Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

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[DanA]

Not completely surprised we traded into the first round considering it was a draft where teams no doubt had very different evaluations and risk tolerance. We’ll know in 2-3 years who got it right.

A little surprise we didn’t leave a list spot for the mid-season draft. IMO that was a strategic mistake. IMO we should not have re-signed Narkle or Guthrie.

Happy enough with the type of players we drafted. A winger to succeed Smith/Higgins, a sorely needed developmental ruck, and an attacking defender with a penetrating kick. We might have plenty of defenders his size but only Stewart provides any sort of attack.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

To be fair selwood seemed to indicate that we were going to go 37/5 not 38/4 but we thought stevens would be gone before our 3rd pick...when he was there we didnt want to risk him being taken before the rookie draft pick we would have had so we snapped him up.

 

[Flips]

Some sort of arrangement could have been reached that would have seen both clubs end with more imo. ...but I think GWS were intent on pegs in the ground and who had the biggest swangdangle. For example I suspect we would have traded a higher pick for Caldwell that Ess gave you ...

The annoying part of the narrative form me was the constant assertion that GWS need to maximise the Cameron deal etc... with little credit given to him already having played 1 more year than most Free Agents... by 9 years ...players should be able to move with the type of the last minute theatrics that happened.

I guess we will see if Bruhn was worth the combat

Bruhn went before the first pick we gave them

 

[Shadow89]

To be fair selwood seemed to indicate that we were going to go 37/5 not 38/4 but we thought stevens would be gone before our 3rd pick...when he was there we didnt want to risk him being taken before the rookie draft pick we would have had so we snapped him up.

Stevens is already a very good size for his age - and could genuinely play AFL right off the bat IMO. Is easily the most ready made and trained with us during pre-season last year. Looks like he's exactly our type of player.

Neale looks great, and I genuinely didn't think he'd slip through to us - which was a really nice surprise. As others have said, a real Max King

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vibe about him. Easily the best ruck behind Thilthorpe that was available.

Still on the fence about Holmes, but as I watch more interviews, learn more info, I'm slowly starting to come around. Any player that has 3 other clubs interested - Richmond, Saints and Demons -, is definitely a draft 'bolter.' Troy Selwood

Troy Selwood

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5.8

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4.3

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3.0

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said in the draft recap that his injury limited his exposure, which meant that he could have gone a lot higher had other recruiters had more vision. Also seems like a really nice kid to boot.

As long as we finish Top 4 next season, then it won't make that much of a difference once all is said and done. Also is an extra year of development prior to a likely slew of retirements in '22, so makes sense to get someone in now with 2 years under their belt rather than just 1.

Sorta makes sense that we've filled out our list spots, as we got everyone we wanted with what we had available

 

[year of the cat]

Wells on radio indicated that they were looking to trade up to grab one of a handful of players they had earmarked to be accessible, one of which was Holmes. He said a few others had gone already - I expect Henry and Bruhn were on that list. Wonder who the others were and whether there was anyone else that was taken after we took Holmes that we would have taken if he had not been available?

 

[CatRiot]

Stevens is already a very good size for his age - and could genuinely play AFL right off the bat IMO. Is easily the most ready made and trained with us during pre-season last year. Looks like he's exactly our type of player.

Neale looks great, and I genuinely didn't think he'd slip through to us - which was a really nice surprise. As others have said, a real Max King

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vibe about him. Easily the best ruck behind Thilthorpe that was available.

Still on the fence about Holmes, but as I watch more interviews, learn more info, I'm slowly starting to come around. Any player that has 3 other clubs interested - Richmond, Saints and Demons -, is definitely a draft 'bolter.' Troy Selwood

Troy Selwood

Age

41

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.2

5star

said in the draft recap that his injury limited his exposure, which meant that he could have gone a lot higher had other recruiters had more vision. Also seems like a really nice kid to boot.

As long as we finish Top 4 next season, then it won't make that much of a difference once all is said and done. Also is an extra year of development prior to a likely slew of retirements in '22, so makes sense to get someone in now with 2 years under their belt rather than just 1.

Sorta makes sense that we've filled out our list spots, as we got everyone we wanted with what we had available

Agreed. I wouldn't even be surprised if Stevens turns into a genuine midfielder. You know like one those Hodgey types, that goes in the guts sometimes and then does a lot of the positional setups from defence.

 

[David the Cat]

To be fair selwood seemed to indicate that we were going to go 37/5 not 38/4 but we thought stevens would be gone before our 3rd pick...when he was there we didnt want to risk him being taken before the rookie draft pick we would have had so we snapped him up.

Yes...they took a long time and a heap of discussion before picking him....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yes...they took a long time and a heap of discussion before picking him....

The day before the draft we were talking about 2 picks only so clearly the debate was about whether to take a 3rd as we expected him to be gone before our pick.

 

[AM]

From the SEN Wells interview today, I gained the impression SW was disappointed at the way recruiting has played out this time around.

He was looking forward to first-round options for the first time in yonks. Kaput, gone.

After doing the deal of shopping a 2021 first rounder he had a couple of names he was extra keen on. Kaput, gone.

Put on a brave face but reckon he was not particularly chuffed.

 

[cats_09]

From the SEN Wells interview today, I gained the impression SW was disappointed at the way recruiting has played out this time around.

He was looking forward to first-round options for the first time in yonks. Kaput, gone.

After doing the deal of shopping a 2021 first rounder he had a couple of names he was extra keen on. Kaput, gone.

Put on a brave face but reckon he was not particularly chuffed.

Not sure that's how things played out in regards to the trade

Pretty sure the trade with Richmond that involved our 2021 first round pick, only took place when it actually got to pick 20 and thus we traded to that pick to select a specific player and in the case of last night it was Holmes

It's not like we traded for pick 20 earlier in the night or prior to the draft and was then totally surprised by who had been taken prior to the selection - it was a trade made with total knowledge of whom had been selected and whom was still available

So yes some players were gone, such as Oliver - but that was known prior to the deal with Richmond, so not really a surprise that he wasn't available at 20 when we traded for that pick

 

[AM]

Not sure that's how things played out in regards to the trade

Pretty sure the trade with Richmond that involved our 2021 first round pick, only took place when it actually got to pick 20 and thus we traded to that pick to select a specific player and in the case of last night it was Holmes

It's not like we traded for pick 20 earlier in the night or prior to the draft and was then totally surprised by who had been taken prior to the selection - it was a trade made with total knowledge of whom had been selected and whom was still available

So yes some players were gone, such as Oliver - but that was known prior to the deal with Richmond, so not really a surprise that he wasn't available at 20 when we traded for that pick

The timing may well have worked out that way because the Tigs came to the party late. We had being trying to get that swap for quite awhile. But there were no takers. Came late, our key priorities had vanished so we went with what we had in the kit bag. Suppose we could have reneged. No doubt we had some intel which was positive on our selection.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The timing may well have worked out that way because the Tigs came to the party late. We had being trying to get that swap for quite awhile. But there were no takers. Came late, our key priorities had vanished so we went with what we had in the kit bag. Suppose we could have reneged. No doubt we had some intel which was positive on our selection.

We traded specifically for holmes we werent disappointed to get him. Id say our disappointment was when we traded for #33 with gc we had holmes pegged for that but when we got wind melbourne was going to take him at #21 we had to trade up again. Means we had to trade more than we wanted to but shows we really rate him.

 

[BIGANT]

Some what disappointed the cat's didn't draft young Lord. Didn't rate him ahead of Neale & Stevens ? A developing kf is behind the needs of ruck and defender ?

 

[rocker_oz33]

Did anyone else like the look of Erroll.

FU swans.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Some what disappointed the cat's didn't draft young Lord. Didn't rate him ahead of Neale & Stevens ? A developing kf is behind the needs of ruck and defender ?

I think stevens is more a running defender and maybe even a mid.

Lord really slipped down didnt he.

 

[Shadow89]

We traded specifically for holmes we werent disappointed to get him. Id say our disappointment was when we traded for #33 with gc we had holmes pegged for that but when we got wind melbourne was going to take him at #21 we had to trade up again. Means we had to trade more than we wanted to but shows we really rate him.

Tbh, as I said on the night, I wouldn't have even blinked had we traded out our Future 1st to get Neale in. So, in my head I've just reversed the trades, haha.

Reckon there would have been a flow on effect if we got Holmes at 33, Neale was taken and we had a choice at 47 for Stephens or another ruck. As it stands, we got Neale who I genuinely think is a Top 20 talent - a bit like SDK and the Pick 19 he went at -, and Stephens who is one of those hidden gem state league types ala Stewart.

A bit like how things went with Fogarty being taken at 22 and then Kelly being taken at 24. Obviously Kelly was the one that should have gone higher, but, we knew we'd get him anyway so we got the one that we thought would be taken first.

Essentially I see their (true) rankings - for the time being -, like this:

Shannon Neale: Pick 20
Max Holmes: Pick 33
Nicholas Stephens: pick 47

 

[Boxhead_31]

Some what disappointed the cat's didn't draft young Lord. Didn't rate him ahead of Neale & Stevens ? A developing kf is behind the needs of ruck and defender ?

At this point, yes
We have Kruger, Sav, SDK that can all play as KPF we don't have many options for the KPD or Ruck positions before this draft

 

[Shadow89]

At this point, yes
We have Kruger, Sav, SDK that can all play as KPF we don't have many options for the KPD or Ruck positions before this draft

Spot on. Looks like each player we took was a replacement for another player we expect gone in the next couple of years -

Neale > Stanley (Ruck/Forward)
Holmes > Smith (Wingman)
Stephens > Tuohy (Half Back/Wing/Utility)

Cooper Stephens seems to have been earmarked as our Selwood replacement, but we definitely will have to just get as many quality mids via FA/Trade/Draft next year, as possible. Should be plenty available, and we'll have a bucketload of cash come 2022, so we should be able to get some quality as well

 

[year of the cat]

Tbh, as I said on the night, I wouldn't have even blinked had we traded out our Future 1st to get Neale in. So, in my head I've just reversed the trades, haha.

Reckon there would have been a flow on effect if we got Holmes at 33, Neale was taken and we had a choice at 47 for Stephens or another ruck. As it stands, we got Neale who I genuinely think is a Top 20 talent - a bit like SDK and the Pick 19 he went at -, and Stephens who is one of those hidden gem state league types ala Stewart.

A bit like how things went with Fogarty being taken at 22 and then Kelly being taken at 24. Obviously Kelly was the one that should have gone higher, but, we knew we'd get him anyway so we got the one that we thought would be taken first.

Essentially I see their (true) rankings - for the time being -, like this:

Shannon Neale: Pick 20
Max Holmes: Pick 33
Nicholas Stephens: pick 47

Holmes would have been taken by Melbourne with the next pick and I’m almost certain that the Tigers would have taken Neale with their pick shortly after we called him.

I wonder where we rated Carroll and Trew who both slipped markedly from expectations? We’re either in the thoughts at all? It looks like we will be going for mids next draft in a big way now.

 

[Turbocat]

Holmes would have been taken by Melbourne with the next pick and I’m almost certain that the Tigers would have taken Neale with their pick shortly after we called him.

I wonder where we rated Carroll and Trew who both slipped markedly from expectations? We’re either in the thoughts at all? It looks like we will be going for mids next draft in a big way now.

That sort of year. The Stevens selection shows how much we value add based on persona experience with the kid, having had him inside the club. ... yet we had not talked to Holmes for months. After years of not drafting young rucks we acquire a RokB and then draft a kid from WA ..who has more potential for wanting to go home than a Walsh for eg. yet most rucks didnt get picked. Nearly all clubs kept a list spot open ..bar Gold Coast who had a chockers list and the us by taking Stevens.... so in the end Geelong maintains its status as 'go their own way' at the draft reputation ...

and 2021 will be a constant thorn in our side but I guess ... the club will have its an eye on more than the draft. One can bemoan the trading of our r1 in a potential high end draft ... but its still would have not have been a top 5 top 10 pick...

 

[Turbocat]

We traded specifically for holmes we werent disappointed to get him. Id say our disappointment was when we traded for #33 with gc we had holmes pegged for that but when we got wind melbourne was going to take him at #21 we had to trade up again. Means we had to trade more than we wanted to but shows we really rate him.

If draft is potential and development platform then we have gone hard at the traditional side of the draft this year. In a year with even more doubt and cloud cover ..we have gone harder at the less developed player.

I suspect it would have been easy to not trade in picks at all, we traded for GC pick for hardly any cost, trade for Rich pick for what seems high cost ...all when we could have churned out the a couple of late picks ..either delisted players or mature more known players. There was no Stewart or Menegola.. in a year where it would probably have been easy to go that path.

WE drafted a kid who will probably take 3 years with our first pick, we added a WA ruck ... 3 years. The most likely to play early imo is our the third pick. ... so I read this draft as very much picking the best wine while the grapes are still on the vine. We have a settled side for the next year or two .. and then we may need some rebuilding or some youth. The players we picked ... all seem to have the raw talent to be something ... yet none really look to fill an immediate need. ..because there is no immediate need. Id say the closest to our immediate need may be a KPB..if Henderson falls over or Blitz is required elsewhere... but it shows how much the clubs rates SDek imo. It would seem they see him playing at some stage in 2021.

On Holmes I suspect you are right .. we looked at who we saw as the best poteial development kid ..and said we want Holmes. Other clubs wanted him as well , but we went harder as were prepared to pay a higher cost due to not really having an issue waiting for 2 years plus. Every year has its ups and downs.. every draft is a super draft and every clubs walks away happy with its haul.

Like any draft pick ..selections and choices could fall over or be made look silly .. but one cant deny that nearly all three picks have underlying potential. I guess id ask with Stevens selection .. does he become a back or a mid. They have seen him internally , in and around ..and who knows..does a spot open up ..kolo is a fa in 2021.
For 2021. ..the VFL side will be at least interesting. Who plays ruck . Who plays at KPP. etc.

 

[Turbocat]

Tbh, as I said on the night, I wouldn't have even blinked had we traded out our Future 1st to get Neale in. So, in my head I've just reversed the trades, haha.

Reckon there would have been a flow on effect if we got Holmes at 33, Neale was taken and we had a choice at 47 for Stephens or another ruck. As it stands, we got Neale who I genuinely think is a Top 20 talent - a bit like SDK and the Pick 19 he went at -, and Stephens who is one of those hidden gem state league types ala Stewart.

A bit like how things went with Fogarty being taken at 22 and then Kelly being taken at 24. Obviously Kelly was the one that should have gone higher, but, we knew we'd get him anyway so we got the one that we thought would be taken first.

Essentially I see their (true) rankings - for the time being -, like this:

Shannon Neale: Pick 20
Max Holmes: Pick 33
Nicholas Stephens: pick 47

who knows really ... plenty on here would not have minded using P20 to get someone like Carroll. go back a month or two ..some thought Trew at 20 would be good. Your point on Fogarty and Kelly is an excellent one... its not so much on value... simply our first chance to select , our second chance to select.. will he be there at our next pick yes or no