Roast FA compo - Goddard

[loki04]

Is it just me or do St.Kilda make out like bandits with Goddards compo if the rumoured pick 13 is to be believed.

He is turning 28 next season and is coming off 2 poor seasons his value to St.Kilda is more with him leaving then staying in a rebuild.

Should clubs who lose older players be given such high picks for them when the player realistically didn't have a lot of years left anyway?

 

[esc0bar]

IMO he is worth pick 13... Was a high draft and has performed for many years. Will be valuable to any club and a big loss to st kilda regardless of a rebuild.

 

[loki04]

I realise he was a high draft pick and prior to 2011 was a premier player in the comp and likely will be again next year but he is also in the last few years of his career, if he was so valued by the saints they would of matched the offer or at least increased their original contract but they didn't.

 

[FIGJAM]

If there was no FA and we had an unlimited salary cap, I'd fall over myself signing the papers for a pick 13 trade.

 

[loki04]

If there was no FA and we had an unlimited salary cap, I'd fall over myself signing the papers for a pick 13 trade.

exactly he will be 28 and on his last contract yet Saints will come away with most likely a 250 game gun for losing him (unless they stuff up in the recruiting dep).

 

[themidlandmaster]

If Wellingham is worth 17, Goddard is easily worth pick 13

 

[loki04]

If Wellingham is worth 17, Goddard is easily worth pick 13

Wellingham is 24, Goddard is 27 turning 28.

Wonder who is going to give their club more service now and in the future, the one coming into his prime with a possible 7 - 8 years left or the one who is trending down and may have 4 left?

 

[StillWaiting5689]

If Goodard had of been traded I think Saints would easily get pick 13 and probably more so the compo is justified. We traded more than that for Jolly (granted ruckman usually have a higher value) and he will only give us 4 years service. Goddard has the ability to be one of the top players in the comp - St Kildas starting a rebuild is irrelevant.

What do you think would have been a fair compo pick.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I have no problem with it....I would be happy if Collingwood gave pick 13 away to the Saints for Goddard.

I mean we might get pick 20 for Dawes for Christ sake whilst some want pick #4

 

[tattooedswan]

Please, if we got pick 17 for Wellingham, Goddard is worth a lot more than pick 13.

 

[PieLebo87]

How is his age relevant? It is about his preceived value for the club he is being chased by. If your window is open, 28 is perfect, and pick 13 is more than adequate for a potential elite player of the comp. Not many players single-handedly almost win a Premiership for their team like he did. If you're a Melbourne, GWS or GC, obviously pick 13 is theft, but if he was the last piece of a puzzle for the Magpies, I'd take a 27-28 year old like him any day of the week. You trade for a very good player to win the next year's premiership, and the one after, not to be in with a chance over the next 5-7 years.

 

[Lockyer24]

Goddard's left leg alone is worth 13 if Dawes is worth 20

 

[the distributer]

So that would make cloke worth around pick 1 then, TBH i don't care what value the AFL places on FAs as long as they're consistent, they should IMO value the player on the size of the contract he signs, obviously age has to be considered as well.

 

[Old Spice]

Any FA by definition will always be wrong side of 20, but Goddard definitely worth 13.

The shitty thing with FA is getting a compo post natural draft pick. We would have got 19 for Cloke - actually pushed back to 20! by Goddard - despite him being in the top tier of compo. Goddard compo pick about right I think.

 

[PieLebo87]

So that would make cloke worth around pick 1 then, TBH i don't care what value the AFL places on FAs as long as they're consistent, they should IMO value the player on the size of the contract he signs, obviously age has to be considered as well.

Don't forget, Cloke is only a couple of years younger than Goddard, and being such a dominant KPF, he would definitely be a single digit draft pick compo. So Goddard at 13 is correct.

 

[Swooop]

Goddard hasn't appeared to have his heart in it for the past two years, so he'll likely be a lot better player at a new club with a fresh start.

I think pick 13 is fair overall.

 

[manicmagpie]

Don't forget, Cloke is only a couple of years younger than Goddard, and being such a dominant KPF, he would definitely be a single digit draft pick compo. So Goddard at 13 is correct.

If Cloke had gone via free agency, we would have almost certainly got the top tier compensation.

However the top tier is a first round selection immediately after your club's natural first round selection. Meaning that this year, Old Spice is right, we would have only got pick 19, and that would have been pushed back to 20 by Goddard's compo pick.

 

[PieLebo87]

What a joke.

 

[thecig]

Don't you get the choice of when to activate a compo pick?

Or was that only for GWS/GC compo?

 

[TheLastEmperor]

As a free agent you need to have 8 years service under your belt so the players are generally going to be at least 26, turning 27 in their first season at the new club. Goddard a year older, surely it's fair he is band 1 (also depending on his contract size)?

Now what about if St Kilda finished 18th this year and received pick 2 in compo for Goddard? Interesting scenario.

It just seems as if free agency has been rolled out too quickly, or at least without minimal thought. The highest free agency compo should be a mid first rounder, or a pick after the team who finishes 9th first pick (just look at the above scenario).

Then there is the issue of not finding out compo until 3/4 of the way through the trade period. Why can't St Kilda (for example) conclude their involvement in free agency meaning they won't be getting or trading anymore free agents and receive their Goddard compensation now? I reckon we fell out of the Caddy race partly due to not having our Goddard compo yet.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

If Cloke had gone via free agency, we would have almost certainly got the top tier compensation.

However the top tier is a first round selection immediately after your club's natural first round selection. Meaning that this year, Old Spice is right, we would have only got pick 19, and that would have been pushed back to 20 by Goddard's compo pick.

Yeah that's a joke. What if Melbourne lost someone like Colin Sylvia on a massive contract as a free agent. Melbourne could potentially receive pick 4 and you blokes would get pick 20 for Cloke.

 

[tazzawazza]

Wellingham is 24, Goddard is 27 turning 28.

Wonder who is going to give their club more service now and in the future, the one coming into his prime with a possible 7 - 8 years left or the one who is trending down and may have 4 left?

ALSO

Wellingham is yet to have a break out season and unleash his full potential. I reckon he will be able to do that at West Coast considering their midfield needs.

 

[tazzawazza]

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Is it just me or do St.Kilda make out like bandits with Goddards compo if the rumoured pick 13 is to be believed.

He is turning 28 next season and is coming off 2 poor seasons his value to St.Kilda is more with him leaving then staying in a rebuild.

Should clubs who lose older players be given such high picks for them when the player realistically didn't have a lot of years left anyway?

In my opinion I don't think clubs should receive compensation by losing players in the free agency. Free agency was introduced so all clubs are balanced equally in skill, so a compensation to the losing team does not really help.

 

[peter9789]

I'd like to put forward an alternative view on the FA compensation which flies in the face of what most people have posted here.

I think the current compensation is completely flawed, and I'm certain over time that the AFL will come to recognise this and adjust it appropriately. I think previous posts of the value of Dawes versus Goddard are completely irrelevant as one is leaving via a regulated market (trade), whilst the other (Godard) is leaving through the largely unregulated market. Market forces in both are entirely different and therefore trying to compare the "value" of each player is not realistic.

My gripe with the compensation is why is there "new for old" compensation. Why should the saints receive pick 13 for Goodard, who likely will only have 4 years left, and in return receive a potential 10 year player in return? Makes little sense given that Goddard has already given great service to the club.

In my view a fairer compensation is financial compensation by way of an increase in salary cap for the club impacted by the departing player, equivalent to what is the difference between what the player is being paid, over the period of the contract. For example if the Aints offer Goddard $600k, and Bumbers offer $800k for 4 years then the Aints get an additional $200k per year in salary cap relief.

This would enable the saints to either attract other free agents through extra cash being offered, or sign up and retain existing talent. Seems to me to be a fairer outcome and doesn't continually compromise the draft.

Thoughts?

 

[loki04]

I'd like to put forward an alternative view on the FA compensation which flies in the face of what most people have posted here.

I think the current compensation is completely flawed, and I'm certain over time that the AFL will come to recognise this and adjust it appropriately. I think previous posts of the value of Dawes versus Goddard are completely irrelevant as one is leaving via a regulated market (trade), whilst the other (Godard) is leaving through the largely unregulated market. Market forces in both are entirely different and therefore trying to compare the "value" of each player is not realistic.

My gripe with the compensation is why is there "new for old" compensation. Why should the saints receive pick 13 for Goodard, who likely will only have 4 years left, and in return receive a potential 10 year player in return? Makes little sense given that Goddard has already given great service to the club.

In my view a fairer compensation is financial compensation by way of an increase in salary cap for the club impacted by the departing player, equivalent to what is the difference between what the player is being paid, over the period of the contract. For example if the Aints offer Goddard $600k, and Bumbers offer $800k for 4 years then the Aints get an additional $200k per year in salary cap relief.

This would enable the saints to either attract other free agents through extra cash being offered, or sign up and retain existing talent. Seems to me to be a fairer outcome and doesn't continually compromise the draft.

Thoughts?

Spot on they are losing a player who has already given his club his best years and they will gain a quality 10 year player, meanwhile all other clubs after pick 13 get knocked back an extra slot. Big win to the saints imo.

Agree with your whole post not just bolded.