

I actually think that timeslot is the best for both clubs in Melbourne. I actually few down for the game and was able to fly back straight after the game. Same with the travelling supporters from Port - they could all fly in during the morning and fly back to Adelaide the same night.

I actually thought the crowd was pretty good - if we were playing better football, add another 10K to it.

 

[gaelictiogar]

Richmond have had two periods of consistent success. One when at he G. The other between the 20s and 40s at Punt Road.

What happpened then? Richmond at Punt Rd. Collingwood at Vic Park?

Attendance records date from 1921.

29 seasons 1921 to 1949 Pies final 20 times. Tiges final 19 times. More or less level with a smnall Magpie advantage.

Home attendances? Both at suburban grounds!

Richmond ahead of Collingwood 23 times. Collingwood ahead of Richmond 6 times.

In the G in the 60s to 80s. At Punt rd before then Richmond when finalling have usually outdrawn Collingwood at home where it is home support that matters. Historically a finalling Richmond outdraws a finalling Collingwood G or no G. FACT.

An informative addition to this post is as follows. It is often said that it was only Richmond's MCG residency that explained their pre eminence in drawing home attendances in the successful late 60s to 80s years. Utter nonsense of course.

I have already explained that in the Punt Road years we usually outdrew Collingwood. Well we usually outdrew essendon as well.

Stats date from 1921. In the 44 seasons from then til our last Punt Road year in 1964 wor outdrew essendon 29 times to 15.

During the Hafey years the G definitely boosted our crowds but given that we usually outdrew both the Pies and Bombers in the decades before that despite not finalling as often it is almost unimaginable that we would have failed to do so when regularly finalling. No doubt thatere will be spluttering and denial but the fact is a consistently successful richmond has been consistently the biggest draw in footy both at the G and previously at Punt Road.

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

Wow, Gullibletoiger, you've finally done it. You've built your time machine and gone back to the 1920's and returned with a bunch of the finest pre-WW2 straws in your hand!!

1. Collingwood
2. Carlton / Essendon
4. Geelong / Hawthorn / Richmond
7. St Kilda
8. North / Dogs / Melbourne

 

[gaelictiogar]

Wow, Gullibletoiger, you've finally done it. You've built your time machine and gone back to the 1920's and returned with a bunch of the finest pre-WW2 straws in your hand!!

1. Collingwood
2. Carlton / Essendon
4. Geelong / Hawthorn / Richmond
7. St Kilda
8. North / Dogs / Melbourne

All I've done is point out the FACT htat Richmond at Punt Rd outdrew Collingwood at Vic Park in the years before we moved to the G. and the FACT that historically a consistently finalling Richmond have outdrawn Collingwood wheter in the G years or the Punt Rd years.

Your responses to Dans facts reveal you don't like them but FACT is we usually have outdrawn you when both have been finalling.

 

[nicky]

Get em out guys, get em out

hahahahahahahahahahahahaahha GOLD!!!

 

[Paddywhackers]

When I first started posting on here under a different alias back in 2001rainman aka Dan26 used to claim that Essendon had gone past Collingwood, and that using stats back in the early nineties when the Pies had more supporters was irrelivant. It had to do with figures in the NOW!!!

As the Pies got their act together, we quickly went past Essendon, yet Dan26would manipulate stats and still claim the Bombers were ahead, because like for like comparisons in the late nineties proved this... And Ray Morgan also said so... See the irony...

Now there is absolutely nothing to suggest Essendon could be more supportered. Ray Morgan, Essendon crowds in the late nineties (oh the irony again) memberships (Pies have over 55,000 I believe)... there's nothing.

Now Dan26 is a biased man, umbelievably so... The fact that he now jsut wants to claim that the Bombers are equal, clearly suggests the Pies are some distance ahead, all things considered. Yet he uses stats from ten years ago to do this.

He has been posting on this topic non stop from the first time he started posting ten years ago. It means so much to him, poor guy.

 

[nicky]

lol top post paddywackers

 

[Paddywhackers]

lol top post paddywackers

I'm humbled to have a bigfooty lgend compliment my posts.

 

[doppleganger]

All I've done is point out the FACT htat Richmond at Punt Rd outdrew Collingwood at Vic Park in the years before we moved to the G. and the FACT that historically a consistently finalling Richmond have outdrawn Collingwood wheter in the G years or the Punt Rd years.

What FACTS??

You aint pointed out any numbers, or links to sites......you just simply said it and called it a FACT.

 

[nicky]

I'm humbled to have a bigfooty lgend compliment my posts.

i usually just lurk on the main board but every now and then i give credit where its due.

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

All I've done is point out the FACT htat Richmond at Punt Rd outdrew Collingwood at Vic Park in the years before we moved to the G. and the FACT that historically a consistently finalling Richmond have outdrawn Collingwood wheter in the G years or the Punt Rd years.

Your responses to Dans facts reveal you don't like them but FACT is we usually have outdrawn you when both have been finalling.

Rainman26 and GullibleToiger trekked into the Land of Reason hoping to win glory for Delusionland and their glorious King, Sheedy, now a gibbering lunatic but to him they shall forever be loyal

RM stops next to a tree on which he rests his shield of "you're not listening" turns to GT and asks "how are our provisions looking?"

GT removes his 1920's muscat from his shoulder, lays it next to RM's shield and opens the sack.

GT: "We still have 47 FACT-grenades"

GT: "we are running low on full stops". They turn to each-other and an argument ensures about. who. wasted. full stops. when. they. clearly. weren't. needed.

After a few minutes they settle down and agree to never agree. RM nods to the sack and GT goes back to counting then says "32 you-can't-handle-it rockets"...."16 apples"...

GT fossicks around some more and then his face lights up with a smile. RM knows instantly what he sees and demands "take it out I...I want to see it"

From the sack GT produces a glowing ball of gold and silver, his hands trembling with excitement. RM looks on mesmerised, oblivious to the 6 inch drool that swings from his lower lip which glistens in the reflection of the mighty ball. It is the Ball of Obstinance the pride of all delusionland.

When they meet the terrors of the evil rational hordes of Reasonland they can drop the sacred Ball at their feet and an impenetrable shield envelops them. If that's all it could do it would surely be the most glorious object in the world. But in addition it rings out for kilometres around screaming repetitively the dogma and propaganda of delusionland, over and over and over again.

As RM's drool hits the ground he snaps back, shakes his head and says "put it back" we must go on. GT does so against an almost impossible reluctance but ultimately knows the mission is ahead and their task is a great one.

But they march on in the knowledge that with Ball, they can never be defeated

 

[nicky]

hahahahaha GOLD!

 

[giantsully]

This may be completely OT but I thoroughly enjoyed this game - sure not a defensive bone in the collective bodies of both teams, but it was two young sides giving it a fair old crack. One of my favourite games for the year to date.

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

Hey, did anyone get a chance to read my last post?

 

[nicky]

hahaha needy much?

 

[gopies1981]

Yes im back to show you all comparisons between Collingwood and Essendon when they played against interstate clubs in Victoria from the year 2000 and the stats will show and Prove that Collingwood does have a bigger following the essendon and really have been bigger then the bomber's IMO since around 2003!


Collingwood Vs Adelaide

Biggest Home attendance = 52,592 R15 2008
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 40,655

Essendon Vs Adelaide

Biggest Home attendance = 40,322 R4 2002
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 36,734

Collingwood Vs Brisbane

Biggest Home Attendance = 61,868 R19 2003
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 47,797

Essendon Vs Brisbane

Biggest Home Attendance = 50,003 R12 2004
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 41,790

Collingwwod Vs Fremantle

Biggest Home Attendance = 45,383 R1 2008
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 36,258

Essendon Vs Fremantle

Biggest Home Attendance = 42,256 R21 2003
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 33,060

Collingwood Vs Port Adeliade

Biggest Home Attendance = 35,844 R14 2005
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 33,098

Essendon Vs Port Adelaide

Biggest Home Attendance = 43,012 R1 2000
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 35,365

Collingwood Vs Sydney

Biggest Home Attendance = 63,842 R21 2007
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 46,682

Essendon Vs Sydney

Biggest Home Attendance = 45,355 R1 2006
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 42,746

Collingwood Vs West Coast

Biggest Home Attendance = 52,968 R10 2008
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 37,771

Essendon Vs West Coast

Biggest Home Attendance = 48,913 R11 2007
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 36,161

 

[Chaz Pendlebury]

hahaha needy much?

Stay tuned for the adventures of nicky

 

[gaelictiogar]

What FACTS??

You aint pointed out any numbers, or links to sites......you just simply said it and called it a FACT.

www.stats.rleague.com/afl/crowds/summary.html

Check Richmond's attendances at Punt Rd compared to Collingwood's at Vic Park inthe 20s, 30s, 40s. In the years 1921 to 1964 Richmond outdrew Collingwood 24 to 20 despite being rubbish in the 50s and early 60s and would probably have outdrawn them in the Hafey years G or not.That is the evidence of the 20s to 40s. What I present as facts are easily accessible statistical truths. It is a simple statement of truth to say that Richmond have outdrawn Collingwood at home dozens of times and when going well have done so more ofthen than not.

Some will like that. Some won't. Some will call me gullible. Some will sneer but what can't be done is denial of the reality that what I say is simply true.

 

[bombers_4_ever]

I'd like to know why it's a designated "ticketed game" every year. Not sure if that's the AFL's call or Etihad's call, but it's ridiculous. As a Victorian Port member, I receive "free" admission to all Port's away games in Victoria - but have to go through the hassle and cost to get a ticket for these ticketed games that supposedly are going to be so full that you need an allocated seat.

Bloody ridiculous.

All of Essendon's Etihad "home" games are fully ticketed.

 

[swansboy]

i don't think it's wise for a supporter of club that is in footy state to talk about the Bombers having one bad crowd, when they draw less than the two NRL states just about every home game...

 

[bombers_4_ever]

Hawthorn got 33k vs port last yr on a saturday arvo, surely the dons who are so much bigger could get that?

We aint talking about last year. Anyway you also "claimed" that you had 50k members. So where were they?

 

[raskolnikov]

lol@Collingwood supporters and their dick measuring competitions

If bigger crowds make up for your lack of flags in the last 50 years I'm happy for you.

 

[PowerForGood]

Yes im back to show you all comparisons between Collingwood and Essendon when they played against interstate clubs in Victoria from the year 2000 and the stats will show and Prove that Collingwood does have a bigger following the essendon and really have been bigger then the bomber's IMO since around 2003!


Collingwood Vs Adelaide

Biggest Home attendance = 52,592 R15 2008 MCG
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 40,655

Essendon Vs Adelaide

Biggest Home attendance = 40,322 R4 2002 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 36,734

Collingwood Vs Brisbane

Biggest Home Attendance = 61,868 R19 2003 MCG
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 47,797

Essendon Vs Brisbane

Biggest Home Attendance = 50,003 R12 2004 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 41,790

Collingwwod Vs Fremantle

Biggest Home Attendance = 45,383 R1 2008 MCG
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 36,258

Essendon Vs Fremantle

Biggest Home Attendance = 42,256 R21 2003 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 33,060

Collingwood Vs Port Adeliade

Biggest Home Attendance = 35,844 R14 2005 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 33,098

Essendon Vs Port Adelaide

Biggest Home Attendance = 43,012 R1 2000 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 35,365

Collingwood Vs Sydney

Biggest Home Attendance = 63,842 R21 2007 MCG
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 46,682

Essendon Vs Sydney

Biggest Home Attendance = 45,355 R1 2006 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 42,746

Collingwood Vs West Coast

Biggest Home Attendance = 52,968 R10 2008 MCG
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 37,771

Essendon Vs West Coast

Biggest Home Attendance = 48,913 R11 2007 Docklands
Ave Home Attendance from 2000-2009 = 36,161

So what you are stating is that MCG crowds are bigger than Docklands crowds - insightful!

How does that relate to your argument though?

 

[Dan26]

Now there is absolutely nothing to suggest Essendon could be more supportered. Ray Morgan, Essendon crowds in the late nineties (oh the irony again) memberships (Pies have over 55,000 I believe)... there's nothing..

All I suggested (and proved) from various sources was that both clubs have almost identical supporter bases. And they do. Hardly controversial. What a stir that caused.

How did I know such a comment was gong to cause a cry-fest from you and a few others who seem unable to cope with the figures showing this to be the case. Is it THAT important to you to be number one???? Why sook and cry about it?

Supercoach and Dreamteam number show they are EQUAL (Essendon technically has more in both but I will use common-sense and say equal). Why is this sample of 600,000 footy fans (350K SC and 250DT) show both clubs equal? A fluke?

Look at Roy Morgan every year. Both clubs are always around 750,000. Always. There is variation from year to year, but look how close they are. Every year. Since the survey started, Essendon has averaged 778,000 every year and Collingwood 718,000. That's only 60,000 different on average every year! That's nothing. It's basically the same. In 2008 they both were surveyed as having 722,000 each. Each!

.................Essendon...........Carlton................. ....... ...Collingwood
2002...........862,000..............603,000................. ....... ........688,000
2003...........829,000..............582,000................. ....... ........693,000
2004...........796,000..............596,000................. ...... ........749,000
2005...........809,000..............531,000................. ....... ........776,000
2006...........798,000...............467,000................ ....... ........703,000
2007...........771,000...............515,000................ ....... .........688,000
2008...........722,000...............521,000................ ...... .........722,000
2009...........638,000...............493,000................ .................731,000



The funny thing is I don't even care, I'm just a stickler for the truth and accuracy. But you, and your mates... my God, heaven forbid anyone prove another club has equal support to your mob. It's like hearing that Santa is fake. Its like your whole world has come crumbling down.

You both need to get lives and get over it, and just accept that the support is equal.

Oh, but I forgot, Gopies and Paddys selective stats from the refurbished MCG with Collingwood at their peak, obviously prove beyong doubt who has more fans.

And that's the irony - this whole thread started about a 29,000 Essendon crowd versus the Port. Yet Collingwood, when they missed the finals, averaged almost exactly the same as Essendon versus Port/Freo/WCE/Adel. You cannot dispute that. apples vs apples.

It's about 30,000 for both clubs versus those 4 opponents when Ess and Coll are shit.

But all you idiots do is pump out selective and "apples v oranges" crowd stats to selectively suit your argument.

Get over it and get a life. You're all a bunch of losers. Just accept the fact that they're both even (HEAVEN FORBID) and get on with your life and worry about your team winning. Why is that so hard to accept???? What the hell is wrong with you to be so unnecessarily stubborn, in the face of all the evidence showing that the two clubs supporter base is equal?

Is it because of ME personally who you dislike, guys? Or is it because you really do care THAT much for you to all sook about this again and again and again?

 

[gaelictiogar]

Dan the fact is that to a percentage of Magpies the idea that Collingwood is some almighty everlasting "Manchester united" of the game is built in to their DNA. They simply find it hard to accept any notion that that notion be questioned.

You have shown them a raft of latterday figures showing Essendon at least equal which they are. I told them that successful richmonds in the past usually outdrew them at home both in the Punt Rd. days and later at the G - a simple fact easily verified on stats.rleague - and was greeted with laughter. They simply cannot believe that more often than not Punt Rd had bigger crowds than Vic Park. ( this point is equally true of Carlton )That upsets the myth. They simply can't believe the clearly proven fact that in recent years Essendon enjoy equal support. That also upsets the myth.

That answers your question. Its psychological.