Geelong vs pies final should not be at the mcg.

[doppleganger]

How am I wrong? I said the games were at the MCG.

There wasnt 8 in a row pre finals.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

That’s interesting.

I’ve never heard him make an excuse. I’ve heard him once say that we had a handful of Ill players before last year’s preliminary final and follow it by saying ‘it made no difference to the result.’

Can you find me links to other excuses he’s made please

Think the subject has been amply covered in this thread where you made 134 posts, just go to bed

Chris Scott says a virus cost Geelong a grand final berth in 2021

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/geelong-cats/afl-2022-geelong-players-sick-for-preliminary-final-vs-melbourne-chris-scott-reaction-why-was-game-not-delayed-news/news-story/c3716b1e933c91e68b7f6db95b766eb4 Chris Scott says a virus swept through Geelong preliminary final week... and is...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[PhatBoy]

Think the subject has been amply covered in this thread where you made 134 posts, just go to bed

Chris Scott says a virus cost Geelong a grand final berth in 2021

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/geelong-cats/afl-2022-geelong-players-sick-for-preliminary-final-vs-melbourne-chris-scott-reaction-why-was-game-not-delayed-news/news-story/c3716b1e933c91e68b7f6db95b766eb4 Chris Scott says a virus swept through Geelong preliminary final week... and is...

www.bigfooty.com

So in other words, aside from the example I already mentioned, you can’t find one.

 

[blue harvest]

The quicker, cheaper and fairer option would just allow Geelong to host finals they earn.

But Geelong or any other team don't earn home finals.

20-30 years back the AFL decided that interstate sides could play in their own state if they finish higher because it was impractical and unfair for those teams and their supporters to fly to Melbourne every week in September. Many people mistakenly interpreted this as a system of earning home finals.

 

[blue harvest]

Richmond had eight consecutive games at the MCG prior to the finals in 2019; Geelong get nine home games per year.

No they didn't. And even if they did, a lot of them would be derbies with no advantage. 7 clubs play home games there.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Well then what are we going to argue about? Who has the better mascot?

Why do we have to argue?

 

[Seeds]

Wrong.

The Tiggers didnt have 8 games in a row.

By chance where do you expect these games to be played?

Melb v Rich
Coll v Rich
Rich v Carl
Haw v Rich

Do you think Rich have any advantage in them?

You might not have an advantage. But you dont have a disadvantage despite 3 of them being away games. Geelong is disadvantaged in all away games and some home games too.

 

[doppleganger]

You might not have an advantage. But you dont have a disadvantage despite 3 of them being away games. Geelong is disadvantaged in all away games and some home games too.

Gee it must be tough playing an away game at a ground you have 5+ games at every year, where tens of thousands of Cat fans are able to attend and you also play "home" games at.

Pies are also forced to play 2 home games at Marvel, 1 against a Marvel tenant every year. Difference being is the Pies dont get 5+ games at Marvel every year (3) so are less familiar with the ground than the Cats and the G.

Unlike Geelong, Pies dont have 9 home games with a ridiculous advantage against a team that will only play once at that stadium per year.

 

[Seeds]

Yes, because Collingwood vs Richmond at the G is an advantage to Collingwood.

Are you deliberately posting nonsense or are you actually this dense?

You are missing the point. Its not an advantage I agree. But its also not a disadvantage.

+1 home advantage. 0 neutral, -1 disadvantage.

if collingwood plays 14 games at home against melbourne teams then they are all neutral games, plays 4 games at the oppositions ground interstate and gets 4 games at the mcg against interstate sides with clear home advantage to pies then its fixture fairness score is 14*0 + 4*-1 +4*1 = 0. i.e. pies have a fair fixture.

if geelong gets 9 games at kardinia park as home advantages and 13 games at their oppositions home city and stadium as disadvantages then geelong ends up with a fixture fairness score of 9*1 + 13*-1 =-4. I.e. a clearly unfair fixture biased against geelong.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Geelong should play all away games on he grounds their opponent trains on and then be made to compensate the AFL and opposition team for the crowd shortfall.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You are missing the point. Its not an advantage I agree. But its also not a disadvantage.

+1 home advantage. 0 neutral, -1 disadvantage.

if collingwood plays 14 games at home against melbourne teams then they are all neutral games, plays 4 games at the oppositions ground interstate and gets 4 games at the mcg against interstate sides with clear home advantage to pies then its fixture fairness score is 14*0 + 4*-1 +4*1 = 0. i.e. pies have a fair fixture.

if geelong gets 9 games at kardinia park as home advantages and 13 games at their oppositions home city and stadium as disadvantages then geelong ends up with a fixture fairness score of 9*1 + 13*-1 =-4. I.e. a clearly unfair fixture biased against geelong.

You are disregarding away disadvantage. Geelong’s 9 games at Wingless all entail the biggest away venue disadvantage there is in the AFL. Collingwood only had 5 matches at the MCG in 2022 v teams with a substantial away venue disadvantage, v Giants, Suns, Roos, Crows, Power. And all of those play more games at the MCG on average than any visiting team does at Wingless.

This is not to even mention the wierd dimensions of Wingless nor the fact Geelong trains there full time where Collingwood never trains on the MCG.

In summary, your calculations are based on massive fallacies.

 

[doppleganger]

You are missing the point. Its not an advantage I agree. But its also not a disadvantage.

+1 home advantage. 0 neutral, -1 disadvantage.

if collingwood plays 14 games at home against melbourne teams then they are all neutral games, plays 4 games at the oppositions ground interstate and gets 4 games at the mcg against interstate sides with clear home advantage to pies then its fixture fairness score is 14*0 + 4*-1 +4*1 = 0. i.e. pies have a fair fixture.

if geelong gets 9 games at kardinia park as home advantages and 13 games at their oppositions home city and stadium as disadvantages then geelong ends up with a fixture fairness score of 9*1 + 13*-1 =-4. I.e. a clearly unfair fixture biased against geelong.

Bahaha

Geelong v Carlton at CatPark
Carlton v Geelong at the G.

You cant sit there and say the advantage / disadvantage is equal.

Geelong play and train at CatPark
Carlton never set foot at CatPark

Geelong play almost as many games at the G as Carlton often it is 5 to 7.

Games at CatPark only allow a few thousand oppo fans in at best, v at the G Geelong can have 20-30k of their fans in attendance

Geelong play home games at the G, Carlton don't play home games at CatPark

If geelong v Carlton is a +1 / -1
Carlton v Geelong is akin to +0.2 / -0.2

 

[SuperVolley11]

Interstate teams play on their home grounds not the training ground. Big difference.

Interstate clubs train on their home grounds too. Maybe not all the time. Doesn’t essendon have two training grounds, one mcg and one marvel sized. Even Geelong have a mcg size training ground.

 

[dangerwood]

Why do we have to argue?

You've got me there.

 

[Pistol Night]

You've got me there.

Don't dwell on that too much or it'll be the end of Bigfooty

 

[Freddy Swift]

Stiff s**t. We train where we arrange to train.
If other clubs don’t like it, train at facilities that match their home ground.

Oh I see, if there’s an advantage for Geelong it’s ‘stiff s**t’ to everyone else but if others have an advantage over Geelong, it’s not fair.


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[Tarkyn_24]

Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure you guys have played the Eagles a few times as well.

1990 (x2), 1994, 2007, 2011, 2012, 2018 (x2), 2020 off the top of my head. So 6 occasions since 2007

An inordinate number of close matches in there too. Two draws, two one pointers, a five point Grand Final and another three or so within roughly two goals

 

[Obeanie1]

You might not have an advantage. But you dont have a disadvantage despite 3 of them being away games. Geelong is disadvantaged in all away games and some home games too.

Where are they onthe ladder?

When did they last miss finals?

Cry us a river mate.

The extra 40,000 spectator $$$ makes the decision. Its an hour up the road and one of the best stadiums on the planet. PLUS the AFL did that long term dodgy deal playing the GF there for 50 years. So Geelong nor any Vic team wont be travelling interstate to play a GF in that period even when the other side earned it.

Just stop sooking.

 

[Freddy Swift]

So when Steve Johnson said, and I quote ‘there is no way we win that flag without Chris Scott’ he was lying.

That’s nice to know.

And as if he was going to say anything different, he wanted to keep getting a game.


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[Pistol Night]

So when Steve Johnson said, and I quote ‘there is no way we win that flag without Chris Scott’ he was lying.

That’s nice to know.

He was right. Pies smoked them in the 2010 prelim and Scott figured you couldn't just try and bulldoze through the forward press. Turned the tables

 

[PhatBoy]

And as if he was going to say anything different, he wanted to keep getting a game.


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Yes the man who has no problem telling the world he doesn’t get on with a 3 time flag teammate is just going to unequivicolly answer Mike Sheahan like that just because he has to, about the man who moved him
On from Geelong

 

[Pistol Night]

Yes the man who has no problem telling the world he doesn’t get on with a 3 time flag teammate is just going to unequivicolly answer Mike Sheahan like that just because he has to, about the man who moved him
On from Geelong

Yeah i doubt Stevie would give a **** about saying what he thought to a first year coach

 

[Pistol Night]

Could they bring the southern stand side boundary in the match GMHBA dimensions?

 

[PhatBoy]

Oh I see, if there’s an advantage for Geelong it’s ‘stiff s**t’ to everyone else but if others have an advantage over Geelong, it’s not fair.


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Try taking that up with someone who’s actually whinging about other clubs

 

[Corn Cobbers]

So in other words, aside from the example I already mentioned, you can’t find one.

That one example you mentioned actually proved my case, it's over!