First test of the aussie summer

[corbies]

A summer of cricket ending in early January is horribly disappointing.

Clear air for the BBL. It's what the summer cricket fan wants. Having the international players playing in it is going to see the crowds explode. Despite the fact crowds who go watch Australia play other high quality international players are not great.

 

[cricketnut14]

It is although sometimes the ODI series at the end of the summer gets lost a bit once we hit February.

any odi's outside the world cup get lost anywhere to be honest.

it's hard to structure an international summer keeping in mind the other 11 test nations international season etc as well.

most countries used to work around the english and aussie summers , but these days to a lesser extent.

would be much easier just to have the 2 touring teams coming for the tests to play the white ball component of the summer. i quite like the idea of having a test series, a tri series and then the other side playing tests. that way you could rest players after the first test series in need. then you could leave the 20/20 stuff at a dometic level (other than a world cup).

all pie in the sky stuff and never gonna happen in the foreseeable future.

 

[eth-dog]

I think Australia should be having all the test nations here over a 4/5 year period

 

[ioppolo]

If money wasn't a factor, a tri series with the Windies and South Africa would've been nice.
Decent chunk of South Africans live here too.

 

[cricketnut14]

I think Australia should be having all the test nations here over a 4/5 year period

how do you propose that ?

you could do it over 6 summers, but then the ICC wouldn't want the likes of india and england touring every 6 years.

actually most of the BF posters wouldn't like it either.

i'm all for everyone playing each other as even as possible, afterall each game/series have the same weighting in points etc.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It is although sometimes the ODI series at the end of the summer gets lost a bit once we hit February.

Any ODI series bar the WC gets lost, they mean very little.

 

[eth-dog]

how do you propose that ?

you could do it over 6 summers, but then the ICC wouldn't want the likes of india and england touring every 6 years.

actually most of the BF posters wouldn't like it either.

i'm all for everyone playing each other as even as possible, afterall each game/series have the same weighting in points etc.

You'd have to do the Top End series again for 3 out of 4 years.

5 test series: England
4 test series: India, South Africa, New Zealand
3 test series: West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
2 test series: Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan

Year 1: Bangladesh (top end), Ireland, England
Year 2: Zimbabwe (top end), India, Sri Lanka
Year 3: (no top end), South Africa, West Indies
Year 4: Afghanistan, New Zealand, Pakistan.

You rotate the 2 test series every cycle. So every 4 cycles everyone gets 2 main grounds

 

[cricketnut14]

You'd have to do the Top End series again for 3 out of 4 years.

5 test series: England
4 test series: India, South Africa, New Zealand
3 test series: West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
2 test series: Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan

Year 1: Bangladesh (top end), Ireland, England
Year 2: Zimbabwe (top end), India, Sri Lanka
Year 3: (no top end), South Africa, West Indies
Year 4: Afghanistan, New Zealand, Pakistan.

You rotate the 2 test series every cycle. So every 4 cycles everyone gets 2 main grounds

thats 34 home tests in 4 years - not happening

you've got us hosting 9, 9,7 & 9 test summers

thats 34 home tests in 4 years - not happening and unrealistic in today's climate with the 20/20 landscape


hows this

year 1: nz (3) wi (3)
year 2: sa (3) sl (3)
year 3: pak (3) bang (3)
year 4: afg (2) ire (2) zim (2)
year 5: ind (4/5) associate (1)?
year 6: eng (5)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

thats 34 home tests in 4 years - not happening

you've got us hosting 9, 9,7 & 9 test summers

thats 34 home tests in 4 years - not happening and unrealistic in today's climate with the 20/20 landscape


hows this

year 1: nz (3) wi (3)
year 2: sa (3) sl (3)
year 3: pak (3) bang (3)
year 4: afg (2) ire (2) zim (2)
year 5: ind (4/5) associate (1)
year 6: eng (5)

Year 3 looks dreadful! We better not draw Bangers in Melbourne or Sydney! Just have a top end tour and just play these associate teams there

 

[eth-dog]

thats 34 home tests in 4 years - not happening

you've got us hosting 9, 9,7 & 9 test summers

thats 34 home tests in 4 years - not happening and unrealistic in today's climate with the 20/20 landscape


hows this

year 1: nz (3) wi (3)
year 2: sa (3) sl (3)
year 3: pak (3) bang (3)
year 4: afg (2) ire (2) zim (2)
year 5: ind (4/5) associate (1)?
year 6: eng (5)

England host 2 or 3 countries every summer. India the same.

Also the top end series is typically over the winter months, usually July/August

 

[cricketnut14]

England host 2 or 3 countries every summer. India the same.

Also the top end series is typically over the winter months, usually July/August

england have 6 or 7 home tests every summer which incorporates 2 visiting nations - unless you can tell me otherwise.

same goes for india other than an indifferent 2016/17 season , but then followed 3 lean summers of test cricket.

 

[eth-dog]

england have 6 or 7 home tests every summer which incorporates 2 visiting nations - unless you can tell me otherwise.

same goes for india other than an indifferent 2016/17 season , but then followed 3 lean summers of test cricket.

Yes. 6 or 7 every summer. Which is what I'm proposing, plus a 2 test series over July/August.

 

[cricketnut14]

Yes. 6 or 7 every summer. Which is what I'm proposing, plus a 2 test series over July/August.

fair enough.

test cricket in australia gets overlooked at that time of year, and in any case its disrespecting some of the smaller nations.

but i get your idea.

 

[eth-dog]

fair enough.

test cricket in australia gets overlooked at that time of year, and in any case its disrespecting some of the smaller nations.

but i get your idea.

Is it more disrespectful for them to not play here at all? I think so. When was the last test series either Zimbabwe or Bangladesh played here?

 

[cricketnut14]

Is it more disrespectful for them to not play here at all? I think so. When was the last test series either Zimbabwe or Bangladesh played here?

when cameron green was 4 years old

 

[Del125763]

There could be a cogent argument that the selectors are making a mistake in that they aren't selecting a team for renewal and generational change. The future is important.

I've looked at recent season averages. Dave Warner has been an abject failure at Test level with something like an average of 22 and 30 for the past two calendar years in Tests.

Any other new player, would have been dropped with an appalling average like this. At age 37 Warner isn't going to get any better as a Test batter. He should have been dropped from the Test team.

This is despite Usman being reselected at the same age, and having had an incredible Test calendar year.

We've made this mistake before. In the mid 80s Lillee, Marsh and Greg Chappell, retired close to each other, which depleted the team.

I'm also concerned about Boland being selected at about age 31. He was outbowled in the recent Shield game by all Tassie pace bowlers, experienced Test bowlers, Siddle and Bird, and express bowler, Riley Meredith, possibly Aussie's quickest. Even Tassie all rounder, Beau Webster, looked at least as threatening as Boland as a pace bowler.

Last year at this stage, Jhye Richardson bowled at Bellerive for WA in the Shield and looked outstanding. He looked like a quality Test bowler. Every time Jhye had the ball in his hand he looked threatening.

The likes of Richardson and Meredith, both about age 25, need to be playing more Tests – now. We could have a recurring scenario where the three pace greats, Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc, might retire at the same time, old age sets in or they are injured.

Even though I'm not sure Swepson is the answer, we need more younger spin options too. Lyon can't carry the spin department forever.

Also, Peter Handscomb, has had very good recent FC form, but has been overlooked. I'm not sure he is good enough for Test cricket? Importantly, he has recent FC performances on the board. He deserves another go.

Conversely, Matt Renshaw, looked like a class Test opener in his short Test tenure, but he has struggled in FC cricket since that embryonic Test stint.

Head appears to be currently our of form. He did little in Pakistan or Sri Lanka in those Test series, despite having a good home Test domestic series last season.

 

[Westend]

There could be a cogent argument that the selectors are making a mistake in that they aren't selecting a team for renewal and generational change. The future is important.

I've looked at recent season averages. Dave Warner has been an abject failure at Test level with something like an average of 22 and 30 for the past two calendar years in Tests.

Any other new player, would have been dropped with an appalling average like this. At age 37 Warner isn't going to get any better as a Test batter. He should have been dropped from the Test team.

This is despite Usman being reselected at the same age, and having had an incredible Test calendar year.

We've made this mistake before. In the mid 80s Lillee, Marsh and Greg Chappell, retired close to each other, which depleted the team.

I'm also concerned about Boland being selected at about age 31. He was outbowled in the recent Shield game by all Tassie pace bowlers, experienced Test bowlers, Siddle and Bird, and express bowler, Riley Meredith, possibly Aussie's quickest. Even Tassie all rounder, Beau Webster, looked at least as threatening as Boland as a pace bowler.

Last year at this stage, Jhye Richardson bowled at Bellerive for WA in the Shield and looked outstanding. He looked like a quality Test bowler. Every time Jhye had the ball in his hand he looked threatening.

The likes of Richardson and Meredith, both about age 25, need to be playing more Tests – now. We could have a recurring scenario where the three pace greats, Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc, might retire at the same time, old age sets in or they are injured.

Even though I'm not sure Swepson is the answer, we need more younger spin options too. Lyon can't carry the spin department forever.

Also, Peter Handscomb, has had very good recent FC form, but has been overlooked. I'm not sure he is good enough for Test cricket? Importantly, he has recent FC performances on the board. He deserves another go.

Conversely, Matt Renshaw, looked like a class Test opener in his short Test tenure, but he has struggled in FC cricket since that embryonic Test stint.

Head appears to be currently our of form. He did little in Pakistan or Sri Lanka in those Test series, despite having a good home Test domestic series last season.

Good Post NYRB I understand where you are coming from and I do believe we need to look to the future.

In regards to Jhye currently being managed atm as he has a sore heel missing this weeks shields game. They stated he should be right for the NSW game next week...I believe they are looking at the Aus A game V South Africa for Jhye to play.....looking at the backend of the summer to get him right if needed for the tests.

I thought it was strange that both Hazelwood and Starc where picked for next weeks ODI...I thought it would of been a great opportunity for both to go back to shield cricket and prepare for the first test. Lots of cricket coming up and I cannot see how all three Cummins Starc Cummins can play these ODI 2 tests against WI and then 3 against South Africa...reckon they are going to be cooked come the backend of the summer. I would of rewarded both Neser and Dorff on good Marsh/cup form and played them this ODI series.

Boland is going okay and is a good backup I would prefer him on the slower lower decks of Melb and SCG ...even though the G has been juiced up a bit...due to Boland line and length But I do believe Aus will ask for batting decks come the MCG and SCG tests due to the South Africans bowling attack...but that's another story.

Warner as I have stated in previous threads should be given this summer as a test swansong....and to concentrate on white ball cricket only

On another note I have noticed is the conservatism of Ronnie and Cummins and the way Australia plays its cricket it will be interesting to see this summer if we play a attacking style of cricket.

 

[Westend]

Spin is a concern Lyon cannot go on forever

Swepson has not kicked on .....

Agar for India yes..we need a left armer

Nice to see Murphy for the PM game....and Rocchocholli going okay for WA would like to see Sangha improve at NSW

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Room for two: Hardie eager for higher honours | cricket.com.au

Despite being behind Cameron Green in the Test allrounder pecking order, Aaron Hardie says there's...

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Nice article on Aaron Hardie here.

Would imagine he's a straight swap for Green if he gets injured.

For Hardie to be selected (without a Green injury) though he needs to

a) Become a top 4 bowler (highly unlikely)
b) Become a top 6 batsman (possible)
c) Be a better all rounder than Cam Green (unlikely, but possible)

 

[Westend]

Room for two: Hardie eager for higher honours | cricket.com.au

Despite being behind Cameron Green in the Test allrounder pecking order, Aaron Hardie says there's...

www.cricket.com.au

Nice article on Aaron Hardie here.

Would imagine he's a straight swap for Green if he gets injured.

For Hardie to be selected (without a Green injury) though he needs to

a) Become a top 4 bowler (highly unlikely)
b) Become a top 6 batsman (possible)
c) Be a better all rounder than Cam Green (unlikely, but possible)

Hardie reminds me more of a S Waugh type batter who bowls.....(Steve was good though in his early days bowling)

Greenie.....Kallis

 

[cricketnut14]

1st class batting averages with 10+ FC games (before the start of the shield season)

56 smith
53 hardie
52 pucovski
49 green
47 warner
46 labuschagne
45 khawaja
41 wade, s.marsh
40 head, maxwell

39 harris, maddinson
38 burns, bancroft, patterson, hunt
37 handscomb, street, d.hughes, whiteman
36 renshaw, finch, henriques
35 cartwright, pierson, weatherald, lehmann

34 carey, mcdermott, m.short
33 stoinis, turner
32 m.marsh, philippe, silk
31 webster
30 paine

thought i'd do the bowlers:

21 j.richardson
22 paris
23 cummins
24 neser, behrendorf, tremain
25 hazlewood, boland, bird
26 steketee
27 starc, hardie, siddle, morris, dwarshius
28 sutherland
29 bartlett

31 green, m.marsh, sandhu, henriques, doggett
33 abbott, meredith, cartwright
34 lyon, k.richardson, perry
35 swepson, w.agar, mcandrew

41 a.agar, maxwell, stoinis
43 turner
44 webster
48 zampa
50 boyce

 

[toml]

Steketee has been incredible in the shield since the beginning of last season (and very solid for a number of years prior to that). 54 wickets at around 16 in 9.5 matches is outrageous

 

[big_e]

Steketee has been incredible in the shield since the beginning of last season (and very solid for a number of years prior to that). 54 wickets at around 16 in 9.5 matches is outrageous

Chadd Sayers numbers, those.

 

[Redline]

You'd have to do the Top End series again for 3 out of 4 years.

5 test series: England
4 test series: India, South Africa, New Zealand
3 test series: West Indies, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
2 test series: Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland, Afghanistan

Year 1: Bangladesh (top end), Ireland, England
Year 2: Zimbabwe (top end), India, Sri Lanka
Year 3: (no top end), South Africa, West Indies
Year 4: Afghanistan, New Zealand, Pakistan.

You rotate the 2 test series every cycle. So every 4 cycles everyone gets 2 main grounds

I don't mind that.I think we need to increase the Cricket season. Start the Sheild in the top end August and play through to April.

Not happening though, our guys get fatigued after a few t20's.

 

[InTheWings]

The only thing Harris is, is a proven failure time and time again at the top level. I never said KR was a minefield, it's better than JO though. Renshaw should have been the one anyway.

Harris reminds me of one of those AFL players who dominates at WAFL, SANFL, VFL level but bombs out at AFL level. Consistently too good for the second tier but not consistently good enough at the top tier.