foj1 2008 draft with explanantions

[swannies]

Great read, as usual foj. A great effort doing the detail and reasoning of your choices.

 

[Snoop Dog]

well done bud - first this year so to be applauded. its a great read as usual. well done on the hayes selection - he and buckley played down there this year and were v impressive.

 

[SteveRFC]

Hartlett will not drop to 10

 

[HBF]

Hartlett will not drop to 10

He may not, but foj knows his stuff. As I have said many times, someone has to fall, as experience says clubs will reach for quality talls.

 

[Brahma Bull]

Hartlett will not drop to 10

The South Australian curse might take its toll this year with Hartlett.

In 2005- Shannon Hurn was rated as a top 7 draft pick, fell to 13.
In 2006- James Sellar was rated as a top 8 draft pick, fell to 14.
In 2007- Brad Ebert was rated as a top 10 draft pick, thought to never get past Adelaide at pick 10, fell to pick 13

Hartlett might be next

 

[Trav 20]

You had Stanton getting drafted last year as a bottom ager, but can't find a spot for him this year ?

He's a little raw, but very athletic with an AFL build and plenty of upside.

It will be interesting to see if he's drafted.

 

[Future Star]

Good effort Foj1. Im hoping that Melbourne would take a ruckman at 51 though because our rucks are almost as bad as our forwards. Also 19 is probably a bit high for strauss, but he will be good and selected early.

 

[foj1]

You had Stanton getting drafted last year as a bottom ager, but can't find a spot for him this year ?

He's a little raw, but very athletic with an AFL build and plenty of upside.

It will be interesting to see if he's drafted.

I saw Luke play about 8 times this year and he has improved his kicking a little and is positioning himself a bit better on the footy field. However with GC coming in, I probably put a few more 17 year olds in the draft and reasoned that each club have 8 rookie selections which would be definately a go for him.
Hamish Hartlett could go as high as five for mine. I just think Mckernan, Ziebell, Trengove and Yarran have a bit more AFL candy to them- mind you being drafted at 10 would still be an outstanding achievement for anyone!
I expected more grief over the Mckernan selection and I thought Rockliff and Zaharakis being placed so low would ire the masses. Still its only early!
I guess the last thing to remember is when doing a phantom draft I try and predict what clubs will do not necessarily how I personally rate each footballer as my opinions even on the top ten vary quite significantly.

 

[telsor]

Had a thought last night after reading this when thinking about Richmond getting Trengove & Rocky sliding...

Imagine if you will, Trengove crashing packs up forward with Rocky there to crumb the spoils...

 

[Palmer Stoat]

That's good work. foj1. I always read your stuff, because you obviously have seen a lot of U18 football (as distinct from just regurgitating everyone else's phantom draft).

From a Collingwood point of view, a best-fit policy would see us target clearance-winning mids. Good midfields can expose us at stoppages, and with Burns retiring and O'Bree ageing, we're pretty thin there. So, if they were available, I'd expect us to look very closely at the nuggety inside types like Sidebottom and Suban.

(Of course, who knows how the cards would fall if we followed a strict best-available strategy.)

 

[LemmingMaster]

There are a couple of phantom drafts I've been waiting for, this is one of them. It is a very good read, as with my phantom draft coming up there will be a bias.

I know there have to be sliders and there is no doubt that some eastern states picks will slide in my draft; Blight, Pearce and Banfields slide down the draft is my main point of conjecture.

It was a very good read with regards to player descriptions.

Congrats on the effort, after attempting my first mock draft in the last couple of weeks, I completely understand the effort and how hard it is.

 

[ohhhBigMalcho]

nice work..

its somewhat irrelevant but does anyone know if there is a thread that tells you every single draft camp players results???

 

[Cruiser23]

Good effort Foj1. Im hoping that Melbourne would take a ruckman at 51 though because our rucks are almost as bad as our forwards. Also 19 is probably a bit high for strauss, but he will be good and selected early.

Disagree about Strauss, 19 is about right for him and i agree with foj1. The guy just does everything right, he doesn't have many problems to his game and his kicking on both sides is one of the best in the draft IMO. Very under-rated around here, doesn't get enough credit for his talent, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he went top 20.

I saw Luke play about 8 times this year and he has improved his kicking a little and is positioning himself a bit better on the footy field. However with GC coming in, I probably put a few more 17 year olds in the draft and reasoned that each club have 8 rookie selections which would be definately a go for him.
Hamish Hartlett could go as high as five for mine. I just think Mckernan, Ziebell, Trengove and Yarran have a bit more AFL candy to them- mind you being drafted at 10 would still be an outstanding achievement for anyone!
I expected more grief over the Mckernan selection and I thought Rockliff and Zaharakis being placed so low would ire the masses. Still its only early!
I guess the last thing to remember is when doing a phantom draft I try and predict what clubs will do not necessarily how I personally rate each footballer as my opinions even on the top ten vary quite significantly.

I've got no problem with Rockliff that low, infact, right now i have him going at the exact same position. Also agree with your assessment of him, very much have a few issues that could see him struggle at AFL.

Got two questions, one, for McKernan at 5, if you were making the choice for the Bombers in November, would you be doing the same thing? Or is it a pick that you see the Bombers recruiting staff selecting?

Two, Jordan Lisle at 27, have no doubt that the Roos would be very interested in Jordan but personally got him fairly high up at the moment, first round infact. What issues to do see with his game? or is it more you don't see his output at AFL level will warrant a higher selection?

Great read though foj1, definitely the best so far.

 

[Bestbird]

Great effort

Would be stoked to see West coast get Natanuii, Walters and Swift with their first three draft picks.

 

[Dave The Man]

That's good work. foj1. I always read your stuff, because you obviously have seen a lot of U18 football (as distinct from just regurgitating everyone else's phantom draft).

From a Collingwood point of view, a best-fit policy would see us target clearance-winning mids. Good midfields can expose us at stoppages, and with Burns retiring and O'Bree ageing, we're pretty thin there. So, if they were available, I'd expect us to look very closely at the nuggety inside types like Sidebottom and Suban.

(Of course, who knows how the cards would fall if we followed a strict best-available strategy.)

Agreed - We have a Lack of Ball Winners and If they had a Choice with Blease and Sidebottom. I think we go Sidebottom because of his Ball Winning and Pies love Big Game players and Kicking 10 Goals in a GF is enough there.

That is my 2 cents with that

 

[Bubba_5]

Best phantom I have seen so far, and good explanations! This year everyone but you is making lists, not phantoms. All the supporters are happy, which is usually a sign of a well thought out mock. Totally agree with you on Strauss, he is one of my favourites.

 

[Mop]

Top work, mate.
You certainly put your time into this one.

 

[foj1]

That's good work. foj1. I always read your stuff, because you obviously have seen a lot of U18 football (as distinct from just regurgitating everyone else's phantom draft).

From a Collingwood point of view, a best-fit policy would see us target clearance-winning mids. Good midfields can expose us at stoppages, and with Burns retiring and O'Bree ageing, we're pretty thin there. So, if they were available, I'd expect us to look very closely at the nuggety inside types like Sidebottom and Suban.

(Of course, who knows how the cards would fall if we followed a strict best-available strategy.)

There is a pretty big rumour going around that Collingwood are red hot for Blease which certainly influenced me- ironically the other club that is really linked to him is Brisbane so the pies might not get a chance at him anyway. I contemplated Suban for your second round selection but I really think Ashley Smith has a tonne of upside, serious speed and is a beautiful kick. The nuggety insiders are important but also quite abundant. For example Andrew Horne did a preseason at Collingwood a couple of years ago and has been very good in the VFL and Tom German was as good as anyone in that role last year in the TAC. I think the rookie list will be used for any players who have even a hint of vanilla in them as GC is really looming over the draft.

 

[foj1]

Disagree about Strauss, 19 is about right for him and i agree with foj1. The guy just does everything right, he doesn't have many problems to his game and his kicking on both sides is one of the best in the draft IMO. Very under-rated around here, doesn't get enough credit for his talent, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he went top 20.



I've got no problem with Rockliff that low, infact, right now i have him going at the exact same position. Also agree with your assessment of him, very much have a few issues that could see him struggle at AFL.

Got two questions, one, for McKernan at 5, if you were making the choice for the Bombers in November, would you be doing the same thing? Or is it a pick that you see the Bombers recruiting staff selecting?

Two, Jordan Lisle at 27, have no doubt that the Roos would be very interested in Jordan but personally got him fairly high up at the moment, first round infact. What issues to do see with his game? or is it more you don't see his output at AFL level will warrant a higher selection?

Great read though foj1, definitely the best so far.

Firstly, Mckernan would be in my top couple of choices for pick 5. He is an outstanding athlete and I think he has a lot more development in him- people tend to forget he was All australian this year. I like Jordan Lisle and I think he will be a very solid AFL player however I see him predominantly as a backman and they traditionally dont go quite so high in the draft.

 

[Brahma Bull]

There is a pretty big rumour going around that Collingwood are red hot for Blease which certainly influenced me- ironically the other club that is really linked to him is Brisbane so the pies might not get a chance at him anyway. I contemplated Suban for your second round selection but I really think Ashley Smith has a tonne of upside, serious speed and is a beautiful kick. The nuggety insiders are important but also quite abundant. For example Andrew Horne did a preseason at Collingwood a couple of years ago and has been very good in the VFL and Tom German was as good as anyone in that role last year in the TAC. I think the rookie list will be used for any players who have even a hint of vanilla in them as GC is really looming over the draft.

Hopefully the rumour is false as I am against taking an outside midfielder for Collingwood's first pick. Apparently Collingwood have been talking to Swift since the start of this year. (Source is a WCE supporter and poster on Bigfooty, I think 'Beatlesmith' but not sure.) He is a player who would suit us perfectly with that mixture of speed,skill and ability to play inside and outside.

Interesting to see who Collingwood take with their 2nd rounder, I was thinking DeBoer as we also lack a real ball winner and clearance machine, but we might end up taking a KPP with our second pick.

Fantastic job by the way Foj1, top class

 

[BookerTwilliams]

great effort Foj1. Really detailed

i do hope for your clubs (essendon) sake you guys pick the best available at 5, i think a lot of the reason you guys had such a shallow patch for a while was that you drafted for needs for to long, hence you don't really have any superstars under 30. You got it right in 2005 and 2006 for mine. But then when you go back on the drafts you where picking up what could have been perceived where the best players at the time.

I would not go tall for the sake of going tall with pick 5 if players like Ziebell, Hartlett, and Yarran are available and Vickery, Naitinui and Watts are gone with pick 5, thats just not what you do to become an elite team again.

We are just lucky that we need a ruckman and there is probably one of 2 very good ones available come our pick. But if for some reason Vickery and Nat where not there at our pick 4 i would be ropable if we picked up Roughhead , just because we needed ruckman over any of those top kids.

 

[Dave The Man]

Hopefully the rumour is false as I am against taking an outside midfielder for Collingwood's first pick. Apparently Collingwood have been talking to Swift since the start of this year. (Source is a WCE supporter and poster on Bigfooty, I think 'Beatlesmith' but not sure.) He is a player who would suit us perfectly with that mixture of speed,skill and ability to play inside and outside.

Interesting to see who Collingwood take with their 2nd rounder, I was thinking DeBoer as we also lack a real ball winner and clearance machine, but we might end up taking a KPP with our second pick.

Fantastic job by the way Foj1, top class

Also Heard that we could be Into Lisle as well so.... Who Knows(Except for Hine)

 

[foj1]

Can we swap our picks for these two just after us?

Grant and Boumann really influenced my thinking to be honest. In those two young blokes the Bullies have 2 pretty exciting young forwards. Tom Lynch is underated by many for mine although I concede his knee injury slowed him down while he was flying and I think the Bulldogs need to support Cross with a couple more ball winners although I concede Tom Liberatore and Mitchell Wallis both fulfill those roles and will be bottom aged TAC cup players next year and possible F/S selections in 2010. Jayden Post has zoomed up the charts but he is older than most and still was a little patchy especially early in the year. He actually reminds me of Sam Hunt who was virtually drafted on the strength of a dozen really good strong marking games. Again the opinions are my own and take them for what they are worth.

 

[foj1]

Very good effort, your knowledge on the youngsters cannot be questioned.

Strictly from an Essendon POV though, i'd be pretty disappointed with that draft. If we were looking for a more athletic tall at 5, then Trengove is by far the best option. And considering we've shown interest in him, i'd think that we would look at him before Mckernan.

Essendon have shown as much interest in Mckernan as they have Trengove.

 

[jackoisno1]

Essendon have shown as much interest in Mckernan as they have Trengove.

But i reckon u guys will take Hurley becuase you need AAAAAAA defender