First round pick for Bock?

[Geoffa32]

AFL have told the club we are to get a "Band 3" pick for compensation.

Which is at the end of round one, so pick 17, 18 or 19 depending on when pick taken (year) and other clubs compensation ie Ablett.


FWIW Port get a Band 4 selection, or end of round 2 pick.

Source AA, and Rowie did his best to confuse the situation, saying it is about pick 34 if taken this year.

Does not seem too bad.

 

[swanton]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/101814/default.aspx


ADELAIDE will receive a first-round draft pick for defected defender Nathan Bock while its cross-town rivals Port Adelaide will be compensated with a second-round selection for Nathan Krakouer.

The two South Australian clubs have been notified of their compensation for their players, who both announced their contracts with the Gold Coast Suns this week.

The Crows will receive a “third-band” selection, which is at the end of round one in any of the 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 or 2014 NAB AFL Drafts.

 

[jo172]

AFL have told the club we are to get a "Band 3" pick for compensation.

Which is at the end of round one, so pick 17, 18 or 19 depending on when pick taken (year) and other clubs compensation ie Ablett.


FWIW Port get a Band 4 selection, or end of round 2 pick.

Source AA, and Rowie did his best to confuse the situation, saying it is about pick 34 if taken this year.

Does not seem too bad.

What formula only puts Bock one step ahead of Krakouer?

 

[The Karma Bus]

Draft picks 2010

1 Gold Coast
2 Gold Coast
3 Gold Coast
4 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
5 Gold Coast
6 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
7 Gold Coast
8 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
9 Gold Coast
10 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
11 Gold Coast
12 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
13 Gold Coast
14 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
15 Gold Coast
16 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
17 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
18 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
19 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
20 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
21 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
22 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
23 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
24 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

If we use the pick once Western Sydney's entry is out the way, i gather end of 1st round will mean it will be pick 19? After everyone elses 1st pick..

Using it this year might mean pick 26?

How laughable..

 

[Geoffa32]

What formula only puts Bock one step ahead of Krakouer?

 

[Vader]

Very disappointing. We were expecting Band 2, which would have been a round 1 selection taken immediately after normal selection.

 

[Elite Crow]

Draft picks 2010

25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

If we use the pick once Western Sydney's entry is out the way, i gather end of 1st round will mean it will be pick 19? After everyone elses 1st pick..

Using it this year might mean pick 26?

If we use it this year yes its pick 26 assuming no other club ranked below us this year uses one. If thats the case I would use it this year. Because the only way we will get pick 19 in 2012 is if we are the bottom ranked team using the compensation pick that year. It could quite possibly be an early 20s pick assuming we have a decent year.

Use it this year and we get two year development, plus given the outs we need the players!

 

[Elite Crow]

Very disappointing. We were expecting Band 2, which would have been a round 1 selection taken immediately after normal selection.

Given the reported size of his contract, it should have been Band 2.

 

[Malibu#27]

The formula is a friggin joke.

If my calculations are right, you get around pick 26 or so for Bock (end of first round) and we get around pick 35 (second rounder - immediately after our second round pick).

The AFL rules seem to have a band 3 selection as: "End of Round One Selection"
and a band 4 as "Round Two Selection" - the absence of the words "end of" at the start of the text for band 4 suggests our pick isn't at the end of round 2, but at some other point in round 2 - I can only assume its after our pick.

EDIT: yep, the round 2 selection comes immediately after our selection:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/96815/default.aspx

A club may elect to use its compensation selection(s) at its choice at any of the next five national drafts and its compensation pick in a round would come immediately after its pick in that year’s draft, with the exception of any Round One picks

If "all clubs" lost a player to GC and to "GWS" it wouldn't be as bad as the pain would be shared, if GC only pick 8, and GWS do similar, its possible we could both lose two players for nothing, and other clubs would get through untouched - if that occurs then we are going to be hurt more.

 

[srv23]

Interesting - a band 3 pick for a previous AA CHB and B and F winner on something like 600k per year at the GC.
Band 4 for a guy who's not even a definite first 22 player at his current club.

 

[Pinepower]

A man after my own heart

Nothing like pure Mathematics

 

[AngelEyes]

Given the reported size of his contract, it should have been Band 2.

The reports varied greatly. The Adelaide Advertiser reported figures that were about 150k-250k more than it's News Ltd sister papers around the country i.e. the Herald Sun, Daily Telegraph etc. Its also worth noting that the Herald Sun picked up the story a day prior to the Adelaide Advertiser. I'm not saying the Herald Sun is right but based on the fact they picked up the story before the Adelaide Advertiser, its possible they may have more "inside" information despite not being Adelaide based. Bock's manager is also Melbourne based isn't he?

I wouldn't take wages in the paper as being gospel and especially the Adelaide Advertiser seeing it's suggestions about Bock's wages varied significantly with it's own sister papers and the Fairfax press too. They have their own reason for doing that but I don't intend to get into that. I think a pick at the end of the first round is probably fair. However, Port got a good deal. For example, Adelaide's selection is at the end of the first round while Port's is following their selection in the second round. So if Port finish bottom, then their selection could be a measly two selections after the Bock one.

 

[Dandy_GO]

The AFL have consistently been awfully vague on the specifics of their formula, changed it completely at least once, and have said that there's a clause where they can ignore it if they see fit. The formula is completely meaningless and they'll give clubs the absolute minimum they feel they can get away with. I could not see us accepting pick 19 for Bock under normal circumstances, yet I imagine we'll take this without a yelp.

 

[The Karma Bus]

So if the crows wait off a couple of years, it may be pick 19.. Use it this year and it'll be pick 26..

If the power come say 10th spot in a couple of years and use their pick received for Krak, they'll get pick 9 as they should, then pick 28 (if we use pick 19 on Bock) as they should and then pick 29 would be the pick for Krak.. Because the Krak pick follows their 2nd round pick number, it's not at the end of the 2nd round..

So the pick for Krak can vary depending on how well port go, but Adelaide's is fixed no matter what..
That's robbery if ever i've seen it, Bock=19, Krak=29 in a situation like that..

If say port come 15th, Krak=pick 24..

 

[knobby]

Quote from afl.com.au

Adelaide's selection can be made at the end of round one immediately after the pick of the premiership team of that season, while Port Adelaide's selection will come after the pick it earns in that year's draft.

In the case of two or more clubs activating their picks in the same draft, the club that is placed lower on the ladder will go first. Best result for Adelaide pick 19 (at this stage) Best result for Port Adelaide would be pick 20 (that would be a long shot) more likely mid-late 20's

If either the Crows or the Power wish to use their compensation picks in this year’s draft, they must notify the AFL by November 5.

Both clubs also have the ability to on-trade their selections as part of the League’s trade period a week after the grand final.

If they trade the pick, it can be used by the club that receives it in any of the next five drafts.

The AFL has also confirmed the Suns cannot automatically select another uncontracted player from either the Crows or Power as part of their list establishment rules.

However, the Suns are allowed to select any player who is delisted by an AFL club, meaning they can still recruit unwanted Crows or Power players if they enter the upcoming drafts.

They can also trade with any club to add a player to their list, even if they have already recruited one from that club via the establishment rules.

 

[Cap]

I say store it until it the draft normalises.

If it makes Craig Happy give him a 3 year extension so he gets to use it.

 

[knobby]

Can the clubs appeal the rating ?

 

[Big Sledge #32]

Very disappointing. We were expecting Band 2, which would have been a round 1 selection taken immediately after normal selection.

I agree I was expecting band 2 which I feel would have been the fairest form of compensation. The fact that Krakouer is only one band behind him is a joke.

Just wait until they do something stupid and class Campell Brown as a Band 2, then I'll be furious!

 

[aneale]

more importantly does this store our pick as the 'first' of the first after the end of round 1. If Brown goes to GC and gets rated the same, surely both Clubs then don't get the first selection after the Premiership team now do they? or do the AFL then try and barter between both to get them to use their picks in separate drafts.

You could end up with a farcical situation whereby 4 Clubs are wanting to use the same pick in the same draft and arguing about who goes first unless its on a 'first signature goes first' situation.

 

[knobby]

more importantly does this store our pick as the 'first' of the first after the end of round 1. If Brown goes to GC and gets rated the same, surely both Clubs then don't get the first selection after the Premiership team now do they? or do the AFL then try and barter between both to get them to use their picks in separate drafts.

You could end up with a farcical situation whereby 4 Clubs are wanting to use the same pick in the same draft and arguing about who goes first unless its on a 'first signature goes first' situation.

Which ever team finishes lower on the ladder the previous year would get the "first after round 1" pick, so if it were this year Adelaide would get 26, Hawthorn 27

 

[Big Sledge #32]

Good point Aneale, it should work like that but I have a feeling the AFL will work it from ladder position or the team which nominates to use it first.

 

[conVINCEd]

I was previously leaning toward saving the pick, but given it's now only an end of R1 selection I reckon we should bite the bullet and use it.

Hopefully not many other clubs use their compensation picks this year and we get one in the late 20s.

Let Rendell have a shot and let's start developing the kid.

I was still trying to lower the blood pressure after hearing of Griffen re-signing with the Dogs and then this news comes through.

Chris Knights - please stay!

 

[WALL-e]

Band 3? Suck my **** Demetriou.

Best case scenario in any draft is 19.....

Seeing as we'll have a fair few spots on our list to fill this year, I think we take it this year. Only 7 spots drop off and $1 today is worth more than $1 in two years. Would be able to snag a Prestia or Jacobs at 26.

 

[crowugoodthing]

So if we leave the pick for future years at best it would be pick 19. If we use it this year possibly it will be pick 26.... not much difference might as well use it now and get the kid into our system!

 

[King Elvis]

We need to blow up about this, if we're getting screwed, **** the AFL, they always do this to us.