Soccer has been saying that since the late 1950s after the WW2 massive European immigration programme and its still miles behind the other football codes esp the AFL 70 years later!
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I have provided the details, with the appropriate links & RLBJ & SEQJFL fixtures for 2020, earlier in this thread. I suggest you peruse those.
Player nos.- not team nos.- are actually much more relevant & accurate, if doing an analysis, since RL teams (inc. Tag, & contact girls' teams!) have fewer players, cf AF teams.
I also provided the Rugby League Ipswich jnr. comp. team nos. (Ipswich has its own RL comp., & Ipswich is legally part of Greater Brisbane)
IIRC, the QRL stated, on 26.7.20, the Rugby League Brisbane Jnrs. comp. (Greater Brisbane, excluding Ipswich), for U6-U12 inclusive, had c. 5000 jnr players, in 498 teams. This is shockingly low, for a RL heartland city of c. 2.2m. U13- U18 were FAR lower than 5000!
Also, c. 10%+ of these 498 teams were non-contact League tag: many RL clubs also run their own League tag teams.
AFLQ announced recently (linked by me) it had a record c.13,700 club comp. jnr players (U8-U17), in the SEQJFL (for the Gold Coast-Brisbane-Sunshine Coast corridor) in 2020. (13,700 excludes the many thousands of Club Auskick players 5y.o.-8.y.o).
2. Dr H. Fujak has just released his book "Code Wars- The Battle For Fans, Dollars, & Survival"- the book launch was on 17.3.21, at the North Sydney Oval.
The publisher is Fair Play Publishing- a Sydney-based specialist publisher of books on Australian soccer, the monthly soccer magazine "Play On", "Football Insider" podcast, soccer blogs & soccer websites etc. Fujak has spoken at several soccer functions etc.
Fujak previously did his Doctorate at the Uni. of Technology Sydney, was raised in Sydney, & now is a lecturer at Deakin Uni. (Burwood), Melb.
His book provides comprehensive, excellent analysis & research on the 4 football codes in Aust., their relative status & challenges, & future prospects.
AsiaFitnessToday News Network, in its book review, states
"Australia's Dr H. Fujak believes that the Australian Football league (AFL) is practically unassailable in its position at the centre of Australian football culture. Despite AFL's supremacy, 'Code Wars' does not attempt to say which football code is 'best' or 'worst'...".
Football Code Wars – The Battle for Fans, Dollars and Survival – AFT News Network
www.asiafitnesstoday.com
It also states the book covers these areas (amongst others)
.Why the Melbourne and Sydney sporting cultures are so different.
.Why Wagga Wagga has produced so many elite athletes of multiple sports.
- Will the AFL ultimately crush its competitors.
- Whether concussion will one day wipe out contact football altogether.
- Impacts of globalisation and technology on soccer
- Unique sporting market in Australia
- City and regional comparisons for Victoria and across Australia
- How grassroots engagement is key to future success
- Growth in women’s support of Rugby League
- The top down approach of Rugby Union
- Broadcasting rights and streaming war
This book is the best, in its breadth & level of detail, ever publicly published on the 4 football codes in Aust. It will be widely quoted, referenced etc.
There is enough material & breadth of topics in it to dominate c. 2 months of discussions on the BF Footy Industry forums! Hopefully, due to its vast array, some BF readers can buy it, & share their thoughts here- this massive tome has so many aspects covering the "Code Wars".
I am curious to discover if Dr Fujak has examined, across the 4 codes, the crucial issue of volunteers- a topic generally ignored/underrated in sporting academia.
The very large no. of GR hard working & committed volunteers (c.200k) in AF is, arguably, one of its greatest strengths. IMO (mainly from discussions with GR AF club committee members & volunteers- & fellow umpires), probably many of these volunteers are not only motivated by their love for the game, but also regard AF as a manifestation of Australian pride & nationalism.
NRL, State, & GR club RL officials have commented publicly numerous times that a shortage of volunteers is having a negative effect on GR (contact) RL nos., & sustaining clubs.
Heavy contact sports will disappear in the future. Any conclusion other than that is wrong.
ABC types like Kelly Underwood will be judged harshly for encouraging new demo to take up sport after all we now know.
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1. Courier Mail T. Meyn 24.3.21
Meyn said
D. Kelly, a co-owner of the Titans "lost more than $5m in his first investment in the Titans in 2012, & has in total pledged more than $35m to ensure the club's long term survival...".
"The NRL is conducting a study into whether the introduction of a 2nd team in Brisbane is financially viable, & will help grow participation in the game from GR (all my emphases) level".
D. Kelly said
"...I have lost a lot of money on the Titans...".
"The women's game [NRLW] is not financial at the moment, & a lot of the clubs wanted to pull out of it".
(Click on Courier Mail- in blue- at top of Reddit link, to open full CM article).
There have been at least 6 references from NRL officials &/or MSM RL experts, since late 2019, that Brisbane 2, which appears increasingly likely to occur, is being evaluated/justified by/relied upon to increase GR RL "participation" in SEQ.
Greater Sydney, however, has 8.5 NRL teams- but they have not prevented it's GR club (& school) jnr & snr male contact RL nos. from collapse (excluding Penrith District RL- but PDRL is also in a significant male contact RL decline).
Greater Brisbane has also had a collapse in GR club (& school) jnr & snr male contact RL nos. There are 2 Brisbane & GC NRL clubs- why will Brisbane 2 alter this significant, long term decline in SEQ?
2. Gold Coast Bulletin 24.3.21
The teaser headline said
"Best [emerging elite AF talent] kick we've ever seen- 25 rising AFLQ stars. The AFL is on track to record participation nos. [GR Club & school comp. nos. in 2021] in Qld., these 25 jnr talents are leading the way".
(Behind paywall- can anyone open, & post here please?).
Meyn said
D. Kelly, a co-owner of the Titans "lost more than $5m in his first investment in the Titans in 2012, & has in total pledged more than $35m to ensure the club's long term survival...".
"The NRL is conducting a study into whether the introduction of a 2nd team in Brisbane is financially viable, & will help grow participation in the game from GR (all my emphases) level".
D. Kelly said
"...I have lost a lot of money on the Titans...".
"The women's game [NRLW] is not financial at the moment, & a lot of the clubs wanted to pull out of it".
(Click on Courier Mail- in blue- at top of Reddit link, to open full CM article).
There have been at least 6 references from NRL officials &/or MSM RL experts, since late 2019, that Brisbane 2, which appears increasingly likely to occur, is being evaluated/justified by/relied upon to increase GR RL "participation" in SEQ.
Greater Sydney, however, has 8.5 NRL teams- but they have not prevented it's GR club (& school) jnr & snr male contact RL nos. from collapse (excluding Penrith District RL- but PDRL is also in a significant male contact RL decline).
Greater Brisbane has also had a collapse in GR club (& school) jnr & snr male contact RL nos. There are 2 Brisbane & GC NRL clubs- why will Brisbane 2 alter this significant, long term decline in SEQ?
2. Gold Coast Bulletin 24.3.21
The teaser headline said
"Best [emerging elite AF talent] kick we've ever seen- 25 rising AFLQ stars. The AFL is on track to record participation nos. [GR Club & school comp. nos. in 2021] in Qld., these 25 jnr talents are leading the way".
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So your one hope that your club becomes relevant is that all other sport is banned?
No that's BringBadThoughts. Little does he know he's documenting decline in contact sports.
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Keep on dreaming Wanderbaby.
There will always be contact sport. There will be changes made to protect the players but it’s in our nature.
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A number of clubs wanted to pull out of the NRLW?
There are only four clubs aren't there? And they only play 3 games.
Hard to believe it's all that expensive.
There are only four clubs aren't there? And they only play 3 games.
Hard to believe it's all that expensive.
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Footy's 'alive and well' in New South Wales
Addressing media in New South Wales, AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan shared his contentment with the game's growth in the state.
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Footy's 'alive and well' in New South Wales
Addressing media in New South Wales, AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan shared his contentment with the game's growth in the state.
That article and the numbers behind it, completely justifies the AFL's investment in QLD and NSW.
Having said that, it's Tassie's turn now. Get them in somehow.
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You’ll find the majority of fans from the 2 newest clubs want tassie to have their own team.
Our problem is when we get blamed or offered up as sacrifice for Tassie to have a team.
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Gil didn't mention 17k watching game on Sunday - ha.
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You idiot
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It's like I said always fuzzy membership & auskick numbers which are cited & you guys just lap it up.
Imagine running around suggesting you are going to be the biggest football club in the country.....insisting that you are going to pack out this new stadium built especially for you in your "heartland"....and then announcing inflated crowds of 6K whilst a miserable 11K are watching you on the telly across the entire nation
...and then at the end of all that trolling a sport that averages 35K crowds and hundreds of thousand average viewers each match?
You really have no idea how ridiculous you look do you?
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I wouldn't worry too much about these sorts of "criticisms" by non-AFL fans about our data. It nearly always amounts to straw clutching, and merely a way of them feeling better about the crap metrics associated with their own sport.
So you get all sorts of outlandish theories. You know the ones, they are repeated often enough.
So with the million plus memberships, there's straw clutching about freebies, pet memberships, baby memberships, etc.
Firstly, even if it were true that pet memberships are included (which they are not), that's still money in the bank. Most importantly, those million memberships are generating some $200+ million for the whole industry per annum. It always seems forgotten that some serious cash is getting generated. And don't you think that those million plus members (along with guaranteed large attendances and ratings) help bring in some serious sponsorship dollars?
But no, no, no....facebook likes are more valuable!
So you get all sorts of outlandish theories. You know the ones, they are repeated often enough.
So with the million plus memberships, there's straw clutching about freebies, pet memberships, baby memberships, etc.
Firstly, even if it were true that pet memberships are included (which they are not), that's still money in the bank. Most importantly, those million memberships are generating some $200+ million for the whole industry per annum. It always seems forgotten that some serious cash is getting generated. And don't you think that those million plus members (along with guaranteed large attendances and ratings) help bring in some serious sponsorship dollars?
But no, no, no....facebook likes are more valuable!
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Probably not least because its not true. As has been repeatedly explained to you.
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Not like soccers participation figures which a) count participants in multiple versions of the sport as multiple people and b) counts officials as participants.
EVERYONE professiional club in Australia does membership the same way.
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On Sunday in Sydney 17k watched on FTA. That is half what most games usually get & also about half what netball does. On a day with weather stopping ppl going outside.
Where's the growth in that?!
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yes, cause it is only non-afl fans who think AFL clubs memberships are a bit blurry.
you must not spend much time on this forum.
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3 game, free with auskick or pet memberships.
If super fans from USA buy block to give away I bet they all count too?!
yes, cause it is only non-afl fans who think AFL clubs memberships are a bit blurry.
you must not spend much time on this forum.
You spend way too many sad hours on this forum
As The_Wookie implied, all competitions have similar membership structures....not sure about the others but the AFL has a clear and transparent process of auditing, counting and presenting membership numbers
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Yeah bits and pieces only though.
He is kind of upset his beloved heartland soccer team is being over run by the new club and sport.
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how many watched on fox? on streams? you dont know anything. Netball averages out to 26-28k on Nines main channel.
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