Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[BORIS332]

Of course, if you're really good at Parfitt's role - defensive inside mid - then you can both tackle and get the ball; like our new assistant coach, James Kelly.

At the same age:

Name	Age	Season	Games	Kicks	Handballs	Disposals	Marks	Goals	Behinds	Tackles	Hitouts	Frees For	Frees Against
Brandan Parfitt	23yr 5mth	2021	23	9.8	9	18.8	1.4	0.3	0.3	5.6	0	1.5	1.3
James Kelly	Turned 23 in 2006	2006	15	8.9	7.9	16.9	3.2	0.5	0.1	2.7	0.1	0.5	0.7

 

[FredLeDeux]

At the same age:

Name	Age	Season	Games	Kicks	Handballs	Disposals	Marks	Goals	Behinds	Tackles	Hitouts	Frees For	Frees Against
Brandan Parfitt	23yr 5mth	2021	23	9.8	9	18.8	1.4	0.3	0.3	5.6	0	1.5	1.3
James Kelly	Turned 23 in 2006	2006	15	8.9	7.9	16.9	3.2	0.5	0.1	2.7	0.1	0.5	0.7

Kelly didn't start playing in Parfitt's role until after that.

 

[Turbocat]

Watching highlight videos of prospective draftees gives a false perception.
Especially when looking at the physical attributes and general skills.
The value of Footy Smarts is often under valued... or overlooked.
Simply compare the Footy Smarts of the Cats team from the golden era to the present squad.
Gazza, Stevie-J, Bartel, Enright, Scarlet. Kelly, Corey, Harley Mackie Milburn, Ling, Varco etc...
Virtually every player had footy smarts in abundance
The current Cats team has Blitz, Kolo, Esava, Atkins, Holmes and O'Connor with below par footy nouse.
This is 1 in 3 players with questions marks on Stanley, Touhy and others.
I suggest this could this be the reason for our recent final failures.

Footy Smarts is a big reason why so many drafted kids fail to make it at AFL level.
Not just the kind of smarts picked up from playing the game for years..
Also the academic smarts of being able to pick up skills and learn things quickly.
Please get this right this time Mr Wells.

Perhaps Holmes is a little like that.

IMO, it's been a fair while since we have had guys who had a surplus of athletic talent yet little footy nous. David Clark Jr was a classic, and we do have some like Blitz in the club, perhaps Sav but its others that seemed to be failing and being delisted. I suspect the vast majority of our failures, like Constable, have been due to a lack of some form of talent. Footy nous is one of those but so are the measurables in a combine. I believe what we need is to be earlier in the que. Its where nous and talent have a convergence.

 

[Turbocat]

Those who can (win the ball), do. Those who can’t tackle. That’s Parfitt. Useful but limited player.

sort of like teachers..?

 

[BORIS332]

Kelly didn't start playing in Parfitt's role until after that.

Nonsense. Kelly was playing midfield from his debut.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Nonsense. Kelly was playing midfield from his debut.

He didn't start playing as defensive inside mid until his 6th season or so, and rapidly became the League's best (or equal best, with Sewell).
Until then, with time off and recovering from the broken leg, he played the usual beginner's mix of hff with occasional runs on the ball.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Can we focus on the draft or delisted free agents rather than clogging up the thread about a particular players performance, or lack of?

Thanks, much appreciated.

 

[Hamingja]

I'm against initiating draft pick only trades on principal. You see teams either paying a principal or gambling for little gain with a huge potential to be burnt. facilitating other teams desires seems to be much more profitable

You only really want to do it with GC & GWS (or Ned guy last year) who don't value draft picks. The trade that Richmond did was very expensive. We can't afford to throw away picks like that, particularly next years ones where we are going to need to use them with the projected list changes.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Sort of a big deal for midfielders. If you have the footy, and give it to a teammate then your opponents don't have it and cannot score.

Seeing no interest from anyone in Constable and Dunstan being left in limbo must be a real shock to your core beliefs about footy. Then Tom Mitchell, the highest disposal player in the comp this year, gets offered up for trade and gets no interest while a big offer comes in for Chad Wingard. GWS wanted Parfitt (but not Constable) last year and then our coaches had the temerity to insult Selwood by rating Parfitt's season this year as comparable in the B&F. The horror! Don't they understand that disposals are what matter?

But don't worry it must be the entire AFL industry that's wrong, not you.

 

[tielgaz]

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Can we focus on the draft or delisted free agents rather than clogging up the thread about a particular players performance, or lack of?

Thanks, much appreciated.

Agree. meaning stats doing my head in.

 

[BORIS332]

Seeing no interest from anyone in Constable and Dunstan being left in limbo must be a real shock to your core beliefs about footy. Then Tom Mitchell, the highest disposal player in the comp this year, gets offered up for trade and gets no interest while a big offer comes in for Chad Wingard. GWS wanted Parfitt (but not Constable) last year and then our coaches had the temerity to insult Selwood by rating Parfitt's season this year as comparable in the B&F. The horror! Don't they understand that disposals are what matter?

But don't worry it must be the entire AFL industry that's wrong, not you.

Relevant username.

 

[Sire of Claude]

The point about footy smarts is spot-on - was it Heckler?

Andy McGrath played his first years in the back pocket; Kelly played some mid-field for the outset. Parfitt can only play mid-field: how often do we see him streaming from the centre bounce and hitting someone on the chest?

Anyway I think we're agreed that we urgently need classy mid-fielders; given the disagreement I've seen on the phantom drafts we might be luck enough to get one or two. One kid, Ulwun is it, is never mentioned on some but is rated top 15 on two.

 

[BORIS332]

Harvey Harrison (181cm, 71kg) from SA is an interesting one. He just won the 20m sprint at the SA combine (2.85s), came 4th in the 2km time trial (6:37) and 3rd in the standing vertical (70cm).

Had some enormous games in the SANFL U19s for North Adelaide:
R2: 31 disposals, 7 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal, 5 behinds
R7: 26 disposals, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 4 goals
R9: 32 disposals, 3 tackles, 6 clearances, 2 goals

By all reports he didn't get much of a run at the champs. He was emergency for the first game, and when he did play he was stationed up forward. Match reviews say he has damaging skills and works hard defensively. He doesn't feature in any phantom drafts so he could be a late value pick.

Skip to the 50sec mark of the below.

 

[Shadow89]

Harvey Harrison (181cm, 71kg) from SA is an interesting one. He just won the 20m sprint at the SA combine (2.85s), came 4th in the 2km time trial (6:37) and 3rd in the standing vertical (70cm).

Had some enormous games in the SANFL U19s for North Adelaide:
R2: 31 disposals, 7 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal, 5 behinds
R7: 26 disposals, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 4 goals
R9: 32 disposals, 3 tackles, 6 clearances, 2 goals

By all reports he didn't get much of a run at the champs. He was emergency for the first game, and when he did play he was stationed up forward. Match reviews say he has damaging skills and works hard defensively. He doesn't feature in any phantom drafts so he could be a late value pick.

Skip to the 50sec mark of the below.

Really strong running for that goal - impressive. Absolute mongrel kick with the first clip of his kicking at 52 seconds or so though, haha.

 

[calder_daddy]

Seeing no interest from anyone in Constable and Dunstan being left in limbo must be a real shock to your core beliefs about footy. Then Tom Mitchell, the highest disposal player in the comp this year, gets offered up for trade and gets no interest while a big offer comes in for Chad Wingard. GWS wanted Parfitt (but not Constable) last year and then our coaches had the temerity to insult Selwood by rating Parfitt's season this year as comparable in the B&F. The horror! Don't they understand that disposals are what matter?

But don't worry it must be the entire AFL industry that's wrong, not you.

POTY Nomination

 

[Warhorse]

He registered 20 disposals or more in 11/22 games (excluding the Semi where he got injured). Don't forget his average TOG% is 69%, aka less than 3/4 game time.

All of the people bagging Parfitt were no doubt the same people calling Hawkins and Guthrie liabilities. Parfitt is 23 years of age and his numbers stack up to the #1 draft pick from his draft:

Draft Pick	Player	Current Team	Career games	2021 Avg. Disposals	2021 Avg. Tackles
26	Brandan Parfitt	Geelong	95	18.8	5.6
1	Andrew McGrath	Essendon	93	22.6	4.4

He's going into his 6th season.

• Bartel only averaged 23 disposals in his fifth season, just four more disposals than Parf did this year, and in a much less defensively-demanding role.
• James Kelly didn't average 20 disposals until his 7th season.
• Paul Chapman didn't average 20 disposals until his 7th season.
• Joel Corey didn't average 20 disposals until his 6th season.
• Gary jnr didn't average 20 disposals until his 6th season.

Have some patience.

That's all well and good but parfitt is horrid will ball in hand. Maybe its better of he gets less touches

 

[foodles05]

Joel Selwood is also a one-paced mid. Just had something intangible.

Lachie Neale is a fairly small mid.

They can make it, but they have to be the hardest worker in that room and have great football skills.

Well I think my point was that if you are those things then you need to be one right out of the box but I guess you just made it for me. Also Joel was definitely not one paced when he came in. He was a junior athletics star and a state 400m champ. Wash your mouth out and choose J Bartel if you are trying to make that point.

 

[Turbocat]

Harvey Harrison (181cm, 71kg) from SA is an interesting one. He just won the 20m sprint at the SA combine (2.85s), came 4th in the 2km time trial (6:37) and 3rd in the standing vertical (70cm).

Had some enormous games in the SANFL U19s for North Adelaide:
R2: 31 disposals, 7 tackles, 6 clearances, 1 goal, 5 behinds
R7: 26 disposals, 9 tackles, 8 clearances, 4 goals
R9: 32 disposals, 3 tackles, 6 clearances, 2 goals

By all reports he didn't get much of a run at the champs. He was emergency for the first game, and when he did play he was stationed up forward. Match reviews say he has damaging skills and works hard defensively. He doesn't feature in any phantom drafts so he could be a late value pick.

Skip to the 50sec mark of the below.

I wonder about some guys how they will go in a more congested field...at least the kid has pace and stamina.

 

[foodles05]

I wonder about some guys how they will go in a more congested field...at least the kid has pace and stamina.

No he wins it in the contest as well. I have watched a lot of him this year and would love to pick him up with one of our later picks. He's seriously blessed athletically but just needs to tidy up his kicking occasionally. Not a big issue for mine though because I quite like his kicking technique. It's more he just needs to learn to slow down at the point of disposal and show a bit more composure but I'm confident that comes with experience.

 

[foodles05]

Really strong running for that goal - impressive. Absolute mongrel kick with the first clip of his kicking at 52 seconds or so though, haha.

That's not even close to the most damaging running stuff he did this year. He went the length of the ground running a getting it back and kicked a goal. It was literally a 120m run.

 

[Drunkcat]

Now that Ceglar is a Cat, new possibilities open up.
The thought of any talented player on the list, as a back-up. bothers me.
Especially as there is room for improvement in numerous positions.
With Hendo retired and Kreuger traded CHB needs attention.
Stanley at CHB could be an inspired move.
He has the physical attributes and skills to handle the bean-pole forwards.
He can handle ruck in the D50 and Hawkins in the F50
This reduces Ceglar's workload and allows him to remain as a midfield marking target
SDK can be eased into the defence rather than too much responsibility too soon.

You are way off with Holmes if you watched the VFL games he has footy smarts, Was his first year in the AFL give the kid a break it was nerves getting to him you just wait and watch this kid in 3 or 4 years

 

[Vdubs]

I'm against initiating draft pick only trades on principal. You see teams either paying a principal or gambling for little gain with a huge potential to be burnt. facilitating other teams desires seems to be much more profitable

nice use of the word principal.

Already shown a vast list of midfielders who are doing both so for me it is a cop out.

Secondly, can I borrow you anytime someone talks down Blicavs? You know high B&F finishes and all.

Agree about Blic, disagree about Parfitt. He is like CGuthrie- all the gifts but storing them up while being used differently for the team.

 

[Shadow89]

That's not even close to the most damaging running stuff he did this year. He went the length of the ground running a getting it back and kicked a goal. It was literally a 120m run.

Noiice!

Wouldn't mind him at our Pick 43ish as a Wells smokey. Or even better, as a rook as he hasn't got much of a mention on any of the Phantoms

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Now that Ceglar is a Cat, new possibilities open up.
The thought of any talented player on the list, as a back-up. bothers me.
Especially as there is room for improvement in numerous positions.
With Hendo retired and Kreuger traded CHB needs attention.
Stanley at CHB could be an inspired move.
He has the physical attributes and skills to handle the bean-pole forwards.
He can handle ruck in the D50 and Hawkins in the F50
This reduces Ceglar's workload and allows him to remain as a midfield marking target
SDK can be eased into the defence rather than too much responsibility too soon.

honestly throw SDK to the wolves... its his third pre season in the system, if his good enough, its time to join the big stage.

Let the experienced heads around him help play a supporting role and come over the top.

he can also be played on smaller players, as he is agile and quick for his height, and can be used as that floating intercept marker down back... think he could really cause headaches in this role for opposition as the floating interceptor ( aka lever style role).

Am looking forward to his presence down back as surely he is now a lock in our defense... will be suprised if they don't play him

 

[geelong_crazy26]

At the same age:

Name	Age	Season	Games	Kicks	Handballs	Disposals	Marks	Goals	Behinds	Tackles	Hitouts	Frees For	Frees Against
Brandan Parfitt	23yr 5mth	2021	23	9.8	9	18.8	1.4	0.3	0.3	5.6	0	1.5	1.3
James Kelly	Turned 23 in 2006	2006	15	8.9	7.9	16.9	3.2	0.5	0.1	2.7	0.1	0.5	0.7

brilliant.... people tend to have short memories of how our premiership stars were actually rated earlier in their careers prior to 07.

many on here used to call almost the overwhelming majority of them B graders with poor skills and only Ablett as a potential A grader, but was considered a HFF with a small tank.

St kilda were considered the cream talented young side and superior to geelong and were all the buzz and hype upcoming, not us.

it can take time for these kids (24-27 years of age) to really shine and mould into the player they should be.