Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[Shadow89]

Looks like our pick 50 has come in by 8 (all Pies & Dogs picks)... Pick #42 without doing a thing.
Becomes more enticing for clubs to trade for along with let's say.. Pick 32 or 34?
On another note. Interesting to see that the Tigers have 26-27-28. That is a great hand to have.
Now we see if we nab a DFA or two. That will dictate how many picks we will need.

Was just thinking this. I'd be more keen to hold onto 50 at this stage -given it's more valuable to us as it's coming in so much-, and use say 30 and 32 to trade up to 23 and a Future 3rd - which is more valuable to the Dogs.

If we pick up Schlensog or Brander, we automatically only have 4 selections. If we pick up both, we have 3 - and this is without upgrading Close or Atkins.

Pretty confident we'll be looking to move up IMO - especially if we pick up a DFA or two.

Don't think it's just the Dogs that we'd be looking at either, as say someone like the Hawks might be interested in nabbing a couple of slightly later picks, to maximize their chances of picking up more new talent for their list.

Gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out...

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Totally agree, been outplayed by the Tigers here, so really only 22 will bring a mid the 'smart' recruiters rate, and we will then end up with 3 picks just after Richmond 5 picks, to pick the less likely/more risky ones. Far better to trade 2 of those for one before 26 so we at least get2 decent mids in that are lower risk.

Not too sure about that... I don't think pick 27 would be our priority.
Pick 23 yes... but i think a pick in the teens might be on our radar TBH.
Be it 18 or 16 even 13 as the Giants have Fahey to pay for, who is touted as a 20-30 pick.

 

[BigCat1]

WB know that Daicos will be bid first.

Therefore the order of the draft and point values change if a trade is done on the night which makes more sense.

After Daicos goes instantaneously our picks become #23, #31, #33, #35 and #46

The WB will want the point value of #24 covered + a extra points + a Future pick.

If we trade 33, 35 + our F3 for #24 (300 points + F3rd). They would still have a live pick at 47 this year which then comes into #42 as they wipe out 1750 points for Darcy. Be a dream for them.

They would leave us with #24, #25, #32 & #43 on the night.

Everyone seems to win. Decent price to pay and maybe we could get away with Haw F4th but unlikely.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I feel pretty certain that Taylor will be a bolter and gone before our first pick. The only weaknesses Knightmare could list for him are "limited scoreboard impact, unclear forward capabilities, lack of height and size", none of which are major flaws given he's 180cm. He also has him ranked at #14.

I think Alleer and maybe 1 or 2 others might bolt into the first round too. But that will mean someone like Chesser, Sonsie, Draper, or Goater could slip through.

I think taylor deserves to bolt up on ability but players of his size often slide. Its probably more likely a tall bolts up given the lack of quality talls kn this draft compared to mids. But i agree either way we will get good players in the second round.

 

[catempire]

You said:

"I can’t engage with a starting premise that finishing 8th in a B&F is “pretty bad”. Utter nonsense."

So how did you rate Blicavs year given he finished 6th?

Looking at your recent views on him you seem to think he had a pretty bad year. Is that opinion also "utter nonsense"? Or did you think he had a good year despite all your criticism of him? Or are you being completely inconsistent?

You would have a point if I had at any stage described Blicavs’ season as “pretty bad”. I haven’t.

Again, describing the season of a player who finished 8th in the B&F as “pretty bad” is plain and simple nonsense.

 

[Down at K Park]

Brander delisted "to explore other opportunities".q

Be interesting to see if we look at him as a DFA.

Wants to go to a club that will play him as a 3rd tall. A position we are very thin in. We could very well look at him.

I haven’t seen him play, so can’t comment on whether he’s worth a spot or not.

 

[Cat Addict]

"Club sources said the Pies have traded pick 27 for the Tigers’ picks 38 and 40 in this year’s draft and their third-round pick in next year’s draft." - source

So Tigers gave up 894 points in this year's draft for 703 points, roughly an extra 200 points for the Pies plus next year's 3rd rounder. So 200-300 point upgrade is probably around the mark of what these club's are asking for.

191 points this year and (250-220 next year) value of a late 3rd rounder (top 4). That's over 400 point or >50% increase on pick 27 (703)...

The same return for pick 23(815) would be 500 ish points extra 1200 odd. That would be like pick 34(542) + pick 50 (273) plus Carlton F3rd... (380ish) for 23, that feels like alot. I don't see pick 50 being a good one to trade it's points for as nearly the whole first half of the 3rd round will be whipped out for bid matches. So its more like a start of 3rd round pick.

I would offer pick 32(584) + 34(542) = 1126 and a future 3rd (380). For 23(815) and 52(246) = 1061 from the Doggies..

Pick 52 would be in the low 40's and 34 is at least pick 36 so not much a downgrade really... worth a shot.

 

[Turbocat]

Im not sure about alleer. His intercept marking is very good and given the lack of kpds in this draft he will get taken but his kicking is iffy so given our defence already has several average kicks in it im not sure hes the right fit for us. Id prefer dean personally.

But i like the trade up idea to get 23.

I cant say I was dooling at alleer kicking. I think we might have a similar player on our list in Sav if we wanted to train him as a defender. Strong overhead no doubt. Dean as a KPP? Im not against adding him but I suspect he is a good season or two on thick shakes to be at the stage of handling big forwards... so Im think all the options have their own little chinks.

Any idea how Morrison went ta the combine?

 

[Turbocat]

I reckon it might depend who is available on the night.

We have shown a willingness to do it. If there is the right player there at the right pick... etc.


but with the Dogs pick of 23 ... I think that will be traded before the draft. The Dogs will have to use it very early ..in the first five players ... so I cant see it being a matter of who is available at that stage

 

[Cat Addict]

Just out of interest

Collingwood

36, 38, 40, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78, 79

Western Bulldogs

23, 43, 44, 45, 52, 93

Right now (taking 23 out of it) at least 36, 38, 40, 43, 44, 45, 46, 48 (8 picks) get whipped out!

 

[Turbocat]

I agree with your points on big mids, but I think Knightmare's analysis is consistent with that also. He's said Knevitt doesn't just rely on his size, as highlighted by his quick 20m sprint and 2km time trial. He also uses his height with his overhead marking, something a lot of those failed big mids don't do. My big concern with Knevitt is his kicking.

Yep he has the pepper and the salt...for his size that would be attractive.

 

[Two Planks]

So 23 a 52 for 32 and 34 sound fair. Bulldogs don't have as many list spots available as the pies so don't think they will do the 3 for 1 like Collingwood and Richmond.

 

[Turbocat]

Just out of interest

Collingwood

36, 38, 40, 46, 48, 55, 58, 78, 79

Western Bulldogs

23, 43, 44, 45, 52, 93

Right now (taking 23 out of it) at least 36, 38, 40, 43, 44, 45, 46, 48 (8 picks) get whipped out!

how many spots do Coll have... they seem flush with picks.

 

[Turbocat]

So 23 a 52 for 32 and 34 sound fair. Bulldogs don't have as many list spots available as the pies so don't think they will do the 3 for 1 like Collingwood and Richmond.

I think they have more points than they need...

I suspect they will want something in 2022 for the trade.

eg. 34 and and our R2... If we finish top4 its a pick in the 30's in 2022 ... thats about 250 point less this year but they gain a R2 next year

 

[Turbocat]

Brander delisted "to explore other opportunities".q

Be interesting to see if we look at him as a DFA.

If he is someone we think can play KPD, otherwize ..can he become a mid? Just how much is a lack of opportunity and how much a failure to meet the level.

 

[OzeSparky]

Interestingly, Knightmare rates Leek Alleer as the best KPD in the draft this year after his record-breaking vertical jump. Also rates Knevitt as a round one prospect. His draft combine wrap is a good read:

AFL Draft Combine wrap - the standouts, surprises and how to interpret it all

This year, several draft combines were held around the country. Who stood out and performed the best? ESPN's Draft expert Chris Doerre runs his eye over all the action.

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Alaistair Lord
Now thats a name that belongs at Geelong.

 

[Turbocat]

I agree..i mean for them the value is in having all of 26 27 and 28 it allows you to risk more on one pick because you know who your next pick will be but still they overpaid.

The pick 2 trade by collingwood was horrendous (and shows why i hope we dont trade our future 1st this year) but their trades the last few weeks have been good.

I think there is a little warning in the results the last couple of years. No matter the list..you can have a upchuck year. How did Melb finish so badley to get Jackson ... after playing in the finals. Collingwood may try to say they got players last year but it was a horrid trade. They could have added a gun kid for nothing in a 2 for 1 situation

 

[GeelongFTW]

yo how do Richmond have pick 7. Did they pillage Gold Coast for a future pick like what we did or something?

 

[cats_09]

I would prefer to leave our last rookie spot open and get a bunch of players in to train with us (including CC) and if he improves his endurancd markers a lot then re-list him in march. That way we keep our options open. Be interesting to see what we do.

I agree with something Turbo said last week - Constable would be better off looking at something like the WAFL for a year and resetting on his career because I doubt that happens if he stays with us as a rookie next year

 

[Two Planks]

yo how do Richmond have pick 7. Did they pillage Gold Coast for a future pick like what we did or something?

They finished 7th from bottom

 

[cats_09]

yo how do Richmond have pick 7. Did they pillage Gold Coast for a future pick like what we did or something?

They got pick 7 for being shit this past season

 

[PzBlinky]

yo how do Richmond have pick 7. Did they pillage Gold Coast for a future pick like what we did or something?

Nope. It's a blessing (or curse) of following the Cats. While we rarely tumble down the table, it's pretty normal for other teams after their little runs.

They finished 12th, no priority picks, so 7th.

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AFL Ladder information including games played, won, drawn, lost, points and percentages from the official website of the Australian Football League.

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[PeasFC]

Im not sure about alleer. His intercept marking is very good and given the lack of kpds in this draft he will get taken but his kicking is iffy so given our defence already has several average kicks in it im not sure hes the right fit for us. Id prefer dean personally.

But i like the trade up idea to get 23.

At least Dean we can rookie
I'm with you, lets take at least 3 Mids this year.
Get them in around Stephens and Holmes and least start building our next midfield.
There is lots of depth in the mids this year so not a bad time to get a few in.

 

[BORIS332]

how many spots do Coll have... they seem flush with picks.

I believe they only have four senior list spots. They got rid of six (Rantall, Lynch, Greenwood, Thomas, Sier and Mayne) and brought in two (Kreuger and Lipinski).

They have picks 36, 38, 40, 46, 48, 55 and 58 - I think this means they can't take 48, 55 or 58 to the draft to match bids/draft players without further delistings?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You'd think Brander already has a likely destination.