Fevola Vs Lloyd

[DapperDon]

cant drop u off today, u better walk to school.
the difference is when ur a part of asuccessful side u have more options and what that does is simply makes it more difficult for opposition defenders to double team ur best forward.
take for example having the luxury of playing lucas, bewick, mercuri and hird in the forward line 7 years earlier.
it means that ur not stupid enough to throw two or three defenders back leaving other great players all alone.
what that then does is forces the opposition team to play one on one with these guys and enables them to lead out and get alot more ball supply then what a miserable team like carlton has.
also note relevance lloyd is a girl who drinks girls drinks, is noted by opposition supporters as been a diver, again pretty embarrassing.
and last but not least, fevola is only the second player to ever achieve a coleman in a wooden spoon side, its not done alot hey?
thats the point.
u can all have a crack i couldnt care what a bunch of one eyed jerk off primary school sooks think, go cry ro ur teachers.

ok, I tried reading that 6 times I think i get the jist,

Fev is better because he is the only forward kicking your goals, Lloyd is crap because he had Bewick, Mecuri, and Lucas kicking goals too?
what a load of crap, having other avenues to goal would only restrict Lloyd output, not increase it. Are you the full quid?

Fev doesn't get as much of the ball as Lloyd so that makes him better?
If you have a look fev has had more shots on goal this year than Lloyd, yet isn't too far ahead goals scored.

All Essendon supporters are one-eyed jerks because a Collingwood supporter said Lloyd was a diver?
yet you're correct because you say Fev doesn't dive when infact he has dived a hell of a lot more this year than Lloyd has?

And last but not least

Fev is a better full forward because he won a Coleman from a bottom team?
Everytime you say this I think a little bit of your brain dies as a result for such stupidity,

being the only avenue to goal Fevola gets the ball kicked to him more than any other full forward in the competition, thus making him have more shots than anyone else in the competition. So for all the shots at goal Fev had last year he only managed to kick 82 goals, In Lloyd's prime he was averaging 80 goals, his best in H&A was 97. This year Fev is leading the Coleman again with 38 from 12 games, for him to beat Lloyds best H&A attempt he'll need to average 5 goals a game. good luck, because there is not a chance in hell of him doing this.

 

[Merv]

Are you the full quid?

I think you knew the answer to that question before you even asked it

 

[Fraz]

also note relevance lloyd is a girl who drinks girls drinks, is noted by opposition supporters as been a diver, again pretty embarrassing.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the debate. By that kind of argument I could say Fevola is noted as getting into brawls with a bartender while representing his country and cheating on his wife shortly after having his child. Pretty embarrassing eh?

DapperDon has basically covered what I wanted to say

 

[windyhill]

If Matthew Lloyds dad had played 21 more games he would have been a carlton player. If ex-blues chief ian collins in his role of the afl`s c.e.o had not changed the father son rule Matthew Lloyd would have been a carlton player.
No Matthew Lloyd at Essendon would have meant no 2000 and a much more healthier carlton, they would be more than likely ahead of us in the premiership count.
I will always love ex-carlton,ex afl head honcho Ian Collins.
Always.

 

[Jex]

If Matthew Lloyds dad had played 21 more games he would have been a carlton player. If ex-blues chief ian collins in his role of the afl`s c.e.o had not changed the father son rule Matthew Lloyd would have been a carlton player.
No Matthew Lloyd at Essendon would have meant no 2000 and a much more healthier carlton, they would be more than likely ahead of us in the premiership count.
I will always love ex-carlton,ex afl head honcho Ian Collins.
Always.

And Carlton supporters would still be here, but they'd be arguing Lloydy is the greatest.

 

[peter1979]

And Carlton supporters would still be here, but they'd be arguing Lloydy is the greatest.

greatest diver, lloyd would be known as a nobody if he had went to carlton and all u sooks that follow the bombers would be mocking him.
funny how things turn out the other way round.

 

[peter1979]

If Matthew Lloyds dad had played 21 more games he would have been a carlton player. If ex-blues chief ian collins in his role of the afl`s c.e.o had not changed the father son rule Matthew Lloyd would have been a carlton player.
No Matthew Lloyd at Essendon would have meant no 2000 and a much more healthier carlton, they would be more than likely ahead of us in the premiership count.
I will always love ex-carlton,ex afl head honcho Ian Collins.
Always.

would have given lucas more options to kick more thanhis 60 that season.
and um lloyd didnt win ur norm smith, hasnt won a brownlow, and again if he was at a carlton team that was 7 million dollars in debt, terrible training facilities, crap players that couldnt be traded to other clubs, then u say that judd would have made a difference to the hawks taking them to the last 2 grand finals instead of west coast.
its the same comparison, did carlton have better players than essendon, did they?
was whitnall better than lucas, were fletcher, franchina, dean rice and company better than mercuri, hird, barnes.
seem to remember in 1999 long and hird missed the entire season, yet u failed to make a grand final birth, yet the following year hird and long both make full recoveries and u win the flag.
so it appears that hird ur captain and greatest player over the last 30 years was the difference, he did after all win ur norm smith did he not.
i think that goes to the best player in the grand final.
anyway for a bloke who hasnt kicked more than 100 in a home and away season without the assistance of finals, well at carlton would have struggled to kick 50 let alone 70 to 80.
he never got that chance, but u all wanna believe so anyway we are on 16 apiece, u had ur chance to get to 17 and lost to brisbane.

 

[peter1979]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the debate. By that kind of argument I could say Fevola is noted as getting into brawls with a bartender while representing his country and cheating on his wife shortly after having his child. Pretty embarrassing eh?

DapperDon has basically covered what I wanted to say

what relevance does that have to the way he plays the game?
i mentioned the drinks, since hird brought it up, however u dont talk about ppls marriage, not unless ur perfect urself, are u judge of ppl, u all reap what u sow.
no matter what.
if u want to talk about his footy, thando so, but involving his personal life, i can raise a few embarrasing things about lloys junior days at aberfeldie.
two games he got smashed and needed a certain somebody to help him after getting wedged and dacked by the other teams full back.
its funny what a small world we do have after all.

 

[peter1979]

ur brain, u dont even have one, u have one on one defenders helping him out, that forces defenders to play one on one footy, so therefore he doesnt get double teamed.
ur a few fries short of a mchappy meal, u need to look passed this season and look at when lloyd was actually in a great side, had more ball delivery.
by the way donkey this season lloyd trails lucas as well, fev has been the man to triple team, as for the coleman in a bad side, can a moron such as urself ensure that lloyd could have done the exact same thing.
since he is a diver and most times this year has done so, typical essendon supporter to say fev dives, name 3 games he has done so.
since i have been to all melbourne games tell me when he dived, its lloyd and always has been.
lloyd has dived more this year than fev has in his whole career.
every body knows it.
by the way has lloyd kicked over 5 goals this season, seem to remember fev kicking more than him and lucas and the winning goal against u guys, tearing ur defence to shreds.

lloyd averages 3 a game, is 90 plus games in front, u seem to think not a chance in hell.
um fev hasnt played in nearly as many finals, yet once he does will bury lloyd alive.
considerin the supply lloyd has and given that fev will get that supply he will only need an average of 4 a game.
so get the math right, the teams improving and is young, once the ball gets down there, rival teams will be saying lloyd who, oh yeah thats right the under achieving diver.

 

[Fraz]

what relevance does that have to the way he plays the game?
i mentioned the drinks, since hird brought it up, however u dont talk about ppls marriage, not unless ur perfect urself, are u judge of ppl, u all reap what u sow.
no matter what.
if u want to talk about his footy, thando so, but involving his personal life, i can raise a few embarrasing things about lloys junior days at aberfeldie.
two games he got smashed and needed a certain somebody to help him after getting wedged and dacked by the other teams full back.
its funny what a small world we do have after all.

But see that's exactly my point - it doesn't have anything to do with how he plays footy. That's why I said "by that kind of argument". You brought up how Lloydy drinks Breezers (which by the way, I'm a girl and even I don't like that lolly water. Don't know how Lloydy can drink them!) when it doesn't have anything to do with how he plays, just like Fev's marriage break-up doesn't have anything to do with how he plays footy.
Athough I guess you could say that if you're stable off-field you're more likely to be stable on-field...but anyway, that's a completely different issue.

 

[peter1979]

But see that's exactly my point - it doesn't have anything to do with how he plays footy. That's why I said "by that kind of argument". You brought up how Lloydy drinks Breezers (which by the way, I'm a girl and even I don't like that lolly water. Don't know how Lloydy can drink them!) when it doesn't have anything to do with how he plays, just like Fev's marriage break-up doesn't have anything to do with how he plays footy.
Athough I guess you could say that if you're stable off-field you're more likely to be stable on-field...but anyway, that's a completely different issue.

well yeah, look im just stating that fev came to carlton at a bad time, lloyd went to essendon at a great time.
its really stupid to compare them, right now anyway and so u know i was hoping they would trade fev in 2002 and 2003.
i felt the guy deserved to go somewhere he could be play his best footy.
not be stuck in a hacked up miserable team like carlton, the club got what they deserved, i stick up for fev cause as a player he is worth it.
if the thread stated lucas versus whitnall i wouldnt be a dropkick and say whitnall, when i know for a fact he sucks nest to lucas.
if the thread stated hird versus kouta, again i know hird pummels him hands down.
but when ur shining light is doing what he can and we still suck, gee doesnt say much for the rest of the team.
anyway good to see lloyd bring up 800, at least he does it on home soil.

 

[douls]

These two have been compared alot in the past I know but now Lloyd has come off a big break do you think it will effect his goal kicking next season?

Who will be more effective for their respective clubs next season?

so 15 pages of arguments i thought i would quote the actual question.

Next season i would assume Fevola will be more effective than Lloyd. Lloyd is now past his prime (still good though) and Fev is getting better over the last few years. This is not to say Lloyd wont be effective. He'll always manage to slip back into the goal square for the easy handball and get a few goals each week. He's got the footy smarts and he'll never lose that. What he seems to have lost is his ability to tear a game apart and his accuracy consistency from long range shots, which is Fev's domain Either way, both teams will be happy they have one of them

 

[DapperDon]

so 15 pages of arguments i thought i would quote the actual question.

Next season i would assume Fevola will be more effective than Lloyd. Lloyd is now past his prime (still good though) and Fev is getting better over the last few years. This is not to say Lloyd wont be effective. He'll always manage to slip back into the goal square for the easy handball and get a few goals each week. He's got the footy smarts and he'll never lose that. What he seems to have lost is his ability to tear a game apart and his accuracy consistency from long range shots, which is Fev's domain Either way, both teams will be happy they have one of them

Can't argue with this, I keeping faith that Lloyd has a few bags to go just yet, but Fev has taken the mantle for best FF in the comp for sure. The was he tore us apart earlier in the year was awesome to watch, well sorta.....

 

[douls]

Can't argue with this, I keeping faith that Lloyd has a few bags to go just yet, but Fev has taken the mantle for best FF in the comp for sure. The was he tore us apart earlier in the year was awesome to watch, well sorta.....

For sure he'll have a few bags to come, no doubt about it. Your lucky to have a bloke who can not be anywhere near his best but can bag 2-3 each week. You're right about Fev and that round 3 clash. It was awesome, especially as they came from marks not free kicks and he nailed some huge goals outside 50. You always sit back and admire bloke who can do that. I'm sure there have been many times people have watched Lloyd with amazement as he never seemed to ever miss. Ya hate 'em, but you know they are great to watch

 

[peter1979]

Pete, may i ask you a question? Why do you always quote your own post? you realise there is a edit funciton right next to the quote button.

to be honest i was being a typical ********, my cousin and i just been typical shitstirers.
Cant be bothered using the edit function button, not when certain ppl get stupid and have wise cracks that are useless and messed up.
if im coming across like a clown then thats their opinion, in case u all havent noticed i couldnt care less what u think.
And further more, i have tried being reasonable at times, though u cant help urselves.
if its about fevola versus lloyd, then at the moment lloyd has done more, however if fevola maintains his form, then it will be extremely close.
A better comparison might be barry hall versus lloyd, both have played over 200 respectable games each.
or again fraser gehrig versus lloyd, both again have 200 plus games, both are dual coleman medallists.
but its gotta be fev because its a matter of essendon hating carlton and gotta kick a bloke the minute he stars.