Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

[RedV3x]

If a pro Nines comp. was started, I assume a comparison can be made to RU contact Sevens.

Well you could but it would be meaningless. RU is going from 15 to 7 whereas RL is going from 13 into 9.

Sevens does not have a mass spectator appeal,
RU Sevens has not "saved" RU in Australia- would Nines "save" male contact RL?

RU7s is an "event" sport, a bit of promotion aka AFLX and unsustainable long term.
RL9s is closer to the the game-of-13. I can see that as being reasonably attractive
but I cannot see it saving the game but more like dividing the the game.

The problem in Australia is that, for many or most jnr Clubs, it is not practicable to introduce weight divisions- because individual clubs often have insufficient nos. per age group.

i suspect that would be a major problem.

 

[RedV3x]

Interesting concept - develop a game to avoid Polynesians who are dominating the game.
Interesting concept - develop a fast open game with less tackling - any suggestions ? anyone ?

Is NRL playing into AFL's hands ?
The NRL has admitted that there is a problem and has suggested parents are concerned.
So the NRL has suggested young people play a faster and more open game. Why not simply say play "Aussie Rules"?

NRL likes to include touch rugby in rugby league figures so why not suggest something with a little more rugby in it like flag football - rugby without the tackle.?
Less players on the field makes for higher scoring but it doesn't make for more rugby.
RU could easily benefit by going down to 13 and RL would benefit by going down to 12 but anything more is not rugby.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Rugby 7's is an OLYMPIC SPORT. The AFLX was and is nothing. A clown of a game form with no real reason to exist in this country. There is no comparison between Rugby 7's to NRL 9's or AFLX.

To claim rugby 7's is unsustainable despite the fact it is part of the biggest sporting event on this planet is just clueless. The hong kong 7's has been running since 1970's. Rugby 7's is not a new concept. Its appeal is solid and growing. 34K over 2 days for the last 7's rugby event in Sydney. It is drifting further and further away from RU, to the stage where players have become specialised to each form.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Rugby 7's is an OLYMPIC SPORT. The AFLX was and is nothing. A clown of a game form with no real reason to exist in this country. There is no comparison between Rugby 7's to NRL 9's or AFLX.

To claim rugby 7's is unsustainable despite the fact it is part of the biggest sporting event on this planet is just clueless. The hong kong 7's has been running since 1970's. Rugby 7's is not a new concept. Its appeal is solid and growing. 34K over 2 days for the last 7's rugby event in Sydney. It is drifting further and further away from RU, to the stage where players have become specialised to each form.

Sevens is largely a function to help spread a game globally, with some added benefit of a carnival-style touring schedule for fun times where people get drunk where it travels, and it's not inherently a league-oriented, structured sport with underlying passionate support.

Nobody's saying it isn't successful, but what effectively is just a business activity to get some money from people wanting to drink in the stands once a year as it tours the world, and they get to see 20 different teams play over the course of a few hours, being linked to structural support and grassroots developments isn't it.

 

[RedV3x]

There is no comparison between Rugby 7's to NRL 9's or AFLX.

Well there is a comparison because I'm making one.

RU7s, NRL9s and AFLX are all promotional games and to the best of my knowledge are not played in regular competition.
We're talking about NRL9s as an adjunct to NRL.

To be absolutely clear we are NOT talking about RU7s as an adjunct to RA.

 

[Colonial]

Well there is a comparison because I'm making one.

RU7s, NRL9s and AFLX are all promotional games and to the best of my knowledge are not played in regular competition.
We're talking about NRL9s as an adjunct to NRL.

To be absolutely clear we are NOT talking about RU7s as an adjunct to RA.

RU7s an Olympic sport and there Was, pre-pandemic, a comp played all over the world.

 

[kaypee]

Rugby 7's is an OLYMPIC SPORT. The AFLX was and is nothing. A clown of a game form with no real reason to exist in this country. There is no comparison between Rugby 7's to NRL 9's or AFLX.

To claim rugby 7's is unsustainable despite the fact it is part of the biggest sporting event on this planet is just clueless. The hong kong 7's has been running since 1970's. Rugby 7's is not a new concept. Its appeal is solid and growing. 34K over 2 days for the last 7's rugby event in Sydney. It is drifting further and further away from RU, to the stage where players have become specialised to each form.

Not sure being an "Olympic Sport" carries the same cache it once did. The Olympics now are mostly garbage. Surprised cities still bid for them.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Sevens is largely a function to help spread a game globally, with some added benefit of a carnival-style touring schedule for fun times where people get drunk where it travels, and it's not inherently a league-oriented, structured sport with underlying passionate support.

Nobody's saying it isn't successful, but what effectively is just a business activity to get some money from people wanting to drink in the stands once a year as it tours the world, and they get to see 20 different teams play over the course of a few hours, being linked to structural support and grassroots developments isn't it.

actually, someone said it was not sustainable. Which is a joke. I should probably have quoted said person, but didn't want to get into it with said person(red)

Its structure doesn't fit into our normal domestic football structure. Its structure is more similar to other Olympic sports, like the Diamond League/Athletics. That is, an international league, nothing much domesticity but mostly funded by governments/International league with a huge flag-waving following every 4 years. That sustains a lot of smaller sports.

Either way, it doesn't need the 15's variety to help sustain it now

 

[RedV3x]

RU7s an Olympic sport and there Was, pre-pandemic, a comp played all over the world.

Competition as a domestic competition not event competition.

 

[RedV3x]

Its structure doesn't fit into our normal domestic football structure.

Yes, an event structure not a domestic competition.
International Rules is played widely around the world but nobody plays it as domestic competition.

 

[Colonial]

Competition as a domestic competition not event competition.

Had a world 7s competition that went year long too, till the pandemic.

 

[RedV3x]

Had a world 7s competition that went year long too, till the pandemic.

Yes, an event structure not a domestic competition.
DOMESTIC COMPETITION. A domestic competition would be the OPPOSITE to a world competition.
We were talking about about variants to established codes that could provide alternatives in DOMESTIC COMPETITION.

The question was if something like if NRL9s was established as a DOMESTIC COMPETITION then would it help
as an alternative to mainstream NRL and alleviate some of it's problems.
RU7s has promoted rugby generally but it certainly hasn't stopped the slide in Australian rugby.
Are you saying that without the promotion of RU7s then rugby would be worse off in Australia.
AFL has AFL9s a domestic competition by that is for recreation but overseas football is played 9-a-side a lot.

IMO RU7s is too far removed from 15-a-side to be useful - it's closer to touch rugby than anything.
i do think NRL9s is much closer to jou a` trieze.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1.

We were talking about about [contact] variants to established codes that could provide alternatives in DOMESTIC COMPETITION.The question was if something like if NRL9s was established as a DOMESTIC COMPETITION then would it helpas an alternative to mainstream NRL and alleviate some of it's problems [Yes].

Yes- contact Nines would help to grow GR RL & the NRL, as it would allow more light weights to play, & enjoy, contact RL.
Many female contact RL teams are playing in comps., with between7-12 players in each team (because teams are not yet able to field at least 13 females per side, so teams are "evened-up" with equal, smaller nos.).

Female jnr & snr contact RL is having significant growth in NSW & Qld. since 2018. This is of great benefit for RL, for a range of cultural & other important factors.


This link below quotes the NRL's own research which found fear of injury & weight differences are a major concern/deterrent for many parents & players.

Having teams with fewer players on the field, with less tackling, that is more free flowing (thus requiring, generally fitter, more agile & lighter players) is a more appealing game for light weight players (eg adult males under 82kgs): hits are fewer & less forceful.

The NRL Economist: Rabbitohs' claim of squandered $100m and Peter V'landys reaction

By The NRL Economist Apr 28th, 2021


In an exclusive for Wide World of Sports, The NRL Economist Ramy Haidar uncovers an explosive letter claiming $100 million has been squandered on participation, and reveals how Peter V'landys plans to deal with the issue.

Participation is a major area of concern for the NRL. So why does the NRL have so few participants relative to its audience size?

Some NRL clubs believe that previous programs and spending were burdened by bureaucracy. One such example is the South Sydney Rabbitohs, whose CEO Blake Solly co-signed a July 15, 2020 letter directed to the NSWRL.

In it he claimed: "Clearly, something is deeply wrong with the status quo when the NRL Club reads in the shareholders annual report that $100 million has been invested in 'Development' or 'Grassroots' over a three-year period; however, its junior league partner, who should benefit most from this investment, derives minimal results from or has little evidence of this funding."

Privately, clubs are seeking a decentralisation of participation policy in order to leverage government grants. Alerted to these issues, ARLC chairman Peter V'landys requested a 'participation council' be formed to review the previous strategy. The committee [is] led by commissioner Kate Jones...

The greatest challenge to achieving this is identified in the NRL's own research report 'Investigating motives that influence Australia's Rugby League retention rates', which identifies one of the major factors affecting participation is weight differences.
Both kids' and adults' fear of injury prevents them from playing, with weight difference a real concern. Growing participation will only occur when this concern is addressed.




Also, RL officials have stated recently that, to keep contact players in the game in some country areas with declining RL nos., some comps. will have fewer players per team.

RU7s has promoted rugby generally [Yes] but it certainly hasn't [7's still a plus] stopped the slide in Australian rugby.

Sevens has been a positive for RU.

IMO RU7s is too far removed from 15-a-side to be useful - it's closer to touch rugby than anything.

RU 7's has been widely adopted by many club & school female teams. As per the above reasons, it is less physical, & many females don't like scrums etc.- & is definitely helping to promote GR RU- & probably elite RU comps.






2. Gold Coast Titans want the secret 2019 extensive 200+ page L. Smith report into Brisbane 2 to be released.
Privately, NRL Club have indicated the Smith report was very concerned that the Titans & Broncos would be cannibalised , & it would be very risky for the NRL.
B. Ikin, on NRL 360 on 12.5, also stated that it should be released- since the Titans & RL public have the right to see why the 2019 Smith was so concerned about Brisbane 2.

The revelation 2 days ago that the successful bidder would be required to pay a very large licence fee- up to $40m, according to Manly's S. Penn- may alleviate concerns of the Titans- transfer some of the fees to them!

ARL Commissioner K. Jones is currently preparing another Report into declining male contact RL nos.- many millions of $ spent on GR RL, "to no avail".


"Courier Mail 12.5.21

The expansion war has exploded after the Gold Coast Titans accused the NRL of forging ahead with a new Brisbane team without providing proof it is the right move for the game.

V’landys and Abdo have consistently said the NRL will not pursue expansion if the business case did not stack up.
That means the introduction of a fourth club in Queensland would have to be financially viable across the game, boost grassroots participation and not negatively impact the Broncos, Cowboys and Titans.

Twelve of the NRL’s current 16 clubs - led by the Titans - have commissioned an independent report (Gemba) into the impact of expansion and are awaiting its findings.

The NRL is also understood to be in possession of a 2019 Report by strategy chief Lachlan Smith which discovered considerations to be assessed around expansion. Smith is also leading the current probe into expansion.

Gold Coast co-owner Darryl Kelly has pledged $35 million to ensure the future of the Titans and called on the NRL to release the findings of the 2019 report and prove expansion was the right decision.

“We want to see some facts,” Kelly said.
“Why aren’t they releasing the 2019 Report? Does it not tell the story they want told?
“It’s not a good look. It looks like the decision has been made before all the facts are in. That’s certainly the way it looks.
“There has been no consideration given to compiling a comprehensive report which clearly states it’s the way forward.

V’landys said the Titans should give the NRL an opportunity to outline their plans before campaigning against expansion.

“We will not have the Titans, Cowboys and Broncos cannibalised, I’ve made that very clear.”

QRL chairman Bruce Hatcher said the Titans were at risk and needed support.

“I’m not ruling out expansion by any means, but I have a particular view that the Titans need support and they need a better hold on the Gold Coast region than they currently have because historically it’s been difficult for rugby league to succeed in that area.”

“We want to see the evidence that there will be enough money,” he said.
“Has anyone asked the question of where the extra dollars are coming in to support a new club? There is the $13 million (yearly club) grant and then the extra costs to run the competition.

“Kate Jones (commissioner) is doing a piece on participation and that should be part of the consideration. What’s the cost to the women’s game and participation and grassroots?
“Let’s have some facts put on the table so we can understand where we’re going.” ".
(All emphases mine).

 

[RedV3x]

Yes- contact Nines would help to grow GR RL & the NRL, as it would allow more light weights to play, & enjoy, "standard" contact RL.

I agree with that theory only if it is in addition to normal circumstances otherwise their is the question of dilution and conflict in low number areas.

P.S. I don't agree that female football is any part of the solution of male participation numbers.
I don't agree that RU7s is a major part of any solution to RA's problems.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Sevens is largely a function to help spread a game globally, with some added benefit of a carnival-style touring schedule for fun times where people get drunk where it travels, and it's not inherently a league-oriented, structured sport with underlying passionate support.

Nobody's saying it isn't successful, but what effectively is just a business activity to get some money from people wanting to drink in the stands once a year as it tours the world, and they get to see 20 different teams play over the course of a few hours, being linked to structural support and grassroots developments isn't it.

Rugby is played on a professional level on 4 continents why we remain in in Australia
Their model is light years ahead of ours in making their game global. Do we even have a model to make us global?

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Rugby is played on a professional level on 4 continents why we remain in in Australia
Their model is light years ahead of ours in making their game global. Do we even have a model to make us global?

Yeah AFLX, the greatest game ever created in the history of mankind

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Do we even have a model to make us global?

Why does this matter?

 

[Aussie in exile]

Why does this matter?

So you are happy for the game to remain in Australia and not have any ambitions outside of Australia?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

So you are happy for the game to remain in Australia and not have any ambitions outside of Australia?

Yeah, why not?

Support people who want to play it organically, but why does the world need to play it?

 

[Aussie in exile]

Yeah, why not?

Support people who want to play it organically, but why does the world need to play it?

Insular thinking.

 

[Colonial]

Insular thinking.

Not really. AFL are concentrating on Australia right now, and they are further ahead in that than any other code.

 

[jatz14]

Rugby is played on a professional level on 4 continents why we remain in in Australia
Their model is light years ahead of ours in making their game global. Do we even have a model to make us global?

They don't have a model though.

They spread through the British empire, which gave it a multinational focus you can build international games on. It's not some superior strategy footy lacks.

The spread of footy, even if it speeds up Is probably to late for that. Any international tournament is done with the caveat that the winning national would probably struggle against a decent team in a strong Australian country league.

Imagine if RU was the All Blacks, and everyone else was below the level of the Shite shield?

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[RedV3x]

Rugby is played on a professional level on 4 continents.

Australian Rules Football is also played on all continents except maybe Antartica

Their model is light years ahead of ours in making their game global.

Then why is New Zealand the biggest country where RU dominates ?
Why does the obscure country of New Zealand keep being the ones to beat ?

Do we even have a model to make us global?

So I take it this is something that you fervently desire - Australian Rules Football dominating around the world
because you mention it so often.

 

[RedV3x]

Insular thinking.

So I take it this is something that you fervently desire - Australian Rules Football dominating around the world
because you mention it so often.
Can you enlighten us on your plan for Australian Rules Football to expand and dominate around the world ?

 

[RedV3x]

So you are happy for the game to remain in Australia and not have any ambitions outside of Australia?

So I take it this is something that you fervently desire - Australian Rules Football dominating around the world
because you mention it so often.
Tell us why it is so important to YOU for Australian Football to "go global".