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[longtimecat]

From left field, watched Will Sutherland play in big bash last night. I can’t see him ever wearing a baggy green. Any chance he may choose to return to footy and join his old man at the cats. He would be a handy cat B rookie he is a big strong unit and was sought after in his draft year.

 

[Cataholic]

From left field, watched Will Sutherland play in big bash last night. I can’t see him ever wearing a baggy green. Any chance he may choose to return to footy and join his old man at the cats. He would be a handy cat B rookie he is a big strong unit and was sought after in his draft year.

Got to agree....... He believes he has more skill as a cricketer than a footy player, but he looks average with bat and ball.

 

[Ray Donovan]

Good points, for sure.
But unfortunately many complete ruptures are not always severely painful at the time of injury. The classic was Lenny Hayes who felt nqr during a game, got his knee checked post game by the med staff, and total rupture.
Then, there are plenty of acute severely painful injuries where the edict is "ACL tear until proven otherwise"- sounds like yours.

We like to think of many of these as stress injuries.
Sometimes the mechanism of injury is so trivial and innocuous that the player can not believe they have one.
On the other hand, there are quite a few who do completely tear their ACL's, have no other associated injuries, and simply do not want a recon.
Additionally, studies have shown that virtually 100% of those who tear an ACL get OA, with or without a recon. They used to think a recon may be protective, sadly not so.

Unfortunately the First part or the post I explained the difference in pain between ruptures and tears. I was talking specifically about "tears" being considerably more painful as I have told by a specialist.

But i mean I'm not going to go too deep into the conversation about what people can and cannot do through serious injury.

Lenny hayes is a freak case but they don't know when he ruptured it could of been a strain and he finished it off in the last quarter not like he had an MRI at half time.

I remember it was freakish was rumoured he might of played the previous two games with a small tear in his knee. I remember the surgeon was amazed with the stability. But for the other 95% of cases generally not so pretty I am basing it on the normal not the 5%.

And we need to be a bit careful because when we say no pain as I said the large majority of people can't wait bear when they rupture the ACL. So yes it's not like breaking a leg where it's a sharp pain but then the leg swells up and your usually on crutches close to a hospital hopefully. Ask a guy who ruptures an ACL hiking what the next 10 kms back were like. If you need to walk on the leg its generally excruciatingly painful. So we need to keep some context. But to just stand immobilized it's o.k you can definitely find safe comfortable conditions. Also sometimes not lol it's a raffle.

Lenny has strong quads, hamstring hips pro athlete. After you do one ACL 30% of AFL footballers do it again within 5 years good or bad knee. Fast forward 5 years for lenny



Complete rupture again except this one popped well looks painful 2011 didnt play that game out so same player different traditional end scenario. The main difficulty is mental with ACLs.

Within 10 days not being able to use the leg all your muscle is gone. You generally can't train on it some can not majority.



Fighters fight with broken hands this guy David Goggins is crazy broke both feet running 100 mile race and pissing blood finished the 100 miles haha

A Navy SEAL who finished a 100-mile race with broken bones and peeing blood shares his 2 strategies for building mental toughness

Navy SEAL David Goggins regularly puts himself through intense challenges of the mind and body. Here's how he gets through it all.

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So yes I know what adrenaline and will power will get you through. But don't fall into the trap of thinking because they played out a game they aren't in pain while they are doing the activity. I think until you have pinged your knee or ACL you can't really understand completely what it's like.

I'm not sure what you mean by plenty by extremely painful injuries that is ACL until proven otherwise doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean are we talking watching someone get injured and then making an assumption like an AFL supporter on how they fell etc.

Or from a logistical standpoint the lachman stress test the physios do at the professional level can Test the ACL straight away they get it like 85% accurate they just twist your leg testing ACL laxity and pcl, mcl, lcl.

So Physios and clubs will be pretty confident and have ruptures of the ACL diagnosed within 1 minute in 80 to 90% of cases. Or be confident damage has been sustained to that area grade 1 or 2. Because they can specifically test the 4 majors.

I mean with the don't want a recon part yes if your job and well being doesn't require any hard physical activity that's fine. If you hold no interest in getting back to sport or work limitations. Fine my post was more referring to how the system works in general. Australia spends about 140odd million a year on knee surgeries alone. Highest in the world literally country can't afford to give everyone on Medicare who does a knee a recon simply too expensive. So a lot of people who want a traditional knee reco will be put on long wait lists or told to rehab the knee for 12 months because it's not urgent. I did two mains at once so I'm urgent otherwise I wouldn't have been offered a reco. Waitlist and by the time it comes up a lot of people simply don't want to have a hamstring graft and another few months off work. People literally can't afford it most families with mortgages can't stop working for multiple months.

But in a perfect world with lots of money and time and you could have which ever option you choose i think surgery would be favored and quality of life I think would be improved overall. That's just my opinion.

In an AFL sense it's not a question its non negotiable!

So my opinion is if you work a physical job or have sporting ambitions, horse riding etc depending on your income level. Because rehab sometimes just doesn't work to the level people need occassionally.

There is no study with osteoarthritis I just assume most that have had surgery will get it 4 or 5 times more likely. But there is no study that says 100%

 

[Ray Donovan]

I thought joel’s problem last year was hamstring related. Not knee?

Cats adamant Selwood's knee problem is improving

Scott says Joel Selwood is in better shape than he has been in all season.

www.geelongcats.com.au

Hamstring and knee are all very interlinked very common for one area to be sore and affecting another area or vice versa.

Joel has publicly said he is not dealing with tendinitis. But seriously the guy is a bull do you ask a bull if its carrying an injury lol.

Check this article from 2008 by Peter Hanlon tools some large risks drafting him and knee trouble later was always a chance. He is just so diligent and professional he keeps getting on the field year after year.

Joel Selwood: On Mended Knee

I read this great reflective piece from Peter Hanlon in this mornings 'The Age' and thought i'd post it for those who haven't seen it. I really enjoyed the look back at how Joel got to the club and the concerns with his knees, so hopefully others enjoy it as well. Joel Selwood: On mended...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Down at K Park]

Cats adamant Selwood's knee problem is improving

Scott says Joel Selwood is in better shape than he has been in all season.

www.geelongcats.com.au

Hamstring and knee are all very interlinked very common for one area to be sore and affecting another area or vice versa.

Joel has publicly said he is not dealing with tendinitis. But seriously the guy is a bull do you ask a bull if its carrying an injury lol.

Check this article from 2008 by Peter Hanlon tools some large risks drafting him and knee trouble later was always a chance. He is just so diligent and professional he keeps getting on the field year after year.

Joel Selwood: On Mended Knee

I read this great reflective piece from Peter Hanlon in this mornings 'The Age' and thought i'd post it for those who haven't seen it. I really enjoyed the look back at how Joel got to the club and the concerns with his knees, so hopefully others enjoy it as well. Joel Selwood: On mended...

www.bigfooty.com

Probably so. But he did have hamstring surgery. Not knee.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Tim Kelly watch as of a couple of days ago.
Eagles completed a 2km time trial upon returning from the Xmas break - many players bettered their late 2019 times but not sure about Tim.
Apparently he clocked a "solid" time - they showed footage of him during the run and OMG his running style looked very laboured , struggled big time
Quite a hot day yet strangely he was wearing several layers under his jumper - maybe he's morphing the Motlop vest
Really looked out of shape to be honest
Will be interesting how he plays in the early games

 

[Vdubs]

Tim Kelly watch as of a couple of days ago.
Eagles completed a 2km time trial upon returning from the Xmas break - many players bettered their late 2019 times but not sure about Tim.
Apparently he clocked a "solid" time - they showed footage of him during the run and OMG his running style looked very laboured , struggled big time
Quite a hot day yet strangely he was wearing several layers under his jumper - maybe he's morphing the Motlop vest
Really looked out of shape to be honest
Will be interesting how he plays in the early games

He is one of those players that is a natural it seems. I doubt his January fatness bears any relevance to what he dishes up this year.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Tim Kelly watch as of a couple of days ago.
Eagles completed a 2km time trial upon returning from the Xmas break - many players bettered their late 2019 times but not sure about Tim.
Apparently he clocked a "solid" time - they showed footage of him during the run and OMG his running style looked very laboured , struggled big time
Quite a hot day yet strangely he was wearing several layers under his jumper - maybe he's morphing the Motlop vest
Really looked out of shape to be honest
Will be interesting how he plays in the early games

He'll be fine. Consummate professional. Large amount of respect for him

 

[Hamingja]

He'll be fine. Consummate professional. Large amount of respect for him

He was for us but he was playing for his next contract. Now that he has a six year contract and set his family up for life we'll see if the hunger is still there.

 

[sydney_gws]

Got to agree....... He believes he has more skill as a cricketer than a footy player, but he looks average with bat and ball.

only one run from last 5 balls of the innings, looked slow at running between wickets.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He was for us but he was playing for his next contract. Now that he has a six year contract and set his family up for life we'll see if the hunger is still there.

I guess we'll see but I'd be expecting a continuation of current trends with him

 

[00VicWard001]

He is one of those players that is a natural it seems. I doubt his January fatness bears any relevance to what he dishes up this year.

Willie Rioli looked out of shape in 2018 and was a a gun, however... no matter any players talent - it’s a huge no no to come back out of shape.

Maybe, just maybe... now hear me out - Tim actually didn’t like the Eagles or the Dockers because they kept passing him over and this is his way of a little bit of payback...”Now you want Tim? Now you got (fat) Tim!”

He did the right thing by not doing this to the club that he truly loved (Geelong) - giving us the best (and leanest) years of his career.

 

[00VicWard001]

He was for us but he was playing for his next contract. Now that he has a six year contract and set his family up for life we'll see if the hunger is still there.

Clearly the hunger is there. Just not the type of hunger that the Eagles expected

 

[foxdog50]

The Academy is like the old zoning system. Some clubs have a tremendous advantage.

Can someone please tell me our Academy Area, Is that just the city of Geelong & District??

Hello everyone, First time iv been back on here for over 2 months, hope all been going well.

 

[foxdog50]

Do either of the NSW clubs get access to players who play in the Ovens and Murray league (and Bushrangers)?

Many southern NSW kids are born into AFL footy families and should not be part of academies. I think in the past some have been available to Sydney or GWS.

NSW kids who attend private schools in Victoria (big AFL influence) also should not be available. Same here I think some kids who have been at an AFL school but have family in NSW have been elegible for selection by NSW clubs.

I would be keen to hear from someone who knows more than I do.

As living up that way, This part is rubbish, NSW teams in the Ovens & Murray they can be picked up by GWS as its in there zone, where its bulls!t as all along Southern NSW is all AFL and that should be open to anyone. Eg If Hawkins didn't get picked up bu as a F/S he would of had the option to be in the GWS Zone

 

[Landgraft]

Can someone please tell me our Academy Area, Is that just the city of Geelong & District??

Hello everyone, First time iv been back on here for over 2 months, hope all been going well.

Geelong Region and also East Arnhem are our Next Generation Academy areas, but we only get access to multicultural, indigenous, etc. kids.

 

[foxdog50]

Geelong Region and also East Arnhem are our Next Generation Academy areas, but we only get access to multicultural, indigenous, etc. kids.

Thanks for the info, Why is it we can only go for Multicultural & Indigenous kids? Is that the same deal for all Victorian Clubs?

 

[cats_09]

Thanks for the info, Why is it we can only go for Multicultural & Indigenous kids? Is that the same deal for all Victorian Clubs?

Yep - thinking it's the same deal for probably all clubs other than the NSW & QLD clubs

From the AFL website:
A key objective of the NGA's is to increase the talent pool of Indigenous and Multicultural players. These groups are significantly under-represented in the AFL comparative to the population, and therefore AFL Clubs are incentivised through draft concessions for their role in growing this talent pool. However, the primary function of the NGA's is to provide a Club based talent program to all kids, using the AFL Clubs' profile and expertise to raise awareness and interest in the programs.

Full info, including maps on the AFL website is available here: https://www.afl.com.au/discover/competitions/next-generation-and-club-academy-programs

Updated club info from November last year: https://www.geelongcats.com.au/experience/community/next-gen/

 

[Landgraft]

Thanks for the info, Why is it we can only go for Multicultural & Indigenous kids? Is that the same deal for all Victorian Clubs?

The idea behind academies is to expand the draft pool into talent currently not being looked at seriously or as much.

Geelong teens who have grown up with footy are generally assumed to have the opportunities needed and so aren't targeted by academy programs - this is the same for most of the Vic/SA/WA kids. Only genuinely non football areas (in the eyes of the AFL) get blanket academy coverage to try and support grassroots/junior footy in those areas - so basically all of NSW and QLD, as divvied up between those four clubs.

If we had blanket academy access to the Geelong region then I think opposition supporters heads would explode to see us pick up for e.g. Sam Walsh.

 

[Larry Donohue]

The idea behind academies is to expand the draft pool into talent currently not being looked at seriously or as much.

Geelong teens who have grown up with footy are generally assumed to have the opportunities needed and so aren't targeted by academy programs - this is the same for most of the Vic/SA/WA kids. Only genuinely non football areas (in the eyes of the AFL) get blanket academy coverage to try and support grassroots/junior footy in those areas - so basically all of NSW and QLD, as divvied up between those four clubs.

If we had blanket academy access to the Geelong region then I think opposition supporters heads would explode to see us pick up for e.g. Sam Walsh.

As it should be that their heads explode

 

[catswhiskers]

As living up that way, This part is rubbish, NSW teams in the Ovens & Murray they can be picked up by GWS as its in there zone, where its bulls!t as all along Southern NSW is all AFL and that should be open to anyone. Eg If Hawkins didn't get picked up bu as a F/S he would of had the option to be in the GWS Zone

Thanks for your reply.
So the situation re NSW AFL teams is that for teams playing in the O&Murray kids that are living in NSW are available for GWS zone / academy selection. So Lavington, Albury and Nth Albury, Corowa kids.

I am not quite sure of the bit about the rest of the NSW kids along the Murray - they are zoned to GWS / Swans?

I lived in O&M country for a number of years and am aware that AFL has a strong presence in towns North of the Murray. For example I always assumed Mulwala kids play with Yarrawonga, and have assumed most kids in NSW towns on the Murray play AFL as their winter sport generally.

It has always struck me that as a device to promote GWS in its early years that was a bearable advantage but if Sydney have rights down that far also its unfair. At this point in time its becoming unfair for GWS to continue to have first dibs along the NSW side of the Murray IMO.

Obviously I know just enough to be dangerous in the discussion and as I asked in my original post clarity from better informed posters is a big help.

 

[BORIS332]

Cats adamant Selwood's knee problem is improving

Scott says Joel Selwood is in better shape than he has been in all season.

www.geelongcats.com.au

Hamstring and knee are all very interlinked very common for one area to be sore and affecting another area or vice versa.

Joel has publicly said he is not dealing with tendinitis. But seriously the guy is a bull do you ask a bull if its carrying an injury lol.

Check this article from 2008 by Peter Hanlon tools some large risks drafting him and knee trouble later was always a chance. He is just so diligent and professional he keeps getting on the field year after year.

Joel Selwood: On Mended Knee

I read this great reflective piece from Peter Hanlon in this mornings 'The Age' and thought i'd post it for those who haven't seen it. I really enjoyed the look back at how Joel got to the club and the concerns with his knees, so hopefully others enjoy it as well. Joel Selwood: On mended...

www.bigfooty.com

As far as I know, that is only true for knee reconstructions because they take out some hamstring and fashion it into a new knee tendon. Otherwise not much correlation.

 

[Landgraft]

Thanks for your reply.
So the situation re NSW AFL teams is that for teams playing in the O&Murray kids that are living in NSW are available for GWS zone / academy selection. So Lavington, Albury and Nth Albury, Corowa kids.

I am not quite sure of the bit about the rest of the NSW kids along the Murray - they are zoned to GWS / Swans?

I lived in O&M country for a number of years and am aware that AFL has a strong presence in towns North of the Murray. For example I always assumed Mulwala kids play with Yarrawonga, and have assumed most kids in NSW towns on the Murray play AFL as their winter sport generally.

It has always struck me that as a device to promote GWS in its early years that was a bearable advantage but if Sydney have rights down that far also its unfair. At this point in time its becoming unfair for GWS to continue to have first dibs along the NSW side of the Murray IMO.

Obviously I know just enough to be dangerous in the discussion and as I asked in my original post clarity from better informed posters is a big help.

In Albury and along the Murray it's actually another NGA area, they don't just get blanket access there (it changed in 2017 because of complaints about it being not right as an academy area).

The other part is the kids have to have actually gone through the academy program. So in theory Sav could have been eligible, but was never in the Giants academy (maybe would have been if they'd known in advance it would only be NGA).

 

[catswhiskers]

In Albury and along the Murray it's actually another NGA area, they don't just get blanket access there (it changed in 2017 because of complaints about it being not right as an academy area).

The other part is the kids have to have actually gone through the academy program. So in theory Sav could have been eligible, but was never in the Giants academy (maybe would have been if they'd known in advance it would only be NGA).

So it has changed and now it is an NGA area like Geelong and district. That's fair.

Can GWS identify a kid in southern NSW (who is already an AFL player) at say 14 and take him under their wing (academy) and once they complete the program they are academy priority selections if good enough?

I have no problem with NSW sides converting strapping NRL/BBallers etc lads into AFL footballers (just as we in G&D will be trying to convert BBallers and Soccer types). That is a positive for our game overall.

Anyway maybe a game of footy will break out soon to keep me better occupied!

 

[foxdog50]

Yep - thinking it's the same deal for probably all clubs other than the NSW & QLD clubs

From the AFL website:
A key objective of the NGA's is to increase the talent pool of Indigenous and Multicultural players. These groups are significantly under-represented in the AFL comparative to the population, and therefore AFL Clubs are incentivised through draft concessions for their role in growing this talent pool. However, the primary function of the NGA's is to provide a Club based talent program to all kids, using the AFL Clubs' profile and expertise to raise awareness and interest in the programs.

Full info, including maps on the AFL website is available here: https://www.afl.com.au/discover/competitions/next-generation-and-club-academy-programs

Updated club info from November last year: https://www.geelongcats.com.au/experience/community/next-gen/

Thanks for the information