Get Rid of Doherty Foundation

[LukeParkerno1]

Hardly, Hauritz has been sucessfull at test level. Yes I know some of his sucess is againt Pakistan (so was Bollinger's), but he has been sucessful in a range of conditions. No reason why he would not be sucessful now. He is EASILY better than Doherty!

 

[amer]

Far as I'm concerned, pick the 4 best bowlers in the country. Right now that doesn't include a spinner, so we should make do with part timers. If we're that set on picking a specialist spinner, at least pick the best one. Statistically that's O'Keefe.

 

[sherb]

Mitch Johnson dropped a catch off his bowling, as did someone else I believe.

Look guys, he is probably not going to cut it as a test international bowler, but stop being so bloody negative. It is his second game, and he out-bowled Swann in the first test. Give him a go, and if he doesn't cut it, so be it.

That would be nice, but this is the BigFooty cricket board, where it is important to spew as much vitriol and bile in Doherty's direction as possible (in particular on the part of the thread starter).

 

[sherb]

name a finger spinner full stop who has performed well in tests in Australia during the past 50 years.

Even Tim May avged 35

Bruce Yardley had a brilliant season in 81/82, against two very good sides:
PAKISTAN
6/84
1/51 & 4/77
7/187
WEST INDIES
1/23 & 4/38
3/87 & 7/98
5/132 & 0/68

 

[legend166]

Pick 4 quicks and Smith at 6.

 

[BarneyBent]

Bruce Yardley had a brilliant season in 81/82, against two very good sides:
PAKISTAN
6/84
1/51 & 4/77
7/187
WEST INDIES
1/23 & 4/38
3/87 & 7/98
5/132 & 0/68

Lol, Pakistan and the Windies "very good sides". God how times have changed!

Also, to those saying Hauritz's wickets were doubtful, I don't really get this. The Pakistan players have only been implicated in spot-fixing, fixing individual deliveries to be things like no-balls, etc. There has been no evidence that they ever tried to throw a game (at an international level, where the spotlight is brightest), aside from vague speculation that it was a piss-poor collapse in Sydney. On that basis, the Australian team should come under scrutiny for some of their recent performances too.

So in other words, there is absolutely nothing of any substance to suggest that Hauritz's wickets weren't earnt. I have little doubt that the Pakistan players have been involved in spot-fixing, but until evidence actually arises that the SCG match result was fixed, and they deliberately threw away their wickets, you can only give Hauritz credit.

 

[Fastback]

So far in this series the strips haven't really favoured spinners so it's hard to gauge Doherty's performance atm.

Series figures
Doherty: 64 overs 2/218 (incl 35 overs when the gabba became a tarmac)
Swan: 80 overs 4/231 (8 overs on the tarmac)

Given this, it's hard to see how any other current spinner would have fared better.

I'd keep persisting.

 

[sherb]

Lol, Pakistan and the Windies "very good sides". God how times have changed!

Six of the top 7 West Indian batsmen were: Greenidge, Haynes, Richards, Gomes, Lloyd and Dujon. And no need to even mention their bowling (Garner, Croft, Holding, Roberts, etc).

And Pakistan's batting included Majid Khan, Mudassar Nazar, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Wasim Raja and Imran Khan. Their bowling wasn't quite as strong, but still included Imran Khan, Sarfraz Narwaz and Iqbal Qasim.

"Very good sides" minimum. With the quality of batting in particular, it just goes to show how good Yardley's summer was.

 

[Spearhead]

Ashley Mallett was our last good quality finger spinner, but a lot of his best performances came outside of Australia, except for the 8-59 he took against Pakistan in 1972-73.

What about Bruce Yardley?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Go Doherty...haha

Ton is up!

 

[The Passenger]

Haha..England won't bat again!

Doherty= no better than the local spinner playing club cricket really. Has he turned one? I am waiting. I am happy Ponting has been proven to be a fruitloop again. Typical when he selects his mates.

Ponting gets what he wants, he just does. Why is North still in the side?

doherty actually turns the ball... he just has absolutely no variation in his flight and his control can be a bit lacking at times. he is extremely uninventive and doesn't appear to have much through process which is why he has been so easy to pick off.

he also looks as if he is being dragged to the torture chamber every time he has the ball in his hands. shows not a shred of confidence.

hauritz took 5-for in the last shield game so is almost certain to be recalled i would think .

have to get some more development into o'keefe and quickly. i must admit i was suprised to see him do well at first class level but his numbers early on have been good. he runs through the crease a lot more than he did when he first came onto the scene for NSW so that is probably were a lot of his improvement has come from.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

This guy is the worst ever spinner to play for Australia. What a joke that he now has a baggy green cap for life.

Get hauritz back in. Yeah, he isnt great but he's easily the best we've got...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He makes Hauritz look like Shane Warne!

 

[mediumsizered]

What about Bruce Yardley?

As pointed out by Sherb, Yardley did have one very good season (if I remember rightly he won the International Cricketer of the Season award), but he was no Ashley Mallett (although both of them were very good gully fieldsmen).

 

[sherb]

As pointed out by Sherb, Yardley did have one very good season (if I remember rightly he won the International Cricketer of the Season award), but he was no Ashley Mallett (although both of them were very good gully fieldsmen).

Yardley had more than one good season. In fact, statistically there was little between them:
Mallett:
38 tests, 132 wickets @ 29.84, S/R 75.68, econ 2.36
Yardley
33 tests, 126 wickets @ 31.63, S/R 70.70, econ 2.68

I'd probably lean towards Mallett as an offie as well, but there was nowhere the difference between them that you suggest.

As you said, they were both superb gully fieldsmen. However, Yardley was easily the more effective batsman of the two, scoring just under 1000 runs at around 20 odd in Tests.

 

[sherb]

This guy is the worst ever spinner to play for Australia. What a joke that he now has a baggy green cap for life.

Get hauritz back in. Yeah, he isnt great but he's easily the best we've got...

You weren't around to see all the spinners who represented Australia over the years, so how can you possibly make the bolded statement?

I can name one spinner worse than X for a start - John Watkins. At least Xavier can land the ball on the pitch.

 

[legend166]

McGain was worse than Doherty.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

At least Bryce had the excuse that South Africa were the best side in the world!

 

[Scootyb]

(at the moment)Smith is shit @ spin. Stop even mentioning him as a part time option. He has merrit as a number 6 bat

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He'd still be betetr than Doherty, but that is not saying much!

 

[Tazwegian]

He'd still be betetr than Doherty, but that is not saying much!

Just think, mate. However good or bad Doherty is as an international spinner, he has achieved way more with his ability, and has way more skill than I imagine you have at whatever hobby you partake in.

I think some of you guys are no better than soccer hooligans. All emotion, and no real love or understanding of the game.

Give Doherty a break.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So what? I'm not out there trying my hardest to be the worst spinner Australia has ever seen at test level. If you must know I am good at what I do thank you very much, it pays the bills. No understanding of the game..say what? Bowlers are meant to get wickets, simple as that.

 

[frankrizzo]

always felt it was a mistake to try and pick a guy like doherty in a 4 man attack simply to hold up an end.

First off we picked the wrong guy, no matter his one day credentials he was going at 3.6 an over in first class cricket which is worse than haurtiz.

Second on flat decks vs high quality test match batting even the top spinners go for 3+ an over nowadays, the difference is they pick up wickets.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

You weren't around to see all the spinners who represented Australia over the years, so how can you possibly make the bolded statement?

I can name one spinner worse than X for a start - John Watkins. At least Xavier can land the ball on the pitch.

Doherty wasn't trying to bowl the difficult art of leg spin. All you need to be able to bowl the crap that Doherty bowls is to be left handed.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Yardley had more than one good season. In fact, statistically there was little between them:
Mallett:
38 tests, 132 wickets @ 29.84, S/R 75.68, econ 2.36
Yardley
33 tests, 126 wickets @ 31.63, S/R 70.70, econ 2.68

I'd probably lean towards Mallett as an offie as well, but there was nowhere the difference between them that you suggest.

As you said, they were both superb gully fieldsmen. However, Yardley was easily the more effective batsman of the two, scoring just under 1000 runs at around 20 odd in Tests.

Yardley took some absolute screamers at gully. He was one of the best I've seen. Huss used to be about as good but he's fallen away this year.