Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[BigCat1]

We traded 29 year old Fort for Ceglar + Early Future 4th. And Haw is paying most of it. Yep and the slightest downgrade of #41 to #45.

Its a nothing trade and not worth losing sleep over but which clubs not doing that trade?

Fort has played 8 games and turns 29. He would have been delisted had he not had a contract. To get Ceglar who is a similar age and a future 4th is more than fine

 

[Drunkcat]

No idea. but they will play him. ...

id guess Sav

Ceglar is better than Sav at everything, can play Stanley and Ceglar in same side

 

[catempire]

recruiting him was strange...so they will keep the ball bouncing I think

Most obvious interpretation is replacing Fort with Ceglar so we won’t see him often.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I think both Collingwood and Bulldogs are set for points, don't think they'd trade down for points unless they get caught out with a pick 1 bid.

Dogs will want 2-300 points more in case gws bid on darcy.
Pies will want more points so they have enough left over after daicos to match dib without going into deficit.
So i reckon 23 and 27 are gettable for the right offer.

 

[Shadow89]

When first reported they did say pick 50 to the hawks

Cheers! I thought I was going crazy! They did the same last year with not acknowledging the two futures coming back until late in the piece as well.

Hawks got absolutely rolled on that one. We'll end up with Pick 44, Ceglar and 200K of his salary paid, for a Pick in the 50's next year from Brissie. That's even better than I thought it would be!

 

[tielgaz]

I could be wrong but didn't we have 41 and not 50 from the Krueger trade

41 Part of the Ceglar trade

 

[Lana]

The system is designed to give picks back.
It will happen, it always does

I'll give an example

Collingwood has picks
27
36
46
48
55
58

Scenario 1 - current situation

Lets say they match a bid at pick 2 which is for 2014 points

Which would be matched with picks 27,36,46,48,55 totalling 2045 points

Which gives them pick 2 and pick 71 with the remaining 31 points So their draft hand is

Picks 2, 54 and 71

Scenario 1 -Geelong trades up

lets say Collingwood decide to trade pick 27 to us for picks 34 and 50 which gives them another 100 or so points

They now match the bid with 34,36,46,48,50,55 totalling 2157

Which gives them pick 2 and pick 61 with the remaining 143 points

Picks 2,54 and 61

Given that the draft is unlikely to last 70 live picks the gaps between the two scenarios is pretty minimal for Collingwood. While we get an actual boost in the 20s

 

[Hamingja]

I could be wrong but didn't we have 41 and not 50 from the Krueger trade

Yes. But then 41 went to Brisbane with Fort for 50 and their future third.

 

[Turbocat]

Most obvious interpretation is replacing Fort with Ceglar so we won’t see him often.

just have to wait I guess.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Im sad to lose clark but 5 picks inside 50 (pending other pick trades) and an extra r3 and r4 upgrade next year is a great hand. Plus we got a upgrade on our backup ruck.
If we can add stengle and a key defender as a dfa or a rookie and draft well its a good result.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I think for Collingwood and Bulldogs to trade out 23 and 27 they will want a similar pick this year and a pick for next year that won't get swallowed up in points.

Could we offer

Collingwood pick 32 and future 3rd for 27

Bulldogs Pick 30 and future 3rd Carlton for 23

Will give us picks 22,23,27,34,50

The cost might be prohibitive as they want more points this year to match bids and still get to pick up a player in the late 40's.
Sometimes letting them hold on to them helps us as well.
Picks 23-27 allows our 30 to move to 28 and then 32 goes to 30 and so on. With 50 coming into 42 as there are 8 picks involved from 23-48.
Interesting times.

 

[calder_daddy]

I'll give an example

Collingwood has picks
27
36
46
48
55
58

Scenario 1 - current situation

Lets say they match a bid at pick 2 which is for 2014 points

Which would be matched with picks 27,36,46,48,55 totalling 2045 points

Which gives them pick 2 and pick 71 with the remaining 31 points So their draft hand is

Picks 2, 54 and 71

Scenario 1 -Geelong trades up

lets say Collingwood decide to trade pick 27 to us for picks 34 and 50 which gives them another 100 or so points

They now match the bid with 34,36,46,48,50,55 totalling 2157

Which gives them pick 2 and pick 61 with the remaining 143 points

Picks 2,54 and 61

Given that the draft is unlikely to last 70 live picks the gaps between the two scenarios is pretty minimal for Collingwood. While we get an actual boost in the 20s

Thanks for the summary, defiantly understand it better now from that

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Im sad to lose clark but 5 picks inside 50 (pending other pick trades) and an extra r3 and r4 upgrade next year is a great hand. Plus we got a upgrade on our backup ruck.
If we can add stengle and a key defender as a dfa or a rookie and draft well its a good result.

Adding the Schlong or even Talia would be ideal.

 

[BigCat1]

For 'yo lazy ass

So given that it's been confirmed it's our Future 4th and not the Hawks - that's much better.

This is the state of play as things stand right now (correct me if I get anything wrong):

OUT: Clark, Kreuger, Fort, Pick 55, Brownless (delisted rookie), Taheny (delisted senior), Jarvis (delisted senior) Jenkins (retired), Hendo (retired rookie), Okunbor Cat B (retired)

IN: Pick 22, Future 3rd (Carlton), Future 3rd (Brisbane) Ceglar (200K of salary paid), Stengle (when we take him as a DFA)

Constable likely to be delisted and taken as a rookie at best. So leaves us with 5 senior spots, 2 rookie spots and 1 Cat B. If we upgrade Close and Atkins, that makes it 3 Senior spots and 4 rookie spots, along with 1 Cat B.

We currently have in this draft:

Pick 22, Pick 30, Pick 32, Pick 34

If we can combine 34 and 32 and get up to 23, then we would have 3 picks, and most likely upgrade Atkins and Close. If we can get Schlensog to commit to us, we can take him as a rook (as Richmond won't touch him if he wants us), and possibly Brander through the Rookie draft (again if he says he wants to come to us). Get McLachlin and another Geelong boy with our last 2 rookie spots, and call it a day!

Mate I know you are wedded to this idea but why would the club trade in and not use that pick given it comes into #45.

There is just no need to upgrade Close or Atkins or both this year. From a salary cap perspective and surely it’s logical to take as many high picks as possible when you have them.

I’d have no issue trading 32 and 34 for 23 but #45 is definitely in play no matter what we do. I’d punt Constable which leaves 7 free primary spots. 4 or 5 draft picks and 2 DFAs.

 

[gaz love x]

One good thing is that we've got most areas of the ground covered. Good for small forwards and rucks, not much point drafting small defenders or key forwards either. So we can just get a midfielder at every pick we take and hope a couple of them stick. A ready-made key defender would be the other hole in our squad.

 

[Turbocat]

Im sad to lose clark but 5 picks inside 50 (pending other pick trades) and an extra r3 and r4 upgrade next year is a great hand. Plus we got a upgrade on our backup ruck.
If we can add stengle and a key defender as a dfa or a rookie and draft well its a good result.

Now it gets down to what we can get with those picks. I fear more of what we recently have had. If hope we can find one long term player.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

They sacked him, Geelong would only have to give up something if the Crows kick up a stink and request it

The trade period has passed so Crows are evidently just letting him go. He's now a DFA and can be signed once the window opens.

 

[BotsMaster]

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[cats_09]

The Ceglar trade did not include 50.

Given where Brisbane's future third round pick may fall versus where the Hawks future forth may be, could easily be less than 10 picks the difference come the start of next year's draft - not a bad deal for an insurance ruck, especially with Hawthorn paying a portion of his salary

 

[Shadow89]

Mate I know you are wedded to this idea but why would the club trade in and not use that pick given it comes into #45.

There is just no need to upgrade Close or Atkins or both this year. From a salary cap perspective and surely it’s logical to take as many high picks as possible when you have them.

I’d have no issue trading 32 and 34 for 23 but #45 is definitely in play. I’d punt Constable which leaves 7 free primary spots. 4 or 5 draft picks and 2 DFAs.

No I agree, lol. I thought (as Drunkcat confirmed was reported at first) that we'd traded Pick 50 and were left with the Brissie Future 3rd. Given it's the other way around, I have no issue at all with taking what will be 42-44 to the draft, as that is much much better!

 

[Munich]

What happened to Kreuger I thought he was going to be a gem?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Most obvious interpretation is replacing Fort with Ceglar so we won’t see him often.

Then they could have just kept Fort. They didn't want to play Fort but I'm assuming they will be more willing to pick Ceglar.

 

[PeasFC]

If he's overrated and turns out to be an AFL bust, then the 2010s were a disaster for us for early picks. Smedts, Thurlow, Lang, Cockatoo, Fogarty and now Clark. Wells has had an absolute shocker of a decade.

With our late first round selections... absolutely.

But we are talking about the same man who in the same decade brought in parfitt, kelly (AA), c guthrie (AA) in the 20's second round.
And in the third and beyond + rookies - stewart (AA), henry, blicavs (AA), zuthrie, oconnor, menegola, atkins, miers, bews, close, mcarthy, hamling
So it's not a shocker of a decade in its totality.

Hopefully Holmes, SDK & Stephens buck the trend of misses with our first pick.

 

[Lana]

Dogs will want 2-300 points more in case gws bid on darcy.
Pies will want more points so they have enough left over after daicos to match dib without going into deficit.
So i reckon 23 and 27 are gettable for the right offer.

I think they'll prepare for the contingency, have a trade pre-agreed to be done on the night but won't have use it

 

[grum]

I'm starting to think you're a Freo, Hawks or Richmond supporter, with ridiculous opinions like this...

Ask WC if they think we 'rolled over' in the Kelly trade? They're still bitching about it.

We just got Ceglar and half his wage paid, for what will end up being around Pick 44 once bids come in, for a Brisbane Future 3rd - which will likely be 50+.

We got Tuohy a while back for a 3 pick downgrade and Smedts, who we couldn't wait to give away.

We got Ablett for Motlop, which turned into Ablett and Motlop for TK, which turned into JC, Cooper Stephens, Pick 30 and Pick 32.

We didn't get JC for free, but we still got him for 15, 18 and 25, with 30 and 32 coming back (separate deals were 15 and 18 for Cameron and 32 + 25 for Essendon Future 2nd - 30)

But yeah..sh*t we're just terrible at the trade table.

Notable Losses: Smedts, Pick 9, Pick 28, Gore, Pick 17, Pick 19, Smedts, Fogarty, Motlop, Clark

Notable Gains: Cameron, Ablett+TK, Dangerfield, Tuohy, Henderson, Higgins, Pick 16 (Stephens), Pick 22, Pick 30, Pick 32, Pick 22 - and whatever other little trades we did along the way

Oh yeah, just awful

We only got 2yrs out of kelly , remember they offered a 4yr 800k deal for an inform young mid, what did those late first rounders add up 2 be.
If your going to throw stones about who i support because i have a different opinion thats up 2 you, your opinions have merit, but i don't see
as being win trades, we got who wanted to come but paid 1st rounders for nearly all of them, seconds back are sometimes ok for a player, but a lot
of them are misses too. Not seeing the wins you are, cameron will be no doubt if he is fit, but we paid for restricted fa as much as what we got 4 kelly.