News Essendon list changes (Update: Neagle and Atkinson delisted)

[Smyth94]

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Lloyd? No way. Dermott Brereton bangs on about Hurley being moved forward all the time and Lloyd says CHB is his best position, and that he is not a natural goalkicker.

If that's the case then Lloyd has done a complete 180 degree backflip. He has stated at least twice on SEN that he sees Hurley as our most natural forward.

 

[morebeer]

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If that's the case then Lloyd has done a complete 180 degree backflip. He has stated at least twice on SEN that he sees Hurley as our most natural forward.

Thats the way I recall it too Smyth.

But I also remember him at the start of the year calling for McVeigh to be moved back and then later on in the year he was adamant that he should be played in the midfield.

I guess there is a chance both of you are right.

 

[bombermick]

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1) Joe Daniher must agree to join the club

2) Cant be drafted until 2012

3) No inpact until 2015

So we should wait five years

If he's as good as say Hurley, there's no reason why he can't make an impact in his first season. We already have Neagle, Carlisle and Gumbleton as key forward targets. This doesn't include Hurley, who may find himself forward while Fletch is still around (still have Pears and Hooker down back). I can't see the logic in choosing another key forward with our first pick, when it's an area of the ground we are well covered in. If he slides and lasts 'til our pick 30 no problem.

 

[Bombermania]

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why we delisted tyson slattery has me dumb founded?? did they confuse him with henry? henry should be the one gone

I have been waiting for this comment but I though I would let someone else come up with it.

 

[FandangoDingo]

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lol. Read the comments in the EFC web site news article on the announcement. Every 2nd person said it.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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Hurley is a more natural defender...easily. Just watch the Saints game.
And reports that we are drafting Gorringe with no. 8 pick is a ruse to force GC picking him before our pick thereby leaving a MF available for us.

 

[LeeARM]

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Of course Hurley looks like a natural defender, that's where he's been playing for years.
He has more potential at center half forward though, in my opinion. He'd just need to get used to it.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

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Of course Hurley looks like a natural defender, that's where he's been playing for years.
He has more potential at center half forward though, in my opinion. He'd just need to get used to it.

What kind of reasoning is that? Would you have said the same about Fletcher. And how can he have more potential playing away from his best and most natural position?

 

[LeeARM]

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What kind of reasoning is that? Would you have said the same about Fletcher. And how can he have more potential playing away from his best and most natural position?

Maybe I'm just too hung up on round 22, 09 but he's showed he's very capable of playing there. The reasoning comes from the fact that he looks like our most talented young tall and CHF is where he could have a bigger impact. I probably would have said the same thing about Fletcher if he had shown potential up forward.

 

[Rack Watts]

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I sort of understand what he means, when you have a chance at a player who could be a brilliant CHF or CHB what would you take?

CHF for me even though I like his amazing field kicking I think he'd win games off his boot at CHF.

 

[yaco55]

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If he's as good as say Hurley, there's no reason why he can't make an impact in his first season. We already have Neagle, Carlisle and Gumbleton as key forward targets. This doesn't include Hurley, who may find himself forward while Fletch is still around (still have Pears and Hooker down back). I can't see the logic in choosing another key forward with our first pick, when it's an area of the ground we are well covered in. If he slides and lasts 'til our pick 30 no problem.

You are still waiting a minumum three years.

Prefer that we go mid with Pick 8 - But raised the hypothetical that if the recruiters rate Darling/Gorringe as much better than the next midfielder -

Who do we select - Ruckman or Foward/cum midfielder.

It is likely that one if not both will be available at pick 8.

 

[yaco55]

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Why would you delist other players (before the deadline) without re-signing these players first. What if the club offers a one year contract and another club says we will give you a two (remember other clubs will get them for free now) and a player walks out.

I just cannot understand why you would delist players prior to finalising all contracts. Just opens us up to a McPhee sceanrio again. Poor management once again.

Be positive.

We would be blessed if Lonergan and Atkinson were picked up by other clubs.

Saves the recruiters making hard decisions !

 

[Rack Watts]

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Jack Darling has a superstars name, I thought the same of Michael Hurley, Patrick Dangerfield and Daniel Rich.

 

[Giggidy Giggidy]

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Maybe I'm just too hung up on round 22, 09 but he's showed he's very capable of playing there. The reasoning comes from the fact that he looks like our most talented young tall and CHF is where he could have a bigger impact. I probably would have said the same thing about Fletcher if he had shown potential up forward.

Gumbleton & Carlisle look like natural CHFs though.... how many can we have? If Hurley is to play forward (which I hope he does), I think he'll play deeper behind one or both of the above.

 

[HardMan2010]

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Maybe I'm just too hung up on round 22, 09 but he's showed he's very capable of playing there. The reasoning comes from the fact that he looks like our most talented young tall and CHF is where he could have a bigger impact. I probably would have said the same thing about Fletcher if he had shown potential up forward.

Maybe we should move away from the Knights plan and play players where they are actually comfortable and know how to play?? Would that be too much of a task??

We have a great backline...Pears/Hurley/Hooker/Fletch/HSlattery (arguable, but must admit does shut down)/McVeigh (?), mix of youth and experience...developed and we begin with our backs and move forward...we stop leaking goals and we can have a bunch of good kicks to lead the charge from the back forwards...

 

[Slattery_20]

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Stupid Knights breaking Pears' pancreas and suspending Fletcher and breaking Slattery's hammie, what a stupid plan.

 

[LeeARM]

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Gumbleton & Carlisle look like natural CHFs though.... how many can we have? If Hurley is to play forward (which I hope he does), I think he'll play deeper behind one or both of the above.

Well I'm still not sure what's best for the team structure but I'm still convinced that Hurley would be far more dangerous as a forward. I guess we'll see how Gumbleton and Carlisle go. Who knows, Neagle might finally start kicking bags and Hurley might not have a place up forward at all.

Right now I'm thinking that he'll be used as a utility and go where he's needed.

 

[The House]

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Maybe we should move away from the Knights plan and play players where they are actually comfortable and know how to play?? Would that be too much of a task??

We have a great backline...Pears/Hurley/Hooker/Fletch/HSlattery (arguable, but must admit does shut down)/McVeigh (?), mix of youth and experience...developed and we begin with our backs and move forward...we stop leaking goals and we can have a bunch of good kicks to lead the charge from the back forwards...

Again I'm flabbergasted.....i know opinions in footy differ, and i happily scroll through dozens of which i disagree with each week, and say nothing. Each to their own.

And i hate to raise this ol' chestnut again, but honestly how can you say we "must admit" that Hank does shut down opponents??

Because honestly, i need to know.

I watch him each week like most here, and i consistently see his opponents damaging us.....so please explain what part of their game he is shutting down.....it's clearly not shutting down disposals or scoring opportunities.

Hank has MANY flaws in his game that regularly hurt Essendon on the scoreboard, but his main flaw is that he cannot perform his most important task, to shut down dangerous opponents.

To give you an idea of how often he shuts an opponent down, this is a guy that "restricts" Didak to 22 disposals and 2 goals from a hff, and has a chorus of fans banging on about it for months.

So considering that's the kind of "restriction" that has his minions shouting from the roof that he's shut someone down, how effective do you think he is on a normal week?

To the rest of what you've said, i agree....definitely hope Jimmy can find one of the best backlines going around within our current list.....

....although i'm personally right on the fence as to which is the best position for Hurley both short, and long term.

Definitely looks a more natural defender to me, however if he can produce the goods like he showed us a couple of times up forward, it's very tempting to leave him there as they're much harder to find.

If anything i'm probably leaning slightly towards playing him forward as much as poss in 2011 while we still have Fletcher back, and hopefully his development as well as Gumby, Neagle, Carlisle etc will paint a clearer picture for how we should move forward with our structure......good problem to have.

 

[Slattery_20]

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Didak 4 weeks prior
33d 3 votes
28d 2 votes
31d 1 vote
35d 0 votes.

Yeah, yeah I would say 22 touches and 2 goals was a win, given the stampede the match was. Especially given one of the goals was from a free kick Hocking (I think) gave away.
You don't like him. We get it. You're boring, you're repetitive, we'd be better served (as a forum) just having a bot instead of you saying "Slatts sucks! Slatts sucks! Do not like" and you're now on the ignore list.

 

[The House]

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Didak 4 weeks prior
33d 3 votes
28d 2 votes
31d 1 vote
35d 0 votes.

Yeah, yeah I would say 22 touches and 2 goals was a win, given the stampede the match was. Especially given one of the goals was from a free kick Hocking (I think) gave away.
You don't like him. We get it. You're boring, you're repetitive, we'd be better served (as a forum) just having a bot instead of you saying "Slatts sucks! Slatts sucks! Do not like" and you're now on the ignore list.

I agree in a way it is a win....22 disposals and 2 goals probably one of Hank's best for the last 2 years.....not a shut down though is it?


Maybe if you actually read my post you'd realise i was asking a question.....obviously my parametres of a shut down are quite different to a few others on here, if so, explain to me how we "must admit" he shuts blokes down.

Ps, i like that you haven't allowed a trivial thing like accuracy to get in your way when paraphrasing my views on Slattery.....

......pretty sure i wouldn't have mentioned Slattery's lack of ability in at least 20 or 40 posts before i wrote this one (which is a while as i don't post on here all that often).....and to say i don't like him is just flat out not true.....but again, i'd hate for you to let that pesky attribute of accuracy get in the way.


It is true however that i don't think Slatts is up to it, and the same goes for the majority on here....similar to the majority thinking Knights wasn't up to it......

......seems you're a little touchy on this one little man, after reading a million and one critcisms of Knighta you nod and agree, but when it's someone disagreeing with someone you rate, you crack the sads and start calling names saying it's boring and repetative.

Any more repetetive than your predetermined flat out backing of Slattery over, and over, and over again???
I think not.


Pps, i think it's cute that you have an "ignore list".....it's like you think people like me would care!

 

[Duckworth]

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Not this again

 

[Towno78]

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Again I'm flabbergasted.....i know opinions in footy differ, and i happily scroll through dozens of which i disagree with each week, and say nothing. Each to their own.

And i hate to raise this ol' chestnut again, but honestly how can you say we "must admit" that Hank does shut down opponents??

Because honestly, i need to know.

I seriously doubt that.
Honestly, I don't think there's a single person, Slattery haters included, who wants to hear what you have to say about him ever again.

 

[FandangoDingo]

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It is true however that i don't think Slatts is up to it, and the same goes for the majority on here....similar to the majority thinking Knights wasn't up to it......

Agreed. If the majority on here WERE up to it, I suspect we'd be playing rather than posting.

Pps, i think it's cute that you have an "ignore list".....it's like you think people like me would care!

Errr. "Ignore" individual posters on this forum (or any other) and their posts simply won't be displayed to you. I don't think Slattery_20 has a little book, as such.

 

[Wanna B Hird]

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Well said The House. Unfortunatley alot of people around here are in la,la land and are in total denial regarding some of our list, it makes me wonder if they actually watch the game. Hopefully Jimmy gets the best out our boys

 

[Kong]

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And i hate to raise this ol' chestnut again, but