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I’ve often said this is the thread the elitists come to post on. Case in point, all of the above.

If you told me that in 8 years from now we will have come off three straight years of finishing 17th or 18th, but that for the first 5 of those 8 years we will end up winning 3 flags, that would be a dream come true.

Give me what Richmond have done from 2017-2020 and their last 5 years over what Carlton have done between 2017-2025 (1996-2025).
 
I’ve often said this is the thread the elitists come to post on. Case in point, all of the above.

If you told me that in 8 years from now we will have come off three straight years of finishing 17th or 18th, but that for the first 5 of those 8 years we will end up winning 3 flags, that would be a dream come true.

Give me what Richmond have done from 2017-2020 and their last 5 years over what Carlton have done between 2017-2025 (1996-2025)

Of course you would, I don’t think anyone would say otherwise.

If you have a choice between winning thrice and staying up, and winning thrice and disappearing, though, you’d take the former.
 

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Of course you would, I don’t think anyone would say otherwise.

If you have a choice between winning thrice and staying up, and winning thrice and disappearing, though, you’d take the former.

If that’s the case, sure, you’d take the Geelong option. Just saying that either would be satisfying.
 
I’ve often said this is the thread the elitists come to post on. Case in point, all of the above.

If you told me that in 8 years from now we will have come off three straight years of finishing 17th or 18th, but that for the first 5 of those 8 years we will end up winning 3 flags, that would be a dream come true.

Give me what Richmond have done from 2017-2020 and their last 5 years over what Carlton have done between 2017-2025 (1996-2025).
There's nothing elitist about it though. The Richmond stuff is simply speculation about why they have retained a lunatic fringe obsessed with all things Geelong. You must look at these accounts (on their 4000th alias) and think how embarrassing it would be if you did the same regarding Collingwood. They would mock you, and you would have deserved that.

As we've said countless times, any semblance of a Richmond/Geelong rivalry has been dead and buried for 5 years. Yet they can't stop talking about the Cats despite clearly winning that 2017-2020 rivalry. We make fun of them for feeling insecure about Geelong simply being a somewhat competitive team.
 
There's nothing elitist about it though. The Richmond stuff is simply speculation about why they have retained a lunatic fringe obsessed with all things Geelong. You must look at these accounts (on their 4000th alias) and think how embarrassing it would be if you did the same regarding Collingwood. They would mock you, and you would have deserved that.

As we've said countless times, any semblance of a Richmond/Geelong rivalry has been dead and buried for 5 years. Yet they can't stop talking about the Cats despite clearly winning that 2017-2020 rivalry. We make fun of them for feeling insecure about Geelong simply being a somewhat competitive team.
Seriously, where would Richmond rank among Geelong fans' "rivals" in the last few years?

Hawthorn - the old enemy
Collingwood - long-standing record of competitive games and close finals
Doggies - making a big recent run with all the Bailey Smith stuff
Brisbane/Sydney/GWS - all been contenders/rivals around the same spot in recent years, some good games against them
Saints/Carlton- annoyingly have a good recent record against us.

Richmond after that, I guess? And even then mostly for "I hope we belt them to see the nuffies melt" laughs....
 
Seriously, where would Richmond rank among Geelong fans' "rivals" in the last few years?

Hawthorn - the old enemy
Collingwood - recent record of competitive games and close finals
Doggies - making a big recent run with all the Bailey Smith stuff
Brisbane/Sydney/GWS - all been contenders/rivals around the same spot in recent years, some good games against them
Saints/Carlton- annoyingly have a good recent record against us.

Richmond after that, I guess? And even then mostly for "I hope we belt them to see the nuffies melt" laughs....
It's really Hawthorn, Collingwood and then the contenders of the era for Geelong.

As annoying as it is to lose games to Carlton, St Kilda and GWS when we're the higher ranked team - it doesn't really make it a "rivalry".

Brisbane we've faced in a lot of big games 2020 onwards. It's not a fierce rivalry but if we lined up in a final again there would be a bit of heat.

The Dogs supporters hate us but we like them and the clubs themselves have no animosity.
 
Legit Question - Is any of the Geelong warchest actually within their salary cap or is it just a whip around between Cotton On, Simmonds Homes and Morris Finance?
All those and more. It's a collective contribution of countless great Geelong people and businesses. I didn't expect we'd be activating it so soon.
 

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Legit Question - Is any of the Geelong warchest actually within their salary cap or is it just a whip around between Cotton On, Simmonds Homes and Morris Finance?

It’s an actual chest buried on Rhys Stanley’s farm full of cash, title deeds to other farms and cotton on vouchers
 
Geelong using their psychokinetic powers to cause that Melbourne winger (you know, the twink, usually a decent attacking player) to try and tag Nick Daicos, then to make the ump pay no frees for the first half (enraging Pies), then paying a heap of soft frees in the second half (enraging all the other flogs).

The Cats are like Trump sending ICE agents and troops to LA to foment unrest! Sad! Many such cases!
 
Legit Question - Is any of the Geelong warchest actually within their salary cap or is it just a whip around between Cotton On, Simmonds Homes and Morris Finance?
If you’re actually going to ask this from a legitimate standpoint:

Since 2022 we have lost Selwood, Hawkins, Isaac Smith, Gary Rohan, Brandon Parfitt and Tuohy from the flag team as well as Ratugolea from the ‘semi-regular’ team.

In their place we have brought in Bailey Smith, plus Bowes, Bruhn, and Ollie Henry, and Jack Martin.

Smith even allowing for third party deals or whatever, would I’m sure be on a decent wage. I doubt the others would have been signed for a tremendous amount, especially Henry and Bowes; Henry requested a trade away from the Pies and had not really done anything at that stage, and Bowes was virtually shoved out the door by the Suns. Bruhn was a player we really chased hard from memory so I think he would be paid well.

Martin I doubt would be on much money. He’s been injured much of his career and he’s primarily a small forward. We’ve bought him in as depth for positions and roles we are strong in and in his only game so far we played him in defence.

So since our ‘peak’ of 3 years ago I would think we’ve actually probably got more room to move if you did a ‘what’s changed’ type comparison. In fact, a lot more room. There’s no way we’d be paying the same for these 5, as we were for the 7 players we’ve lost.

But in between what has changed? Well Ollie Dempsey has won a rising star award. We’ve re-signed Tyson Stengle. Max Holmes has emerged as one of the best young players in the comp. Gryan Miers is arguably the best ball user by foot in the league.

So you would think the extra money to seal those guys in, would eat up what was freed up, between the retirements, and the incoming players 2022-2025.


TL:DR? We can probably afford at least 1 good incoming player and probably two, if we can offload Duncan, Stanley, Cam Guthrie and one other player by the end of the season.
 

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If you’re actually going to ask this from a legitimate standpoint:

Since 2022 we have lost Selwood, Hawkins, Isaac Smith, Gary Rohan, Brandon Parfitt and Tuohy from the flag team as well as Ratugolea from the ‘semi-regular’ team.

In their place we have brought in Bailey Smith, plus Bowes, Bruhn, and Ollie Henry, and Jack Martin.

Smith even allowing for third party deals or whatever, would I’m sure be on a decent wage. I doubt the others would have been signed for a tremendous amount, especially Henry and Bowes; Henry requested a trade away from the Pies and had not really done anything at that stage, and Bowes was virtually shoved out the door by the Suns. Bruhn was a player we really chased hard from memory so I think he would be paid well.

Martin I doubt would be on much money. He’s been injured much of his career and he’s primarily a small forward. We’ve bought him in as depth for positions and roles we are strong in and in his only game so far we played him in defence.

So since our ‘peak’ of 3 years ago I would think we’ve actually probably got more room to move if you did a ‘what’s changed’ type comparison. In fact, a lot more room. There’s no way we’d be paying the same for these 5, as we were for the 7 players we’ve lost.

But in between what has changed? Well Ollie Dempsey has won a rising star award. We’ve re-signed Tyson Stengle. Max Holmes has emerged as one of the best young players in the comp. Gryan Miers is arguably the best ball user by foot in the league.

So you would think the extra money to seal those guys in, would eat up what was freed up, between the retirements, and the incoming players 2022-2025.


TL:DR? We can probably afford at least 1 good incoming player and probably two, if we can offload Duncan, Stanley, Cam Guthrie and one other player by the end of the season.
I highly doubt they were asking it from a legitimate standpoint.
 
As annoying as it is to lose games to Carlton, St Kilda and GWS when we're the higher ranked team - it doesn't really make it a "rivalry".

Oi! We beat you in a Grand Final. That’s the rivalry. :D
 
If you’re actually going to ask this from a legitimate standpoint:

Since 2022 we have lost Selwood, Hawkins, Isaac Smith, Gary Rohan, Brandon Parfitt and Tuohy from the flag team as well as Ratugolea from the ‘semi-regular’ team.

In their place we have brought in Bailey Smith, plus Bowes, Bruhn, and Ollie Henry, and Jack Martin.

Smith even allowing for third party deals or whatever, would I’m sure be on a decent wage. I doubt the others would have been signed for a tremendous amount, especially Henry and Bowes; Henry requested a trade away from the Pies and had not really done anything at that stage, and Bowes was virtually shoved out the door by the Suns. Bruhn was a player we really chased hard from memory so I think he would be paid well.

Martin I doubt would be on much money. He’s been injured much of his career and he’s primarily a small forward. We’ve bought him in as depth for positions and roles we are strong in and in his only game so far we played him in defence.

So since our ‘peak’ of 3 years ago I would think we’ve actually probably got more room to move if you did a ‘what’s changed’ type comparison. In fact, a lot more room. There’s no way we’d be paying the same for these 5, as we were for the 7 players we’ve lost.

But in between what has changed? Well Ollie Dempsey has won a rising star award. We’ve re-signed Tyson Stengle. Max Holmes has emerged as one of the best young players in the comp. Gryan Miers is arguably the best ball user by foot in the league.

So you would think the extra money to seal those guys in, would eat up what was freed up, between the retirements, and the incoming players 2022-2025.


TL:DR? We can probably afford at least 1 good incoming player and probably two, if we can offload Duncan, Stanley, Cam Guthrie and one other player by the end of the season.
But the story we heard for years was that Selwood and Hawkins were getting paid next to nothing to keep you below the salary cap. But when they leave its offset Bailey Smith who must be on $1 million. Stengle who was on next to nothing going up to $750k minimum. Holmes who I'm not sure what he would be on with an upgraded contract but must be decent money. Plus Bruhn, Bowes, Henry, Martin and before that Cameron. And then you have enough money for 2 more.

Doesn't make sense. I can say this right now Port have the highest (on the table) offers for Bergman and Butters - you watch them leave.
 
If you’re actually going to ask this from a legitimate standpoint:

Since 2022 we have lost Selwood, Hawkins, Isaac Smith, Gary Rohan, Brandon Parfitt and Tuohy from the flag team as well as Ratugolea from the ‘semi-regular’ team.

In their place we have brought in Bailey Smith, plus Bowes, Bruhn, and Ollie Henry, and Jack Martin.

Smith even allowing for third party deals or whatever, would I’m sure be on a decent wage. I doubt the others would have been signed for a tremendous amount, especially Henry and Bowes; Henry requested a trade away from the Pies and had not really done anything at that stage, and Bowes was virtually shoved out the door by the Suns. Bruhn was a player we really chased hard from memory so I think he would be paid well.

Martin I doubt would be on much money. He’s been injured much of his career and he’s primarily a small forward. We’ve bought him in as depth for positions and roles we are strong in and in his only game so far we played him in defence.

So since our ‘peak’ of 3 years ago I would think we’ve actually probably got more room to move if you did a ‘what’s changed’ type comparison. In fact, a lot more room. There’s no way we’d be paying the same for these 5, as we were for the 7 players we’ve lost.

But in between what has changed? Well Ollie Dempsey has won a rising star award. We’ve re-signed Tyson Stengle. Max Holmes has emerged as one of the best young players in the comp. Gryan Miers is arguably the best ball user by foot in the league.

So you would think the extra money to seal those guys in, would eat up what was freed up, between the retirements, and the incoming players 2022-2025.


TL:DR? We can probably afford at least 1 good incoming player and probably two, if we can offload Duncan, Stanley, Cam Guthrie and one other player by the end of the season.

So....you've established a war chest by retiring old players.....hmmm now there's food for thought
Pies are gonna have a war chest too then.
 
So....you've established a war chest by retiring old players.....hmmm now there's food for thought
Pies are gonna have a war chest too then.
Correct. 6 premiership stars off the books, with 3 more soon to come.

If the Pies do similar the next 3 years of course they will have big $$$ to spend, even after their luxury additions from the 2024 post-season.
 

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