Essendon again

[Gonzo]

Originally posted by Pessimistic:

First pays second, winner has week off..... Third plays Fourth.... etc etc..... and then when they get a winner, they play Hawthorn for the flag !

Last bit should be " they get the right to lose to Hawthorn in the Grand Final"

Yeah I hated em!!!

 

[dons_r_tops]

That exactly how the 80's were and how the new century, (which starts next year) will be except its the bombers youre all gonna play off against.

As for the bombers, They are the best, Were the best and always will be the best, all you others are insignificant, no explaination required.

Were gonna win the next 3 flags !!!

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2000 premiership

[This message has been edited by dons_r_tops (edited 24 October 2000).]

 

[Bitch]

dons r tops,
Finally you Essendon supporters are starting to get the hang of it. Pure and simple arrogance! Although you are still not convincing. Just remember you are still only second best. As Carlton sit high on that perch of dominance and look down upon you we can do nothing but admire your endeavour. Keep trying guys. We love the stimulation!

 

[Dan26]

OK,

I don't care wjether we are arrogany ant more
I don't care whether people hate us
I don't care if BSA thinks that we need to explain ouselves.

I just dont' care

All I care about is that we have won 16 premierships and are currently the leading football club on and off the filed in the AFL

Whether peopke have negative perceptions about our supporters.....big deal. I don't care.

All I care about now, is that we are the best. And we are. Live with it people.

Roylion,

About the millennium thing. Surely, if the year "0" began, then one year later, when the year "1" beagn, this meant that one year had past. During the year "O" and before the year "1", this time period (even though it was during the year "0") was still the first year.

This means, surely, that 1999 was the 2000th year. When the year 2000 clocked over, it meant 2000 years had been completed, and we began on the 2001st year. We are currently in the 2001st year, and when 2001 clicks over, it will mean that 2001 years will be completed. It's a bit like 1996 being the AFL's centenary year. 1996 was the 100th year, but it "sounds" like it was the 99th. On closer inspection, it is actually the 100th season. The AFL were right.

All that is ignoring the fact that Jesus was probably bron at some other time.

So, i stand by the fact. We have won premierships in three century's

 

[Shinboners]

If you don't care, then why post so much telling people that fact?

One would have thought that if you didn't care, you wouldn't have been arsed replying.

Shinboners
Who does care. Honestly.

 

[Dan26]

I don't care "any more". I've realised peoples petty jelousys and insecurities spawn derisive comments about Essendon.

So, I just don't care what people think of us any more. I know were the best. And I know that everyone else knows it. That fact is enough for me. Oh, and that's not going to stop me from posting messages.

[This message has been edited by Dan24 (edited 24 October 2000).]

 

[geelong4eva]

Dan24 - I hope that the arrogance and condescending attitude you display on this forum doesn't carry out onto your social/working life. Otherwise i fear you won't have a friend in the world. Essendon (along with Carlton) may be the most successfully run club with the most premierships, i'm not disputing that, however your attitude that we're the best and always will be makes me laugh. My most indellible memory of football supporters was those sad and angry Fitzroy supporters in 1996 ( a week before the merger )when they stormed on to the field after a heavy loss to geelong and we're crying for their (soon to be dead) club. Now that was real passion. That was character building. These same people went week in week out, despite the threat of maybe not seeing their club next week or the constant petty jokes about Fitzroy (mainly from arrogant Carlton and Essendon supporters) Think about it Dan24 - would u still go to the footy like many Roy supporters if Essendon (god hoping it will happen soon !) go the shit kicked out of them week in week out. I can see your are a passionate and intelligent supporter, so there is no need to bag other fans for barracking for teams other than Essendon. I respect and admire Carlton in fact, because they don't boast and admire themselves (apart from John Elliot) they just get on with the job (taking care of business). Collingwood supporters may be insufferable sometimes but at least they aren't teenyboppers who simply hop on board for Lloyd and Hird (Etc) - I'm willing to bet that Essendon's membership would drop off by at least 5000 (maybe 10,000) if those said players transferred to another club. And if you are going to resort to calling me a dickhead for simply venturing my opinion, then it simply paints you in a bad picture. And why don't the bombers ever play down at Shell Stadium ? There is ample room there for their supporter base.

 

[Shinboners]

Petty jealousies? Insecurities? Go back to this board's archive and check out the messages of congratulations posted to Essendon fans from fans of all the other clubs after your Grand Final win.

Go to the Essendon board and read all the friendly messages left there by non-Essendon fans. Have a peek at the North and Doggies boards and read the friendly banter between the fans of our clubs and your's.

These are hardly the actions of petty and insecure fans. Nah, the real problem is this. You're happy to dish it out to other clubs and fans, but when people dare to disagree and argue back, you have a big sook, quote a bunch of stats that nobody cares about, before falling onto your last line of defence, "You're just jealous of Essendon", while quietly ignoring the flare ups between the WA/SA fans and Victorian fans, North and Brisbane, the Doggies and Brisbane, Collingwood and everyone else, North and Sydney, Geelong4Eva and everyone else....yeah, lot's of Essendon content there. God man, there is more to football than Essendon....get used to it and deal with it.

 

[Dan26]

Shinboners,

Well, to me there's not. Essendon is everything for me as far as football is concerned. I am passionate about the game too, but Essendon is number one for me. Why take what I say so lierally? Why not just take it with a grain of salt ?

I don't quote meaninless stats. I quote stats that back up what I say. You have a go at me for rubbishing others if they disagree with me. Well, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to change my opinion, just to make friends with people. I unerstand their "poit of veiw", but that doesn't mean I'm going to agree with them does it ? If you can't "accept" my point of veiw (whether or not you agree with it), then we are going to be in for some pretty angry posts and I really don't want that.

Really.

 

[Dan26]

To G4E

First of all there is NOT room at Shell Stadium for Essendon. Accept that it would be a sell-out (or lock-out)

Secondly, Fitroy fans were loyal, sure. The only reason they were loyal, was because the loyal ones were the only ones left. "New" suporters didn't want to barrack for a struggling team, so they chose someone else, whilst the Unloyal Fitzroy fans didn't bother turning up.

Thirdly, Essendon's membership would not drop if Lloyd left for example. We have maintained a high membership for about 7 seasons now and have played in front of big crowds for the besrt part of 100 years.

Why is it that "some" people think that Essendon's support just "happened" in 2000. I'm sorry to tell you G4E, but our young supporters are with the club for life. When you start barracking for a team, you don't change. Richmond have massive support in the 30-40 age bracket which shows that all the young kids who barracked for them when they were successful are still there. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[!!]

Shinners! more to footy than Essendon? Since when?

 

[dons_r_tops]

Hey Bitch, Your Team Sucks
Bunch of try hard, Dinosaurs related wannabe Bombers, the only reason Manton hates Us is cause he wishes he could be one of us Again.
well too bad metal boy, weve got the 2000 premiership and all you got was the 1999 Grand final LOSS

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2000 premiership

 

[sandie]

G4E & Shinners
I know you are upset with Dan24 & are just saying things about our supporter base because of that, but please don't class all Bomber supporters as bandwagoners etc. I started supporting the Bombers in 1967, I went through a lot of hard years, still turned up to games every week, went to training etc.
I am not alone, there a alot of Bombers just like me.


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Mantis

 

[Shinboners]

Sandie

You know I've got plenty of respect for Essendon and what they've achieved throughout their history. I've even stuck up for your boys here when I think its been warranted. And I know you've done the hard yards (the 70s) in following your team, so if I have a go at Essendon, just keep in mind who I'm addressing and what it's in relation to....but if I go too far, just drop me a line because I don't want to offend you, Arch, Rice, Walshy, or the other top Essendon fans that I know here.

 

[Bitch]

dons r tops
See what I mean? Insecure to the max! That's what you are. What the hell has Manton got to do with it? I don't recall mentioning "the bolt" in my post. Insecure, insecure.

 

[Roylion]

Dan24. How on earth can you have a Year 0? As a trained historian who specialised in ancient and medieval history when at uni quite a few years ago, I can assure you that the sequence of years around that time does NOT go... 1 BC, 0, and then AD 1. The correct sequence is 1 BC (supposed birth of Christ at the end of that year) and the following year is AD 1. (Anno Domini meaning "In the Year of our Lord). In other words AD 1 was the first year of Christ's life and was not completed until the end of the year...just like 2000 years will not be completed until the end of the year 2000.

I'm also aware of all the theories surrounding when Christ was born, so please don't start quoting those. It makes little difference anyway. The fact remains that for whatever reason we have the numbering system for our calendar that decrees that this year is 2000. As such if that is the case, it is still the twentieth century.

Think about it. We are in the middle of the AD 2000, the 2,000th year since the birth of Christ. This means we have completed 1999 years since that supposed event and have another couple of months until the completion of the 2,000th year. Only then will we tick over into the 21st century. It's just like when you are born you are in your first year of life and when you complete your first year, you are 1. You are not in your 'noughth' (?)'year of life are you?

Come on Dan. Admit you're wrong. Essendon has only won premierships in two centuries, as the 21st century is still to start. There is no Year 0, and never has been. Only if Essendon win a premiership in 2001 or beyond can they claim a premiership in three centuries.

 

[Bitch]

Oh dear, it seems Essendon are cheating again.
Go check out http://www.afl.com.au/news/story_202943.htm a story in relation to the draft. Tut, tut Bombers.

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The Blues. The best in the business.

[This message has been edited by Bitch (edited 25 October 2000).]

 

[Groucho]

Roylion,

Though loathe to agree with Dan24,I believe there should have been a Year 0. During the whole millennium argument last year ,when I read many articles by historians,mathematicians etc, the conclusion seemed to be that the monk who devised the gregorian calender erred in not putting in a year 0. For the sake of the exercise let me use our current system of measuring a year. What you're saying is that after 31/12/1BC came 1/1/1AD,but you have to travel 12 months to make 1 year so to get to 1AD 12 months had to elapse after 1BC, therefore this year should have been year 0. Indeed if there was a year 0 you don't have the absurdity of 1980 being part of the 70's and 1990 being part of the 80's and, yes,2000 being part of the 90's. I have chosen to accept the year 0 and,reluctantly, agree with Dan24 that Essendon have won premierships in 3 different centuries.

 

[Roylion]

That correct Groucho. What I am saying is that after 31/12/1BC came 1/1/1AD. It doesn't make sense when you say "but you have to travel 12 months to make 1 year so to get to 1AD 12 months had to elapse after 1BC, therefore this year should have been year 0."
AD 1 is the duration completion of the first year of Christ's life, just as when you were born, you don't have a 0 year and then enter your first year at the completion of the 1st year. You in fact have completed your first year and are entering your second year. At the end of your second year of life, you are 2.

How can you have a 0 year? It's either before Christ or after Christ is born. You can't have a year where it's neither. The Eastern Orthodox Church says Christ was born on 6th January 1 AD and they date the start of the year from that day.

Therefore the 1st century ends on 31/12/100 AD and the second century begins on 1/1/101 and ends on the 31/12/200. The twentieth century ends on 31/12/2000 and the twenty-first century begins on 1/1/2001. Therefore Dan may think Essendon has won premierships in three centuries but from what I have read and studied, the weight of scholarly opinion appears to be against him. Still that's never stopped Dan24 before.

 

[sandie]

It is total bullsh@# bitch, you can't rig the draft, what does it matter if he talks to anyone or not, if a club wants him they just pick him & he has to play for them or stand out of football for a year.

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Mantis

 

[Pessimistic]

Fear not, Essendon Haters.

Essendon is now so much in the image of Kevin Sheedy that they will be in grave danger of disaster when he finally leaves. And I'm talking about much more than the coaching role here

As I see it the only thing which can avert this is if the 'great man' himself puts in a proper succession plan. Does he have the will to do this ? Even if he does, not many great leaders in history have successfully done this. Backstabbing and jealousy will take care of the rest.

It won't happen overnight.. But it will happen (R Hunter)

[This message has been edited by Pessimistic (edited 25 October 2000).]

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

sandie

the point is

ITS AGAINST THE RULES

cheers

 

[kevin sooky]

You are right Sandy, its what I've been saying all along.

There was nothing wrong in us breaching the salary cap in 97 or 93, after all we had the money didnt we, what do the rules matter, isnt that right BSA?

[This message has been edited by kevin sooky (edited 25 October 2000).]

 

[Hawkforce]

Lets have a poll on whether Essendon have won 3 flags in 3 centuries.

This FASCINATING subject is just so stimulating!

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

yeah obviously if you have the money then you can waive the rules
hehe